Guilty: Verdict reached in trial of Derek Chauvin, ex-officer accused in George Floyd's death

Erik Nelson · Apr 9, 2021

George Floyd recorded as saying he ate too many drugs:

LISTEN: Did George Floyd ADMIT to “Eating Too Many Drugs?”

GreatLakes4Ever · Apr 10, 2021

KarateCowboy said:
This almost made me cry today. I teared up a little.

I've been doing BJJ since 2011. I've trained hundreds of hours and applied and received thousands of choke holds. I'd never seen the video until now, so I assumed that Floyd was on his back when Chauvin was kneeling on him. After all, that's the only way it could have killed him.

Then I saw the body camera footage.

My heart sank and I started to tear up as I realized that this is why America burned to the ground. This is why more than thirty people like David Dorne died in the most destructive riots in American history. Because of something so abjectly absurd and ignorant.

You couldn't get a tap from that on the mat, much less kill a man, with a knee in that position. Much less 140 lb Chauvin on 230 lb Floyd. I'm 6'3" and 230 lbs. I have an intuitive, deeply ingrained, trained-in sense of what it would take for a choke to work on a body like mine.

There's no way on God's green Earth that Chauvin killed that man. The trapezius is a huge muscle protecting the back of the neck. Chauvin would have to weigh 1000 lbs to kill him with that knee. It's just not possible

It had to be the drugs, COVID, or some combination.

'I Believe I Witnessed A Murder,' Witness Says Of 911 Call In Chauvin Case

Eye witness who wrestled in high school and been doing martial arts for two more years than you disagrees with your conclusion.

KarateCowboy · Apr 10, 2021

GreatLakes4Ever said:
'I Believe I Witnessed A Murder,' Witness Says Of 911 Call In Chauvin Case

Eye witness who wrestled in high school and been doing martial arts for two more years than you disagrees with your conclusion.

He's lying.

Flat out. You can tell he's lying for several reasons. 1) the arteries used in a blood choke are in the front of the neck, not the trapz and shoulder blades 2) you need to cut off both sides for the choke to work. 3) a blood choke is a blood choke, not an air choke. 4) there is one weaker, less effective type of blood choke you can do against minor vessels in the back of the neck, but it's done with the shirt collar on a gi, from the front. It wouldn't work with a t shirt. And again, you need to get both sides of the neck. 5) there's no such thing as a shimmy hold. Searching the web only returns results with his use of it. He probably just made it up. Kind of like "hands up, don't shoot" 6) be says "The knee was diagonal across the throat,”. The throat refers to the front of the neck where the blood vessels and wind pipe are. Chauvins knee was across the back of the neck. 7) there's no such thing as a "kill choke", much less THE kill choke

Not a blood choke. Not even a choke. Not a matter of opinion. And I've been doing martial arts since 1990. BJJ since 2011.

And if you don't believe me, then believe the research:

New study: More evidence against the myth of ‘restraint asphyxia’

Overwhelming scientific evidence has found that restraining an arrestee in the prone position does not create an exceptional risk of serious injury or death.

Ed :

Sparagmos · Apr 10, 2021

FireDragon76 said:
If it violated policy, then that doesn't necessarily support the notion that George Floyd's death was about "systemic racism".

Systemic racism doesn’t mean racism that’s written into rules. There are all kinds of systems.

KarateCowboy · Apr 10, 2021

Sparagmos said:
Systemic racism doesn’t mean racism that’s written into rules. There are all kinds of systems.

In abstract systems design something is systemic when it exists in the system regardless of the actors implementing it. In businesses and orgs that means policies, procedures, and programs. When we look at the USA today virtually all examples of that are anti white. Universities have fought tooth and nail to have racist admissions policies. Increasingly we see this on business, churches, and government. For example, the city of Oakland recently announced a relief program for low income families that explicitly excludes the white race. Illegals can apply. White US citizens may not

What you're doing here is a Motte and Bailey. Refer to systems in the general term, and then when it's pointed out that there is none say "well, ANYTHING can be a system", in which case there's no meaningful reason to distinguish between systemic and non systemic.

Don't motte and Bailey. It's a dishonest rhetorical technique

Sparagmos · Apr 10, 2021

KarateCowboy said:
What you're doing here is a Motte and Bailey. Refer to systems in the general term, and then when it's pointed out that there is none say "well, ANYTHING can be a system", in which case there's no meaningful reason to distinguish between systemic and non systemic.

if you want to debate systemic racism, study up on the meaning first because I’m not interested in just knocking down your strawmen.

KarateCowboy said:
When we look at the USA today virtually all examples of that are anti white.

