Now non-white people can be white

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If it is said someone or something has a history of, whatever, then that is something that person or thing has done or demonstrated or whatever in the past - a history of. It is not an all encompassing statement. I am assuming you know that.

Again....white supremacy is an ideology.

We can talk about the history of the ideology.

We can talk about the history of the US.

Which is it?
 
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Again....white supremacy is an ideology.

We can talk about the history of the ideology.

We can talk about the history of the US.

Which is it?

The term white supremacy encompasses a variety of things, from the most overt pronouncements and antics of the KKK to the basic notion that people who aren’t white come second, which has dominated much of US history. You keep trying to derail into the limited scope of what you are comfortable discussing, i.e, to your mind, ‘proving’ whatever your points are. This however is a discussion of the content of an article you continue to pretend you are unable to understand. This is a useful tactic I suppose if in some way you find yourself unable to engage honestly in discussion, but I fail to see any point in it beyond petty point scoring over trivial quibbles with wording, which is in any case perfectly understandable. If all you want to do is, for reasons of your own, point out that conflict between people who look different to each other is nothing new, then please go ahead and get it out of your system. Then we can get back to what the person in the article has to say, and then perhaps on to what application is does or doesn’t have.
 
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The lady in the article sounds like she's suffering from projection and or wants to control how people of color think.

That's not uncommon among some American progressive liberals. The meme "black and brown people" being the perfect example of that sort of thing, as if disparate and complicated racial and ethnic identities could ever be reduced to such a simple political category.
 
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Whites are a minority. Albinos are white. I'm a Caucasian.

"Caucasian" is 19th century pseudoscience. The peoples of Europe aren't monolithic. For instance, according to 23andMe, I have some Arab/North African DNA, even though my ancestors are from Ireland and Germany.
 
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The Greater Caucasus region is where Caucasians — true Caucasians — call home. People from Georgia, Russia, Azerbaijan and Armenia hail from the area. FREEWORLDMAPS.NET

Well, my point isn't that I'm from Caucasus, but that my skin color is not white. Snow is usually white. Asians aren't yellow, and native Americans aren't red. And not all African Americans are black. And, btw, not all southerners are rednecks.
 
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membership of actual white supremacist groups and the influence of these groups in some historical events is also a feature of US history
Abraham Lincoln, not Jefferson Davis, was President

FDR, not Hitler, was President

You cannot (legitimately) paint millions of ethnically white Americans with a single galaxy-wide broad brush stroke (of your particular choosing)

While you're fixating on a few alleged "KKK members", millions of Americans are giving more money to charity than any other country in the history of earth...

you notice (all of) them?

Cherry picking facts to suit narratives is force-fitting facts to propaganda, not following the facts to the truth
 
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The term white supremacy encompasses a variety of things,

It's an ideology.

If you want to redefine it....do so. Keep in mind the definition should provide a better understanding of the term, not a worse one.

You keep trying to derail into the limited scope of what you are comfortable discussing, i.e, to your mind, ‘proving’ whatever your points are. This however is a discussion of the content of an article you continue to pretend you are unable to understand. This is a useful tactic I suppose if in some way you find yourself unable to engage honestly in discussion, but I fail to see any point in it beyond petty point scoring over trivial quibbles with wording, which is in any case perfectly understandable. If all you want to do is, for reasons of your own, point out that conflict between people who look different to each other is nothing new, then please go ahead and get it out of your system. Then we can get back to what the person in the article has to say, and then perhaps on to what application is does or doesn’t have.

Ad hominem. Just fyi, I dismiss any personal attacks.

Do you want to discuss the topic or not?

I said that she was attempting to characterize history as white supremacist....you appear to agree.

We can move on to explain why you're wrong.....or you can keep trying to explain yourself better.
 
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That optimistic button isn’t near big enough.

If we look at history....early settlers don't talk about being white. The colonialists don't really talk about themselves as white.

It's far more realistic that the important part of their identity was their former nation, like France or England, or their religious beliefs....which they spoke about a lot. White rarely comes up outside of a few circles in the tiny scientific community and those primarily concerned about slavery.

That's not to say they didn't hold racist beliefs. They certainly did. In fact, so did everyone. We could even characterize some of these racist beliefs as white supremacist even though they don't really form an ideology.

I can understand that. To say those beliefs motivated most things is not something anyone has actually proven.....it's just a broad false generalization.

We can, for example, look at Jefferson's argument for breaking the treaty with whatever tribes prior to the Lousiana purchase. France claimed ownership of those lands, and Jefferson speaks mostly of his concerns about Napoleon actually securing them.

He's talking mostly about what would happen if the greatest general in history showed up on tribal land. He concluded....they'd be wiped out. He chose to pressure Napoleon by increasing American presence in the area and pushing for a sale of the territory.

Did he break the treaty? Yup. Did he have reasons that are self serving? Sure. There's valid debate over motives.

The point is it's complex. You're rarely going to find pure racist hate as the motive for any large scale action in history. The move westward was driven heavily by concerns about European nations....which makes a lot of sense.

One of the oddities is around the time we were destroying the Comanche tribe....arguably the most violent tribe we fought....we started a propaganda campaign to repaint the natives as these peaceful and noble stewards of the land. It was born out of a genuine concern they would be removed entirely. It was a fabrication of racist white people.....and it still exists today.

You ever see that commercial of the guy littering and the native American guy who has the single tear?
 
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It's an ideology.

If you want to redefine it....do so. Keep in mind the definition should provide a better understanding of the term, not a worse one.



Ad hominem. Just fyi, I dismiss any personal attacks.

Do you want to discuss the topic or not?

I said that she was attempting to characterize history as white supremacist....you appear to agree.

We can move on to explain why you're wrong.....or you can keep trying to explain yourself better.

Explaining why your posts have nothing to do with the topic is not an ad hom, as you know, nor is pointing out your penchant for pigeon chess. These are observations based on your basic refusal to engage with reality, to just read some plain English and respond to it. Well, you win - you have thoroughly proven that trying to engage you in a reasonable conversation is a complete waste of time. Well done!
 
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Explaining why your posts have nothing to do with the topic is not an ad hom,

You addressed me instead of what I posted.

You can claim it wasn't negative if you want... but you avoided addressing the post.

as you know, now is pointing out your penchant for pigeon chess. These are observations based on your basic refusal to engage with reality, to just read some plain English and respond to it.

Ad hominem.

Well, you win - you have thoroughly proven that trying to engage you in a reasonable conversation is a complete waste of time. Well done!

And ad hominem.

When faced with logic you resort to personal attacks.

Predictable.
 
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Abraham Lincoln, not Jefferson Davis, was President

FDR, not Hitler, was President

You cannot (legitimately) paint millions of ethnically white Americans with a single galaxy-wide broad brush stroke (of your particular choosing)

While you're fixating on a few alleged "KKK members", millions of Americans are giving more money to charity than any other country in the history of earth...

you notice (all of) them?

Cherry picking facts to suit narratives is force-fitting facts to propaganda, not following the facts to the truth

Erm you just cherry picked what you wanted to respond to. You could try reading what you reply to first.
 
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