'White Lives Matter' rallies flop as hardly anyone shows up

grasping the after wind said:

Or one could just use Occam's razor and consider the most logical and simple explanation to be the likely true one. Not many people show up because not many are racists.

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A tiny story made into a big story by the dishonest press.

tulc said:

Which is why they usually don't name their rallies like that, mostly they use dog whistle names so people can pretend they aren't attending a white supremist rally. You know, like "Unite The Right!".
tulc(has missed grasping the after wind!)

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That's one heckuva conspiracy theory, up there with the Russia Hoax.

tulc said:

...or it just makes sense that a lot of people don't mind being racist as long as other people don't know they're racist. It's hard to be the hero in your own story when people know stuff like that about you.
tulc(is just sayn')

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They say it's a sign of insanity to know what other people are thinking, just sayin'.

tulc said:

I voted for Ronnie Reagan when he ran against President Ford in the primaries and then I voted for Ford in the election, and Reagan again both times he was elected. That was the last Republican I voted for.
tulc(in case East of Eden was still curious)

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So you haven't voted GOP for POTUS in 37 years, thanks for confirming my point.

People often say racism instead of bigotry. Probably because bigotry need not address race but rather character.

tulc said:

'White Lives Matter' rallies flop as hardly anyone shows up

tulc(thought this was interesting)

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We already know white lives matter as they are part of the term "All lives matter,". Whoever thought this problem was a Cop- black person thing was delusional. This is a " Cop- civilian" problem as I am as white as they come and have been harrassed by cops, propositioned, belittled, had them power trip on me, etc. and I have seen it. They put the uniform on and get cocky with anyone who is not a cop. A few years back I was at an internet cafe next to a Pizza hut at 1pm in the afternoon and it got raided military style with about 15 full tactical swat team officers, guns drawn, get on the ground , paddywagon, the whole 9 yards and they threw a 65 yr. Old grandmother who just had her knees replaced on the ground so brutally because she didnt speak English and she didnt understand the orders. She was unarmed, crying, it was totally unnecessary. I still remember her sitting there crying rubbing her bleeding knees. It was horrible while they strutted around us chewing gum acting cocky. We were on computers. We weren't criminals. The business might have been, but they seemed like a regular business.

Jaxxi said:

This is a " Cop- civilian" problem

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Welcome to the new authoritarian system of the global elite. No one to blame but ourselves for giving our freedoms away. Once again as all through history, bondage has returned and history repeats itself.

BNR32FAN said:

Each situation has its own specific details. Let me explain a situation and you tell me if you think that this might be an example of racism. A black guy working at a concrete demolition company for 2 years has been cutting concrete for 26 years. He’s always on time, he’s very reliable, he out performs his coworkers, he even works a 25 hour shift when asked at the last minute. His supervisor tells him they’re looking for a new supervisor but he needs to have his OSHA 30 hour course so two weeks later he takes his vacation and completes the course on his own time paid for the course out of his own pocket and comes back and gives his certification to his supervisor. A month later his company hires a white guy from another company who is only 24 years old and gives him the supervisor position. Now does that look like racism to you?

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Possible, I would need to know other circumstances.

however let me ask this, what about a supervisor brave enough to openly say “I don’t want to hire anymore black people. Then you see two women, a black woman that had an internship from Nike, a college degree and letters of recommendation from people at corporate level vs a white woman that was a waiter and worked at Sonics as a cashier. The white lady gets hired. How should that be interpreted?

East of Eden said:

I wasn't talking about drug crimes, but murder. Trump tried to reduce blacks going to prison for drug crimes, Clinton enabled that high drug prison rate to happen.



Yes, lots of repeat offenders, but that goes for criminals of all races I'm sure.



What's for poor people? Condado Beach area of San Juan is very upscale, much more so than where I live in the US. This is the problem we encountered: 'Chaotic situation': Puerto Ricans indignant at tourists breaking Covid mandates

Of course NBC put their spin on the story, we didn't hear any locals complain about COVID rules being broken, all complained about the very bad behavior described in the article by US spring break tourists attracted by cheap flights.

"Other videos show disorderly tourists getting into fights, dancing on top of moving vehicles, and destroying private property around Puerto Rico’s metropolitan area, including well-known tourist spots. One of the most viral videos showed a tourist riding a scooter in the middle of a busy highway in San Juan, the capital city.