. Then we would see that non-whites have disproportionate power in our society, which they don’t.

KarateCowboy · Apr 10, 2021

Sparagmos said:
if you want to debate systemic racism, study up on the meaning first because I’m not interested in just knocking down your strawmen.

That's my line to you. I've already studied up on it. So feel free to provide the definition you're using.

. Then we would see that non-whites have disproportionate power in our society, which they don’t.

Not necessarily. It depends on which systems are affected, and how. Additionally, systemic changes take time for their affects to proliferate.

Sparagmos · Apr 10, 2021

KarateCowboy said:
That's my line to you. I've already studied up on it. So feel free to provide the definition you're using.

Not necessarily. It depends on which systems are affected, and how. Additionally, systemic changes take time for their affects to proliferate.

I don’t want to debate it. You started this conversation. I’m happy to end it.

KarateCowboy · Apr 10, 2021

Sparagmos said:
I don’t want to debate it. You started this conversation. I’m happy to end it.

lol ok dude. Whatever makes you happy.

Erik Nelson · Apr 10, 2021

Neck compression, even if it occurred, would not have prevented blood supply to George Floyd's brain, overdose on Fentanyl implicated:

BREAKING: Medical Examiner Says George Floyd Should Have Been Ruled An Overdose

Yttrium · Apr 10, 2021

Erik Nelson said:
Neck compression, even if it occurred, would not have prevented blood supply to George Floyd's brain...

Uh, yeah, we knew that already. The issue is asphyxiation, not strangling. This has been mentioned several times.

Sparagmos · Apr 10, 2021

Erik Nelson said:
Neck compression, even if it occurred, would not have prevented blood supply to George Floyd's brain, overdose on Fentanyl implicated:

BREAKING: Medical Examiner Says George Floyd Should Have Been Ruled An Overdose

Are you watching the trial? That’s not the prosecution’s case.

Pommer · Apr 11, 2021

Sparagmos said:
Are you watching the trial? That’s not the prosecution’s case.

He gets all of his news through rumble[DOT]com.

FireDragon76 · Apr 11, 2021

Sparagmos said:
Systemic racism doesn’t mean racism that’s written into rules. There are all kinds of systems.

My problem with the notion is that it seems to be a wax nose and moving target for the latest progressive activist disgruntled with the status quo.

Sparagmos · Apr 11, 2021

Pommer said:
He gets all of his news through rumble[DOT]com.

Naturally.

Sparagmos · Apr 11, 2021

FireDragon76 said:
My problem with the notion is that it seems to be a wax nose and moving target for the latest progressive activist disgruntled with the status quo.

I understand that it’s a broad term. Disgruntlement with the status quo is what pushes us to do better.

KarateCowboy · Apr 11, 2021

Sparagmos said:
I understand that it’s a broad term. Disgruntlement with the status quo is what pushes us to do better.

Very close. Disgruntlement is a disaffection that has given up hope of improvement.

Erik Nelson · Apr 11, 2021

Yttrium said:
Uh, yeah, we knew that already. The issue is asphyxiation, not strangling. This has been mentioned several times.

Asphyxia - Wikipedia

Other causes of oxygen deficiency include but are not limited to:

Acute respiratory distress syndrome
Carbon monoxide inhalation, such as that from a car exhaust and the smoke's emission from a lighted cigarette: carbon monoxide has a higher affinity than oxygen to the hemoglobin in the blood's red blood corpuscles, bonding with it tenaciously, and, in the process, displacing oxygen and preventing the blood from transporting oxygen around the body
Contact with certain chemicals, including pulmonary agents (such as phosgene) and blood agents (such as hydrogen cyanide)
Drowning
Drug overdose

Yttrium · Apr 11, 2021

Erik Nelson said:
Asphyxia - Wikipedia

Other causes of oxygen deficiency include but are not limited to:

Acute respiratory distress syndrome

Carbon monoxide inhalation, such as that from a car exhaust and the smoke's emission from a lighted cigarette: carbon monoxide has a higher affinity than oxygen to the hemoglobin in the blood's red blood corpuscles, bonding with it tenaciously, and, in the process, displacing oxygen and preventing the blood from transporting oxygen around the body

Contact with certain chemicals, including pulmonary agents (such as phosgene) and blood agents (such as hydrogen cyanide)

Drowning

Drug overdose

That's better.

FireDragon76 · Apr 13, 2021

Sparagmos said:
I understand that it’s a broad term. Disgruntlement with the status quo is what pushes us to do better.

And I suppose I am skeptical of the notion of human progress. I just see it as often being a fig leaf for hypocrisy.

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