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Hello Daniel. Thanks for your reply. This is an area I had not considered whether there is a difference between art and inappropriate contentography. Perhaps someone will begin a thread on CF about it, would be an interesting read.

Overall though I think the point can be made that rock and pop stars are perhaps not the best role models.

God Bless :)

When listening to rock music, one is not looking to them as roll models, just enjoying the music itself.

Even people who makes Country Music sins. But, that is not a reason for someone who enjoys Country Music not to listen to it.
 
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What do you think it is a sin to listen rock music and why?

Music or the genre of music itself isn't sinful. It's a sin to listen to lyrics that are hateful or glorifying evil. There is no reason why rock music has to be sinful, just be careful of what the lyrics are inputting into your mind and careful of what you look at. No reason why Rock music can't be neutral or glorifying God. It's unfortunate that this genre tends to lean towards sinfulness, but that doesn't mean it all does or that the genre itself is sinful. There is nothing sinful about musical instruments or singing until someone makes it sinful.
 
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Music is music. The important part is what message the music portrays. For example, the are “death metal”(style with heavy guitar rift and jarring rough changes as well as singers with extremely deep and growls voices) music that have Christian lyrics. Likewise, I recently heard an early jazz song that was a woman singing about her vagina(in explicit terms). The first song is not sinful. In fact, it is praising God. The jazz one, on the other hand, is sinful. It doesn’t matter what genre the music is. There are examples of Godly music and sinful music in all genres.
 
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What do you think it is a sin to listen rock music and why?
Good question. :) I believe it is. I don't believe that ROCK and CHRISTIAN mix. It's either ROCK or it's CHRISTIAN but it's not CHRISTIAN ROCK. ROCK music is of the World and as Christians, we are called to separate from the World. Many don't want to hear that today but nonetheless, it's the TRUTH.
 
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Good question. :) I believe it is. I don't believe that ROCK and CHRISTIAN mix. It's either ROCK or it's CHRISTIAN but it's not CHRISTIAN ROCK. ROCK music is of the World and as Christians, we are called to separate from the World. Many don't want to hear that today but nonetheless, it's the TRUTH.
Ok, so which genres of music do you consider compatible with Christianity? Opera? Country? And with that what makes it not compatible? Rock is a huge genre which covers everything from rap, to pop, to yes death metal. Is it a particular instrument? Electric guitars, a heavy beat? Just curious. Again I have heard heavy metal covers of hymns and frankly obscene earthly gospel style songs. So just curious for you to clarify what is the issue?
 
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Hello Daniel. Thanks for your reply. This is an area I had not considered whether there is a difference between art and inappropriate contentography. Perhaps someone will begin a thread on CF about it, would be an interesting read.

Overall though I think the point can be made that rock and pop stars are perhaps not the best role models.

God Bless :)
Kind of a thin line. Every boy lusted over Madonna. She dressed and acted like a harlot, as do many now. I miss women singers who had class, not just selling thier bodies.
 
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What do you think it is a sin to listen rock music and why?

Music is apparently what Lucifer used to worship the Lord before his fall.
David played more or less what we would call a harp. The psalms are often
song like in their structure.

Campbellites (Church of Christ) refuse musical instruments in the worship of God and even had my mother in tears about going to hell for attending a church that played musical instruments in worship services.

There are without doubt songs of every variety that serve no spiritual purpose, do not praise God, and a number of them are directed at violence towards others (women in rap music to name one)... there are songs I used to love until I actually understood the lyrics to them.

Rock music in and of itself is not anymore satanic than every other form of music. In fact, I believe music that has false lyrics about God is even more evil than songs that outright oppose God. Deception is more evil than outright aggression. I'm thinking of a oneness cult in Austin Texas (which I used to attend for the worship service back in the 1990's until I discovered their false doctrine permeated the music) who had a hand in Revelation Song.

Is there false doctrine in this popular and many-covered song? Not that I'm aware of. But at least one of the artists is a oneness Pentecostal pastor.

Now I believe those who worship God biblically can praise him with this song. So don't get me wrong here. I play the song myself on my acoustic guitar and so/so voice.

However, there are somethings you can't Christianize... George Harrison's "Oh my lord..." clearly Hare Krishna was Harrison's lord.

Don't fear the reaper... highway to hell... etc. They are nixed from my playlists.

But we cannot escape the influences of this world (including the pagan names of the days of the week and months of the year)... the masonic symbolism in America's capital city and on the paper money...

We are to temper all things / season them with the salt and light of God and God's truth.

If rock music is a personal stumbling block then avoid it entirely (as with all other stumbling blocks).

There was a time when I nixed all rock music and listened only to Christian music. Most were blessed tunes I still enjoy. Many were just mainstream wannabes who settled for Christian music because it was the only genre they could break into. The quality of the music and lack of biblical soundness betrays this.

I love to listen to Apologetix (which parodies many Rock tunes with Christian lyrics). Enter Samson is my very favorite (which has a music quality much better than Metallica's Enter Sandman IMHO. And yes, I grew up when Rock was young (1960's and 70's).

There are probably as many country and western tunes I could cite as unbiblical and rock or jazz or blues or classical... so it's more or less a personal (is it for me or not?) thing. Lately I've gone from a revival of Elton John's Saturday Night's alright for fighting to the Stones Can't you hear me knocking?

But don't betray your own taboos on my account.

They aren't taboo to me.

Rock on.

Or don't.
 
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Kind of a thin line. Every boy lusted over Madonna. She dressed and acted like a harlot, as do many now. I miss women singers who had class, not just selling thier bodies.

Um, I never did. Eww.

And I lusted for just about everything that moved in those days...

