Use of Johnson & Johnson COVID Vaccine is Paused

Taodeching · Apr 13, 2021

Since J&J Vaccine has a dubious orgin with aborted babies it is good it's paused. I had PFizer

pgp_protector · Apr 13, 2021

So with the Vaccine the odds of getting blood clots is around one in a million, what's the default normal odds?

Jaxxi · Apr 13, 2021

JustSomeBloke said:
Covid: UK may approve one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine suspended by US FDA over blood clot fears | Daily Mail Online

The six women who developed clots – representing a rate of around one in a million – were aged between 18 and 48; one of them died and another is in hospital, the New York Times reports.

Thrombosis seems to be a common side effect with these COVID vaccines. The stated rate may only be one in a million, but I expect that will turn out to be under-reported.

And the vaccine is reportedly not even close to 100% effective at stopping infection. So by extension, recipients can probably still transmit the virus to others.

Clinical trials suggest the vaccine offers 100 per cent protection from severe Covid leading to hospitalisation or death, and around 66 per cent protection from mild infection.

So what exactly is the benefit to healthy young people, with no underlying health issues, who have a negligible risk of being hospitalised or dying of COVID? Why do these people need protecting from a 'mild infection'. Why not just let their God-given immune system do its job, and stop interfering?

Who is going to argue that this is scary? They do not know what they are doing yet with this vaccine and I do not think people should be pressuring others when there is reason for concern. It has been over a year and social distancing and mask wearing has worked fine for me up until now. Why subject myself to blood clots just so that others will feel better about their choice to get vaccinated? I don't see the benefit of that. If one of those blood clots gets to your heart and you die, these people still won't say your death was from the vaccine. I think the problems with the vaccines are being covered up, and it is much bigger than this 6 people being reported.

And for the record, conspiracy theories are just crimes with tons of evidence and proof committed by people who no one can seem to bring to justice.

Danthemailman · Apr 13, 2021

CDC investigating death possibly connected to Johnson & Johnson vaccine

CDC investigating death possibly connected to Johnson & Johnson vaccine

JM · Apr 13, 2021

I simply cannot decide which one to get so I'm going to get them all.

VladTheEmailer · Apr 13, 2021

JustSomeBloke said:
Covid: UK may approve one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine suspended by US FDA over blood clot fears | Daily Mail Online

The six women who developed clots – representing a rate of around one in a million – were aged between 18 and 48; one of them died and another is in hospital, the New York Times reports.

Thrombosis seems to be a common side effect with these COVID vaccines. The stated rate may only be one in a million, but I expect that will turn out to be under-reported.

And the vaccine is reportedly not even close to 100% effective at stopping infection. So by extension, recipients can probably still transmit the virus to others.

Clinical trials suggest the vaccine offers 100 per cent protection from severe Covid leading to hospitalisation or death, and around 66 per cent protection from mild infection.

So what exactly is the benefit to healthy young people, with no underlying health issues, who have a negligible risk of being hospitalised or dying of COVID? Why do these people need protecting from a 'mild infection'. Why not just let their God-given immune system do its job, and stop interfering?

This has affected 1 in 1.1 million people in between the ages of 18-48. Covid 19 has killed about 23k people in that age group and about 1736 people per million overall. Are you seriously trying too argue that the vaccine is more dangerous than Covid itself?

Hmm · Apr 13, 2021

Isilwen said:
Just when I thought I have heard everything! Good grief!

Statements like the one I quoted almost make me not want to be a Christian anymore.

I agree. Things like that make me ashamed to call myself a Christian.

Hammster · Apr 13, 2021

Hmm said:
I agree. Things like that make me ashamed to call myself a Christian.

Seriously?

Hmm · Apr 13, 2021

Hammster said:
Seriously?

Yes or I wouldn't have said it. How does reading comments like the below make you feel? How do you think it would make someone who is interested in exploring Christianity feel?

JustSomeBloke said:
It's also worth noting that totally eliminating disease and death here on earth is a secular view. As Christians we fix our eyes elsewhere.

Hammster · Apr 13, 2021

Hmm said:
Of course. How does reading comments like the below make you feel? How do you think it would make someone who is interested in exploring Christianity feel?

I’m a child of God. Jesus is my king. Nothing would make me embarrassed to serve Him and call Him Lord.

hedrick · Apr 13, 2021

This might be unnecessary, but they're going to check to see if there are more deaths, and prepare doctors for how to check for and treat the clots. I think it's pretty likely it will be continue. Whether people will want to take it is another question. Personally I wouldn't be stopped by a one in a million danger. I'm more likely to be killed on the way to the vaccination site.

But I'm already scheduled for the second dose of Moderna.

Hmm · Apr 13, 2021

Hammster said:
I’m a child of God. Jesus is my king. Nothing would make me embarrassed to serve Him and call Him Lord.

I agree. I am not ashamed of Christ but I always feel I have to say things like "I'm a Christian but I don't believe that..." when I tell secular people that I'm a Christian because of things like this. I totally understand why church membership is declining.

