What Convinced you God Exists?

What Convinced you God Exists?

  • Philosophical Argument

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  • Personal Experience

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Tolworth John

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Science, maths, stats and reasoning shows that nothing does nothing, causes nothing etc.
That there is something, the world e live in, the live we have xperience etcit follows that something caused everything.

One may not like the idea of a supernatural being causing creation, but unless one has a valid alternative explanation, one has to consider that the super natural exists and part of that is the existence of God.
 
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Science, maths, stats and reasoning shows that nothing does nothing, causes nothing etc.
That there is something, the world e live in, the live we have xperience etcit follows that something caused everything.

One may not like the idea of a supernatural being causing creation, but unless one has a valid alternative explanation, one has to consider that the super natural exists and part of that is the existence of God.
So is your answer a philosophical argument?
 
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I went with personal experience. Philosophy is tied up with it. I've tried being an unbeliever as far as being an agnostic Taoist, and at different times was very tempted by atheisms etc. Reading a number of atheist's but especially Dan Barker's testimony and writings. But from experience etc. I am a better person as a Christian. I have a bit of a tendency of wanting to save my own skin, take the easy way out etc. that is best dealt with by Christianity.

1) Basically my Christianity is basically monotheistic Stoic philosophy.


2) But this TED talk video, below, about applying AAA principles to life also applies.


3) Besides this there are some specific points of life where I believe there has been some Divine intervention, or God's hand of Providence at work in my life. These things are important to me, but I can't necessarily claim them on as the norm. Lots of stuff has gone seemingly wrong in my life (hence being tempted by things like Atheisms, Nihilism etc.), but there are lots of Stoic kinds of attitudes in the Bible, especially the New Testament. So I tend to practice my Faith with the saying of some of the famous Roman and Greek writers and philosophers in mind like Virgil's "Be tough and patient some day this pain will be useful to you." etc.


 
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I went with personal experience. Philosophy is tied up with it. I've tried being an unbeliever as far as being an agnostic Taoist, and at different times was very tempted by atheisms etc. Reading a number of atheist's but especially Dan Barker's testimony and writings. But from experience etc. I am a better person as a Christian. I have a bit of a tendency of wanting to save my own skin, take the easy way out etc. that is best dealt with by Christianity.

1) Basically my Christianity is basically monotheistic Stoic philosophy.


2) But this TED talk video, below, about applying AAA principles to life also applies.


3) Besides this there are some specific points of life where I believe there has been some Divine intervention, or God's hand of Providence at work in my life. These things are important to me, but I can't necessarily claim them on as the norm. Lots of stuff has gone seemingly wrong in my life (hence being tempted by things like Atheisms, Nihilism etc.), but there are lots of Stoic kinds of attitudes in the Bible, especially the New Testament. So I tend to practice my Faith with the saying of some of the famous Roman and Greek writers and philosophers in mind like Virgil's "Be tough and patient some day this pain will be useful to you." etc.


Thanks for your comments. When I was a believer I was mostly on the philosophical side but I thought I did have some experiences as well.
 
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Was it a philosophical argument such as the cosmological argument or was it some type of personal experience? or something other than one of these?

I started out (edit: in my adulthood) as an existential absurdist. So at first, it was a personal experience. But then I became even more concerned, "How am I gonna explain this to all my atheist friends?" Since I had just converted in the midst of a very progressive social group.

After some serious study, I became even more convinced by the philosophical proofs. Good thing too. Because all atheists want to do is make believers cry.
 
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Was it a philosophical argument such as the cosmological argument or was it some type of personal experience? or something other than one of these?
Other: The Holy Sprit. Be blessed.
 
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I cast my vote for personal experience, but childhood indoctrination has been important.

When I label myself a "generic theist", it seems I am clinging to the last remnant of Christianity that I have been unable to disprove - a God that hears prayers and cares about people. I've had personal experiences that might seem to give credibility to the divinity of Jesus, but to believe in a divine Jesus is like trying to believe in the historicity of the Torah (Noah's Ark, etc.). So I attribute those personal experiences of Jesus to psychology or possibly a generic God who manifests/masquerades as the native gods of various cultures to better reach those people.

