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Was it a philosophical argument such as the cosmological argument or was it some type of personal experience? or something other than one of these?
So is your answer a philosophical argument?Science, maths, stats and reasoning shows that nothing does nothing, causes nothing etc.
That there is something, the world e live in, the live we have xperience etcit follows that something caused everything.
One may not like the idea of a supernatural being causing creation, but unless one has a valid alternative explanation, one has to consider that the super natural exists and part of that is the existence of God.
Thanks for your comments. When I was a believer I was mostly on the philosophical side but I thought I did have some experiences as well.I went with personal experience. Philosophy is tied up with it. I've tried being an unbeliever as far as being an agnostic Taoist, and at different times was very tempted by atheisms etc. Reading a number of atheist's but especially Dan Barker's testimony and writings. But from experience etc. I am a better person as a Christian. I have a bit of a tendency of wanting to save my own skin, take the easy way out etc. that is best dealt with by Christianity.
1) Basically my Christianity is basically monotheistic Stoic philosophy.
2) But this TED talk video, below, about applying AAA principles to life also applies.
3) Besides this there are some specific points of life where I believe there has been some Divine intervention, or God's hand of Providence at work in my life. These things are important to me, but I can't necessarily claim them on as the norm. Lots of stuff has gone seemingly wrong in my life (hence being tempted by things like Atheisms, Nihilism etc.), but there are lots of Stoic kinds of attitudes in the Bible, especially the New Testament. So I tend to practice my Faith with the saying of some of the famous Roman and Greek writers and philosophers in mind like Virgil's "Be tough and patient some day this pain will be useful to you." etc.
Was it a philosophical argument such as the cosmological argument or was it some type of personal experience? or something other than one of these?
Other: The Holy Sprit. Be blessed.Was it a philosophical argument such as the cosmological argument or was it some type of personal experience? or something other than one of these?
So you were convinced by personal experience and philosophical arguments supported that belief.I started out (edit: in my adulthood) as an existential absurdist. So at first, it was a personal experience. But then I became even more concerned, "How am I gonna explain this to all my atheist friends?" Since I had just converted in the midst of a very progressive social group.
After some serious study, I became even more convinced by the philosophical proofs.
So this kind of thing is why the mods shutdown the other thread. Can you be a good boy this time? I will try too.Good thing too. Because all atheists want to do is make believers cry.
Was it a personal experience with the holy spirit?Other: The Holy Sprit.
Thanks for the explanation.I cast my vote for personal experience, but childhood indoctrination has been important.
When I label myself a "generic theist", it seems I am clinging to the last remnant of Christianity that I have been unable to disprove - a God that hears prayers and cares about people. I've had personal experiences that might seem to give credibility to the divinity of Jesus, but to believe in a divine Jesus is like trying to believe in the historicity of the Torah (Noah's Ark, etc.). So I attribute those personal experiences of Jesus to psychology or possibly a generic God who manifests/masquerades as the native gods of various cultures to better reach those people.
I believe in a generic benevolent God, because I can't disprove it to myself and it gives some hope and purpose. Probably without the childhood indoctrination I would be more of an atheist.
Well actually , God is always personal no matter how He is revealed to us. That being said, I knew my Lord in second grade when I was forced to go into a Catholic confessional for the first time. It was the most frightening experience. Somehow I knew He had no part in this ritual. This gave me comfort and I was able to proceed.Was it a personal experience with the holy spirit?
Because all atheists want to do is make believers cry.
Prove it.
All I told you to do was prove your accusation. Expecting apologists to defend their claims = all atheists want is to make theists cry?You just did.
So you were convinced by personal experience and philosophical arguments supported that belief.
So this kind of thing is why the mods shutdown the other thread. Can you be a good boy this time? I will try too.
Was it a personal experience with the holy spirit?
All I told you to do was prove your accusation. Expecting apologists to defend their claims = all atheists want is to make theists cry?
I agree.I could never remain convinced for long on pure subjective experience. I needed something more substantive, or else I could simply dismiss it as pure emotion, or something else. And so could my secular friends.
Nope.Atheists are never here to discuss anything substantive towards any positive goal whatsoever. They are only here to assert their will as sovereign, suppress all objective truth, and to spread their heresy. The ultimate goal is to deconvert nominal or weak Christians and sow existential despair.
For example, why does Camus have to manufacture a completely circular solution to suicide? Because atheism naturally leads to existential anomie, of course. Atheism is literally the reason why we can't have nice things.
*pointing finger*
And reporting my posts as a group only proves group unity; that atheists are in-fact homogeneous. They cannot collectively claim they are being oppressed, without identifying as a homogeneous group.