Joe Biden proposals for banning some firearms, high capacity magazines, immunity changes

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What good is gun control by President Biden,
when his own son should be charged with a felony.

How about enforcing the laws we have already.

Lying on the form, omitting drug addiction is a felony
Secret Service linked to incident involving Hunter Biden’s gun – report

Now we learn The laptop definitely belongs to Hunter,
and the details on it are sickening.

Hunter Biden’s laptop was his all along, claims Daily Mail’s forensic expert, verifying drugs, prostitution and inappropriate content pics

All the while The propaganda media are gushing over
Hunter Biden’s new biography, Beautiful Things.
 
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So in reality the average number of women who are murdered by firearm by their intimate partner is around 53 per year.
53 per month in USA.



So in reality you’d have a much better chance at winning the lottery than being killed by your intimate partner with a firearm.
We weren't talking about whether the chance was high or not.
We were talking about whether having a gun at home increases the chances of being murdered. And it does, significantly.

So if you want to make your wife and daughter safer. If safety is the goal, then they are better not to have a gun at home.

It should be put to them as follows.
Having a gun at home, makes it more likely that you will be murdered. So it isn't a matter of self protection. Your liklihood of being murdered is very low, whether you have a gun at home or not and you are better off making sure you don't get a partner with anger issues.

But if you like guns and in particular, if you like them at home, then just be aware of that statistical fact. It makes you less safe.
 
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What good is gun control by President Biden,
when his own son should be charged with a felony.
I don’t follow.
How about enforcing the laws we have already.

Lying on the form, omitting drug addiction is a felony
Secret Service linked to incident involving Hunter Biden’s gun – report
Sounds like a Fourth and Fifth Amendment violation but what do I know?
What caliber was the iMac?
All the while The propaganda media are gushing over
Hunter Biden’s new biography, Beautiful Things.
“The propaganda media” after you linked to the Daily Mail?
Mercy!
 
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Semper-Fi said: ↑
What good is gun control by President Biden,
when his own son should be charged with a felony.

I don’t follow.

The presidents own son lied about his drug addiction,
to attain a firearm unlawfully, and this was covered up.

We should follow the laws already on the books,
in this case hunter should be charged with a felony.

Lying on a Federal Form (United States Code 18 Section 1001)
Under U.S. Code 18 Section 1001, it is illegal to knowingly and willfully make any materially false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or representation in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative or judicial branch of the United States.

A conviction for lying on a federal form is punishable
by five to eight years in federal prison.
 
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Semper-Fi said: ↑
What good is gun control by President Biden,
when his own son should be charged with a felony.



The presidents own son lied about his drug addiction,
to attain a firearm unlawfully, and this was covered up.

We should follow the laws already on the books,
in this case hunter should be charged with a felony.

Lying on a Federal Form (United States Code 18 Section 1001)
Under U.S. Code 18 Section 1001, it is illegal to knowingly and willfully make any materially false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or representation in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative or judicial branch of the United States.

A conviction for lying on a federal form is punishable
by five to eight years in federal prison.
What does Hunter Biden’s life have to do with whether not not Joe Biden (the current President) decides what, if anything, to do about proposing gun laws?
 
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2) The rationale of "it'll reduce the number of times a person can fire the gun before having to reload" isn't particularly effective at preventing the outcome they're seeking to prevent.

Primarily because reloading doesn't take that long...maybe 1-2 seconds for an experienced person, 3-4 seconds for most other people.

So, in practicality, a person with three 10-round magazines isn't really any less dangerous than a person with one 30-round magazine.

I wonder if members of a SWAT team or regular police share your opinion.
 
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I wonder if members of a SWAT team or regular police share your opinion.

"Take the survey just released last week by the National Association of Chiefs of Police. After polling more than 20,000 sheriffs and chiefs of police, the NACOP found that 86.4 percent “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits” and 76 percent believe that “qualified, law-abiding armed citizens help law enforcement reduce violent criminal activity.”

There is probably no group that supports private gun ownership more than the police do.

Rank-and file-police show even stronger support for private gun ownership. PoliceOne, an organization of about 380,000 active and 70,000 retired officers, surveyed 16,000 members on the subject in 2013.