I believe in a generic benevolent God, because I can't disprove it to myself and it gives some hope and purpose. Probably without the childhood indoctrination I would be more of an atheist.
 
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I started out (edit: in my adulthood) as an existential absurdist. So at first, it was a personal experience. But then I became even more concerned, "How am I gonna explain this to all my atheist friends?" Since I had just converted in the midst of a very progressive social group.

After some serious study, I became even more convinced by the philosophical proofs.
So you were convinced by personal experience and philosophical arguments supported that belief.

Good thing too. Because all atheists want to do is make believers cry.
So this kind of thing is why the mods shutdown the other thread. Can you be a good boy this time? I will try too.
 
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I cast my vote for personal experience, but childhood indoctrination has been important.

When I label myself a "generic theist", it seems I am clinging to the last remnant of Christianity that I have been unable to disprove - a God that hears prayers and cares about people. I've had personal experiences that might seem to give credibility to the divinity of Jesus, but to believe in a divine Jesus is like trying to believe in the historicity of the Torah (Noah's Ark, etc.). So I attribute those personal experiences of Jesus to psychology or possibly a generic God who manifests/masquerades as the native gods of various cultures to better reach those people.

I believe in a generic benevolent God, because I can't disprove it to myself and it gives some hope and purpose. Probably without the childhood indoctrination I would be more of an atheist.
Thanks for the explanation.
 
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Was it a personal experience with the holy spirit?
Well actually , God is always personal no matter how He is revealed to us. That being said, I knew my Lord in second grade when I was forced to go into a Catholic confessional for the first time. It was the most frightening experience. Somehow I knew He had no part in this ritual. This gave me comfort and I was able to proceed.
 
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So you were convinced by personal experience and philosophical arguments supported that belief.

I could never remain convinced for long on pure subjective experience. I needed something more substantive, or else I could simply dismiss it as pure emotion, or something else. And so could my secular friends.

So this kind of thing is why the mods shutdown the other thread. Can you be a good boy this time? I will try too.

Atheists are never here to discuss anything substantive towards any positive goal whatsoever. They are only here to assert their will as sovereign, suppress all objective truth, and to spread their heresy. The ultimate goal is to deconvert nominal or weak Christians and sow existential despair.

For example, why does Camus have to manufacture a completely circular solution to suicide? Because atheism naturally leads to existential anomie, of course. Atheism is literally the reason why we can't have nice things.

*pointing finger*

And reporting my posts as a group only proves group unity; that atheists are in-fact homogeneous. They cannot collectively claim they are being oppressed, without identifying as a homogeneous group.
 
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Some claim that God can be seen through the wonders of nature, yet others through a near death experience.
However, as you attested, it is very compelling evidence that God exists since He raises, gives life to the dead.
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All I told you to do was prove your accusation. Expecting apologists to defend their claims = all atheists want is to make theists cry?

Atheist activists are only here to antagonize religion. The New Atheist movement was only there to proliferate public ridicule.

You can defend your belief in a round earth against flat-earthers all day long, and their final conclusion will always boil down to, "I'm not convinced."

That's not an objective "loss" for round-earthers in any case. So stop pretending like it is one for theism.
 
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I could never remain convinced for long on pure subjective experience. I needed something more substantive, or else I could simply dismiss it as pure emotion, or something else. And so could my secular friends.
I agree.

Atheists are never here to discuss anything substantive towards any positive goal whatsoever. They are only here to assert their will as sovereign, suppress all objective truth, and to spread their heresy. The ultimate goal is to deconvert nominal or weak Christians and sow existential despair.

For example, why does Camus have to manufacture a completely circular solution to suicide? Because atheism naturally leads to existential anomie, of course. Atheism is literally the reason why we can't have nice things.

*pointing finger*

And reporting my posts as a group only proves group unity; that atheists are in-fact homogeneous. They cannot collectively claim they are being oppressed, without identifying as a homogeneous group.
Nope.
 
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