Freth · Apr 13, 2021

You have a better chance at getting blood clots from the Johnson and Johnson vaccine than you do winning the Mega Millions lottery.

According to a CNBC article from January 2021, "To win the money (or a lump sum option worth roughly $716 million), someone would have to beat staggering odds. The odds of winning that jackpot are one in 302.5 million, according to Mega Millions."

I don't like those odds. In the famous words of Lloyd Christmas, "So you're telling me there's a chance..."

Hammster · Apr 13, 2021

Hmm said:
I agree. I am not ashamed of Christ but I always feel I have to say things like "I'm a Christian but I don't believe that..." when I tell secular people that I'm a Christian because of things like this. I totally understand why church membership is declining.

Church membership isn’t a sign of the decline of Christianity. But that’s probably for another thread.

Gregory Thompson · Apr 13, 2021

JustSomeBloke said:
Covid: UK may approve one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine suspended by US FDA over blood clot fears | Daily Mail Online

The six women who developed clots – representing a rate of around one in a million – were aged between 18 and 48; one of them died and another is in hospital, the New York Times reports.

Thrombosis seems to be a common side effect with these COVID vaccines. The stated rate may only be one in a million, but I expect that will turn out to be under-reported.

And the vaccine is reportedly not even close to 100% effective at stopping infection. So by extension, recipients can probably still transmit the virus to others.

Clinical trials suggest the vaccine offers 100 per cent protection from severe Covid leading to hospitalisation or death, and around 66 per cent protection from mild infection.

So what exactly is the benefit to healthy young people, with no underlying health issues, who have a negligible risk of being hospitalised or dying of COVID? Why do these people need protecting from a 'mild infection'. Why not just let their God-given immune system do its job, and stop interfering?

In the old days, they'd let a lot of people die and burn the corpses, end of pandemic.

Of course, with the population today, that would be a bleak picture, and the smell would be stuck in the air for some years.

JustSomeBloke · Apr 13, 2021

JustSomeBloke said:
It's also worth noting that totally eliminating disease and death here on earth is a secular view. As Christians we fix our eyes elsewhere.

Hmm said:
Yes or I wouldn't have said it. How does reading comments like the below make you feel? How do you think it would make someone who is interested in exploring Christianity feel?

I think that you and @Isilwen have maybe taken my comments out of context, or perhaps simply misunderstood. And to be fair, perhaps I didn't explain very well.

Maybe it's not the same in the US, but here in the UK, defeating COVID seems to have almost assumed the status of a religion, to the extent that many commentators have described the UK government's approach as 'zero COVID'. Of course it is an honourable objective to try and extend life and prevent death, but there comes a point where there is almost a denial of our own mortality.

To put what the government is attempting to achieve in perspective, the average age of a COVID fatality in the UK is greater than the UK average life expectancy. Given that information, can you now understand that the UK government's 'zero COVID deaths' objective is verging on a denial that anyone ever has to die? It's also massively damaging, because other conditions that kill people, such as cancer, have been totally sidelined for an entire year.

I don't think that it's un-Christian, or paints Christianity in a poor light, to draw attention to UK government policies that are secular, because they effectively deny our own mortality by implying that life can be extended indefinitely, and death never needs to happen.

I hope that what I have written above is a better explanation of my position, but I accept that not all will agree.

Jaxxi · Apr 13, 2021

JM said:
I simply cannot decide which one to get so I'm going to get them all.

Oh well there's the worst plan in history! Are you sure you want to do that?

renniks · Apr 13, 2021

JustSomeBloke said:
Covid: UK may approve one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine suspended by US FDA over blood clot fears | Daily Mail Online

The six women who developed clots – representing a rate of around one in a million – were aged between 18 and 48; one of them died and another is in hospital, the New York Times reports.

Thrombosis seems to be a common side effect with these COVID vaccines. The stated rate may only be one in a million, but I expect that will turn out to be under-reported.

And the vaccine is reportedly not even close to 100% effective at stopping infection. So by extension, recipients can probably still transmit the virus to others.

Clinical trials suggest the vaccine offers 100 per cent protection from severe Covid leading to hospitalisation or death, and around 66 per cent protection from mild infection.

So what exactly is the benefit to healthy young people, with no underlying health issues, who have a negligible risk of being hospitalised or dying of COVID? Why do these people need protecting from a 'mild infection'. Why not just let their God-given immune system do its job, and stop interfering?

Good questions.

GOD Shines Forth! · Apr 13, 2021

JustSomeBloke said:
I hope that what I have written above is a better explanation of my position, but I accept that not all will agree.

Your posts are very easy to understand, and also reasonable. IMO!

GOD Shines Forth! · Apr 13, 2021

expos4ever said:
It really beggars credulity to imagine that they are either all wrong or otherwise intentionally try to lead us astray.

It beggars credulity to imagine they are all right. Scientific inquiry IS incredulity!

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