Virtually all of the survey’s respondents said the “assault-weapons” ban, “a federal ban on ammunition magazines that hold more than ten rounds,” background checks on private transfers of guns, and “a national database tracking all legal gun sales” would either do no good or actually cause harm."
Gun Control & Police: Officers Overwhelmingly Support Second Amendment Rights | National Review
 
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Do you disagree that having a standing professional army makes a milita obsolete?

A standing professional army won't come to my rescue when a burglar breaks into my house.
 
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I wonder if members of a SWAT team or regular police share your opinion.

The context of the discussion (between me and other user) was centered around what will lower the body count during mass shooting events.

Once the police responders are on the scene, it's typically the "beginning of the end"...

The majority of the body count happens during the time when the active shooter is alone among the "soft targets".

Once the police (especially SWAT) show up, I don't know that a shooter with 3x10 vs. 1x30 has any sort of real advantage against a trained team of operators anyway, thus the reason why the shooter is usually killed, or commits suicide once they arrive on the scene.

A lone gunman could have a 50-round drum mag at their disposal, if they're up against a team of specially trained operators who show up with body armor, flashbangs, and select-fire MP5's ...their chances are nil.
 
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"Take the survey just released last week by the National Association of Chiefs of Police. After polling more than 20,000 sheriffs and chiefs of police, the NACOP found that 86.4 percent “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits” and 76 percent believe that “qualified, law-abiding armed citizens help law enforcement reduce violent criminal activity.”

There is probably no group that supports private gun ownership more than the police do.

Rank-and file-police show even stronger support for private gun ownership. PoliceOne, an organization of about 380,000 active and 70,000 retired officers, surveyed 16,000 members on the subject in 2013.

Virtually all of the survey’s respondents said the “assault-weapons” ban, “a federal ban on ammunition magazines that hold more than ten rounds,” background checks on private transfers of guns, and “a national database tracking all legal gun sales” would either do no good or actually cause harm."
Gun Control & Police: Officers Overwhelmingly Support Second Amendment Rights | National Review

Irrelevant to the question I asked.
 
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Irrelevant to the question I asked.

To be fair, you didn't officially ask a question, but weren't you referring to what cops and SWAT members thought about assault weapons and hi-cap magazines? The last part of what I posted addressed that:

"Virtually all of the survey’s respondents said the “assault-weapons” ban, “a federal ban on ammunition magazines that hold more than ten rounds,” background checks on private transfers of guns, and “a national database tracking all legal gun sales” would either do no good or actually cause harm."
 
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To be fair, you didn't officially ask a question, but weren't you referring to what cops and SWAT members thought about assault weapons and hi-cap magazines? The last part of what I posted addressed that:

"Virtually all of the survey’s respondents said the “assault-weapons” ban, “a federal ban on ammunition magazines that hold more than ten rounds,” background checks on private transfers of guns, and “a national database tracking all legal gun sales” would either do no good or actually cause harm."

I didn't see the last paragraph. Unfortunately, the "National Review" link to the referenced survey is broke.
 
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Actually, if you review my previous posts on the topic, I'm actually a pro-gun person (I own several, from basic .22 plinking guns all the way up to the dreaded AR-15, as well as being a carry permit holder), but have voiced my position on several instances here on CF saying that I advocate for the Czech Republic model of gun control.
I've just done some quick research on CZech gun position.
Their gun homicide rate is 0.2 per 100 thousand. Same as NZ and way, way lower than USA, so they must be doing something right.

What is the typical push back that you get when proposing the Czech approach?

They do have some restriction on high capacity magazines (recently passed this year)
Gun law in the Czech Republic - Wikipedia
January 2021 amendment of the Firearms Act necessitated by the EU Gun Ban introduced "over-the-limit" magazines, i.e. those holding more than 10/20 rounds for use in long/short firearms. These may be used in a B category firearm subject to shall issue exemption permit; previous owners were grandfathered
 
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We weren't talking about whether the chance was high or not.
We were talking about whether having a gun at home increases the chances of being murdered. And it does, significantly

Not really because both you and the article aren’t considering fact that having a gun increases the chance of being able to defend yourself why is exactly why police officers carry them.
 
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