“We’re seeing a chaotic situation, something we haven’t seen before,” Oscar Medina, a San Juan resident, told WKAQ, the local TV news station from NBC's sister network Telemundo in Puerto Rico. “Most of the tourists in Old San Juan and Condado act aggressively at night, don’t wear their masks and leave their trash behind.”

Another resident who lives across from an Airbnb apartment in Old San Juan, Evelyn López, said tourists staying there often have “loud music, speak loudly and engage in altercations.”

The black lady I described acting like a jerk playing the race card to get out of paying her bill does way more perception damage than any white supremacist.

My grandparents came from Puerto Rico in 1917, their family owned slaves there until 1874 unfortunately. I remember lots of talk about 'La Raza', being 'pure' Spaniard, many there do have some mix to them, probably me included, the funny thing is there is none of the racial animosity you see here.

Agreed race is a European construct, probably due to Darwin, the one who wrote the book on the 'favored races'. From a Christian perspective race is irrelevant.

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I was stating that most black criminals are nonviolent drug offenders. A small portion of the community are involved in violent crimes. Take the largest gang bust in nyc history, there was 126 people arrested, in a community that had thousands. Most people just want to go home and enjoy their community, when you police a majority of the neighborhood as criminal you create distrust. When information is needed to stop crimes police typically target other criminals and not the people that live in the community, both have information. There are people in the community that have killed several people, there are gangs responsible for multiple murders if the police had the community’s support those violent crimes that a small portion of the community commits would be a lot lower, particularly in the inner cities.

I’m not talking about repeat offenders I’m saying there are killers that walk around freely killing people, until eventually the police catch them. Which would be shorter time and less dead bodies if the police behaved in a more professional manner.

It’s a cheap trip, you don’t even need a passport. You typically do not get upscale black people and you tend to deal with people that came from a disadvantaged socioeconomic level.

Why does a woman that behaves in that manner negatively affects the community image? Unless the belief is that black people all act and behave the same, which would have to be defined as racist. An individual should not affect the people that look like them, have the same race or gender, based on their individual behavior, that points to bias. The fact that her behavior does more damage than white supremacy is proof of white supremacy and racism in America.

My father is Jamaican and a MD. I have been to several countries that do not have the racial divide America does. America is one of the most racially self m-segregating industrialized nations in the world. There’s obvious a problem.

Avniel said:

I was stating that most black criminals are nonviolent drug offenders. A small portion of the community are involved in violent crimes. Take the largest gang bust in nyc history, there was 126 people arrested, in a community that had thousands. Most people just want to go home and enjoy their community, when you police a majority of the neighborhood as criminal you create distrust. When information is needed to stop crimes police typically target other criminals and not the people that live in the community, both have information. There are people in the community that have killed several people, there are gangs responsible for multiple murders if the police had the community’s support those violent crimes that a small portion of the community commits would be a lot lower, particularly in the inner cities.

I’m not talking about repeat offenders I’m saying there are killers that walk around freely killing people, until eventually the police catch them. Which would be shorter time and less dead bodies if the police behaved in a more professional manner.

It’s a cheap trip, you don’t even need a passport. You typically do not get upscale black people and you tend to deal with people that came from a disadvantaged socioeconomic level.

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We met a number of upscale black people there, who were probably just as appalled by the behavior of same as the locals were.

Why does a woman that behaves in that manner negatively affects the community image?

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By bringing her race into a situation that wasn't remotely about race.

Unless the belief is that black people all act and behave the same, which would have to be defined as racist. An individual should not affect the people that look like them, have the same race or gender, based on their individual behavior, that points to bias. The fact that her behavior does more damage than white supremacy is proof of white supremacy and racism in America.

My father is Jamaican and a MD.

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A beautiful place.

I have been to several countries that do not have the racial divide America does. America is one of the most racially self m-segregating industrialized nations in the world. There’s obvious a problem.

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IMHO, the problem is race hustlers dividing people and fostering a victim mentality. Jews were every bit as discriminated against when they came here, why are they different today? Note one poll had race relations worse when Obama left office than when he began, despite non stop talking about race and catering to the Sharptons of the world. For Pete's sake, Obama's pastor who married him honored the rank racist Rev. Farrakhan.

One observation about slavery, if you go back far enough in history most people had slaves in their past, it was very common in the ancient world.

Avniel said:

Possible, I would need to know other circumstances.

however let me ask this, what about a supervisor brave enough to openly say “I don’t want to hire anymore black people. Then you see two women, a black woman that had an internship from Nike, a college degree and letters of recommendation from people at corporate level vs a white woman that was a waiter and worked at Sonics as a cashier. The white lady gets hired. How should that be interpreted?