If we are frank and honest, even if everyone dressed in burkas we'd find a way to lust.
I just Googled burka to be sure of the spelling and there was a photo of a woman in a burka and a very short miniskirt.

LOL
 
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Um, I never did. Eww.

And I lusted for just about everything that moved in those days...

If we are frank and honest, even if everyone dressed in burkas we'd find a way to lust.
I just Googled burka to be sure of the spelling and there was a photo of a woman in a burka and a very short miniskirt.

LOL
You are deliberately missing the point...
 
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You are deliberately missing the point...
no you missed his point. The jazz singers of the 20s and 30s for example dressed in what was considered overly sexy for the time. As an image, they were the ones they modeled (exaggerated) Jessica Rabbit’s look. Men lust in the Middle East where the women are wearing hajibs and burkas and covered with enough fabric that they could double as a tent. How fatback do we have to go to get to the “class” you are talking about?
 
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If we are frank and honest, even if everyone dressed in burkas we'd find a way to lust.
I just Googled burka to be sure of the spelling and there was a photo of a woman in a burka and a very short miniskirt.

LOL
That wasn't a burqa.
 
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Good question. :) I believe it is. I don't believe that ROCK and CHRISTIAN mix. It's either ROCK or it's CHRISTIAN but it's not CHRISTIAN ROCK. ROCK music is of the World and as Christians, we are called to separate from the World. Many don't want to hear that today but nonetheless, it's the TRUTH.

That truth is incredibly hard to support, particularly given the hundreds of songs in the rock (style) with overtly Christian lyrics and messages.
 
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no you missed his point. The jazz singers of the 20s and 30s for example dressed in what was considered overly sexy for the time. As an image, they were the ones they modeled (exaggerated) Jessica Rabbit’s look. Men lust in the Middle East where the women are wearing hajibs and burkas and covered with enough fabric that they could double as a tent. How fatback do we have to go to get to the “class” you are talking about?
How about not putting breasts and crotches on display? How about not imitating having sex in their dance moves?
 
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How about not putting breasts and crotches on display? How about not imitating having sex in their dance moves?
Ok. That fits for shows, etc. I agree that can definitely get excessive. I was not defending it just pointing out that those actions are not limited to rock music.
 
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Ok. That fits for shows, etc. I agree that can definitely get excessive. I was not defending it just pointing out that those actions are not limited to rock music.
No, they aren't. I also think there's a lack of real talent in popular music today, but maybe I'm just old. I listen to the old love ballad from the 70's and some 80 and 90's rock and I just don't know whats out there now that's half as good. There is good music, but you have to search for it. Some of the best voices on youtube don't get radio time.
But I listen to women like Bonnie Tyler and Bonnie Rait and I know they weren't angels, but they weren't rolling in the gutter all the time and they could truly carry a tune.
 
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How about not putting breasts and crotches on display? How about not imitating having sex in their dance moves?

A good point. Some see even the least sexual dance move as sexual...

The Apostle Paul wrote in Philippians 2:12 about working out your own (salvation) was the word used with fear and trembling. Not at all meaning the conditions for salvation but rather the status of your salvation once saved.
  • personal growth in the faith
  • seeking one's own gifts of the spirit
  • performing one's own ministry as a priest of God
  • determining what is and what is personally acceptable in this fallen world
1 Corinthians 10:23 (AV)
23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Bear in mind:
James 4:17 (AV)
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Paul dealt with this in more detail citing the vegetarian versus the carnivore. His comment about weakness is not about being a vegetarian as much as being weakened by the burden of sin rather than accepting more fully that God is not bearing down on us under Grace as he was under Law...

1 Corinthians 6:12 (AV)
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

This is to free us up to serve him in sinful situations (we being sinners saved by Grace rather than trying to overcome sin by obedience to the Law). Read 1 John 1:5 - 1 John 2:17 as a block of text and I would suggest over and over until you get the gist of the saved human condition in this life.

That being said, those who are new with the fulness of God's grace must needs be careful (as Paul said in Philippians 2:12 with fear and trembling) because the tendency for humanity is to go overboard. I am thinking of the former Pentecostal preacher who became a very graphic comedian who has since died.

They may or may not have been a perfect example of 1 John 2:19 (that they never were a believer in the first place) or of 1 Corinthians 5:5 (that God turned them over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh to prevent the loss of salvation).

Grace is not a license to sin. It is a freedom from sin to enable us to do the Lord's bidding in a sinful world while having in ourselves a sin nature ← which we can choose not to imbibe. We can choose the Spirit living within us.

We must also be mindful of our brethren who have lesser understanding of Grace (who eat only vegetables so to speak) not to cause them to sin by going against what they have determined for themselves is sin. Paul addressed this as well about our liberty not infringing on a brother's self determination as to what is sin to him.

When we all get to heaven what a time of rejoicing that will be...

This confusing, complicated life will be behind us. Just keep your focus on Christ in all things.
 
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Nope, listening to rock isn't a sin.

It's also not sinful to go on a picnic, read a book, or brush your teeth. I'm being humorous, but the point I'm really trying to make is that listening to rock music isn't any different than something else equally as innocuous--like brushing your teeth or going on a picnic.

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Ok, so which genres of music do you consider compatible with Christianity? Opera? Country? And with that what makes it not compatible? Rock is a huge genre which covers everything from rap, to pop, to yes death metal. Is it a particular instrument? Electric guitars, a heavy beat? Just curious. Again I have heard heavy metal covers of hymns and frankly obscene earthly gospel style songs. So just curious for you to clarify what is the issue?

I'm probably more old-fashioned than many, but I don't like the modern music sung at most churches - I like old-fashioned HYMNS.
 
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