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It could be racism, or it could be a bad experience of a black employee terminated who then played the race card. There have been people terminated because they were Christians who believed in traditional marriage.

Avniel said:

I would say it happens daily across the country. It’s happened to me at least 10 times. 2 of those times were before I grew my locs and a majority of those times was within 5 years after I grew my locs. I would say 6 times the police officers were just responding to the call and knew it was nonsense and 4 of times I was treated like a criminal. As a professional I didn’t make a formal complaint, I didn’t record it and I just wanted the officers to leave as quickly as possible because it was highly embarrassing.

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Thank you for describing your experiences.

I am a white British male living in the UK, and I can tell you that how I present myself has a radical effect on how people interact with me. A few examples:
1. I've had my hair every length from a very short buzz cut all over, to well beyond shoulder length.
2. I have worn a wide range of different clothing styles and head wear.
3. I have driven a car that was almost 25 years old and looked rather beaten up, and I have also driven newer cars that looked OK.

Now, for how people react to me:
1. My experience is that if I have my hair very short or longer than an average male, I'll be treated with suspicion in shops.
2. How I dress also makes a difference, especially head wear. Certain styles of clothing and especially head wear always seem to attract more attention from shop staff.
3. In terms of driving, I was frequently pulled over by the police when driving the old beaten up car, and never, or hardly ever, when driving nicer looking, newer cars. Also, when pulled over I was once asked my job/occupation (a question which I ignored, because it has zero relevance and is clearly prejudicial).

In my opinion, it's a prejudice thing. People reacted badly to my long hair or buzz cut. They reacted badly to my clothing and head wear. They reacted badly to my old, tatty car. Of course it's wrong to be prejudiced, but I think it's natural that the human eye is drawn to anything that looks odd, different, unusual, or out of place in the surroundings. The natural inclination to target people who look different has to be unlearned, but some people never make it that far. I don't think that necessarily makes them evil, they just haven't learned to control themselves yet.

I can also tell you that I live in a very multicultural city with large black and asian communities, and that if I go to some areas, then as a white person I am going to be intensely stared at. Not on the main streets, because there are other white people there, but certainly if I venture into the residential areas around the main streets then it will happen. One time I went into one of the small shops, and the reaction was like an alien had walked in. I don't go in those areas any more. Where I live is white majority, but there are plenty of non-white residents, and I'm sure that no one stares at non-whites like they don't belong there.

tulc said:

'White Lives Matter' rallies flop as hardly anyone shows up

tulc(thought this was interesting)

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Did anyone show up to the kill em all and let God sort em out rally? Re: Matthew 13:24-30.

(I didn't think so)

East of Eden said:

It could be racism, or it could be a bad experience of a black employee terminated who then played the race card. There have been people terminated because they were Christians who believed in traditional marriage.

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Basically what you’re saying is it could be racism or it could be racism. Denying a more qualified individual based on an experience with a person(s) of the same race is racist.

Perhaps but deflection is an argument tactic.

timothyu said:

Welcome to the new authoritarian system of the global elite. No one to blame but ourselves for giving our freedoms away. Once again as all through history, bondage has returned and history repeats itself.

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Sad to think it is only going to get worse. I have always found it wrong on their parts as well for amending the Constitution so much. I dont so much think that we gave our freedom away- as it was an illusion that we were free in the first place.

Jaxxi said:

I dont so much think that we gave our freedom away- as it was an illusion that we were free in the first place.

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Partial agreement but as shown recently we at least still could speak out without being censored or condemned. We have adapted quite well to being constantly monitored for 20 years though. We gave that freedom up to be protected from some enemy that seems to have disappeared and been replaced by a virus. Gotta keep the game from stagnating and finding some fresh way to unite us under someone else's flag..

timothyu said:

Partial agreement but as shown recently we at least still could speak out without being censored or condemned. We have adapted quite well to being constantly monitored for 20 years though. We gave that freedom up to be protected from some enemy that seems to have disappeared and been replaced by a virus.

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That I will say is absolutely true. You mean our censorship as a society? Totally...yet at the same time, television is pushing the envelope so far with the things that are said, implied, and profanity. It shocks me sometimes. Like they will not use profanity but what is bring implied is of such adult nature that it is horrifying to think kids are watching.