The Parousia of Antichrist

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The Word -GOD- says that He will send them- i.e. to the people of Israel - STRONG DELUSION that they believe a lie -believe in Satan, the Dragon, the Beast of earth who has two horns like a lamb and he speaks as a Dragon-actually their own false messiah (earth is Israel), in fact an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist false messiah, that they all might be DAMNED who believed not the Truth - believed not in JESUS as is written in John 5:v.43 to 47 -, but had pleasure in unrighteousness -2 Thessalonians 2:v.11-12.
Oseas, the strong delusion is not to Israel, but to them who will believe the Antichrist's claim of having achieved God-hood.
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The second beast calls fire down from heaven, like Elijah did. The second beast is the false prophet, a false Elijah, not a messiah to Israel.
 
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data is just another word for information.

False.

"The terms "data" and "information" are sometimes misinterpreted as referring to the same thing. However, they are not the same.

Data is a collection of values. Those values can be characters, numbers, or any other data type. If those values are not processed, they have little meaning to a human. Information is data that was processed so a human can read, understand, and use it."
 
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False.

"The terms "data" and "information" are sometimes misinterpreted as referring to the same thing. However, they are not the same.

Data is a collection of values. Those values can be characters, numbers, or any other data type. If those values are not processed, they have little meaning to a human. Information is data that was processed so a human can read, understand, and use it."
No one uses the term data in bible prophecy discussions, so it really doesn't matter anyway. Have you ever heard anyone here - before the term appeared in this thread by Chi's posts - use the term "data" your whole time of being here, in a bible prophecy discussion?

Definition of DATA

from Merriam Webster dictionary -

Definition of data
1 : factual information (such as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation

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From web search on data... information is one of the synonyms.

synonyms:
facts · figures · statistics · details · particulars · specifics · features · information · evidence · intelligence · material · background · input · proof · fuel · ammunition · statement · report · return · dossier · file · documentation · archive(s) · info · gen · dope · lowdown · deets
 
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Yes. Daniel was writing about Israel among many nations to come.
I agree. But there are distinctive differences between the beasts of Daniel and that of the Revelation. The difference is that the point of view of a jew vs Christian. The letters to the 7 churches are an indication of the intended audience. Daniel is essential to understand Revelation.

Daniel is part of the church, but that point is never pointed out that I have heard. Daniel is not written to OT saints. Daniel is more an autobiography than a prophecy to his people any ways. Judaism or those responsible for the Hebrew Canon argue about Daniel even being a legitimate prophet, due to him being in captivity, and not even in the Promised Land. Although Abraham's inheritance includes all the land west of the Euphrates per Genesis 15:18.

It is also interesting that the Garden of Eden covered most of that same area. Part of Revelation is to the church. The judgments are not. God's promise to Abraham will happen for 1000 years, prior to the church coming down and reclaiming the original Garden of Eden's prime location.
The talmudic opinion is not a good basis of information. As per Matt 15:5-6 "But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition."
The prophecies of Daniel has stood the test of time. That is good enough for me.
It would be nice to see Eden unlocked.

The caveat is that the North Pole is the actual center. There is going to be some major shake up of land at the Second Coming. David in the Psalms mentions the sides of the North and Mount Zion. I don't think that is currently literally in modern Israel.

David is part of the church, but very much still a part of Israel. Many overlook God's Covenants with Abraham and David, and miss out on why there is a coming Millennium before the New Jerusalem is introduced in the NHNE. The Jews go through this end time tribulation. The church does not. Even if Satan gets 42 months some will be beheaded and still end up living in the Millennium per Revelation 20:4. There are some who are not part of the church, Israel, nor chosen by God, who still refuse to worship Satan, but chose death instead.
I think that in Psalm 48:2, the sides of the North is used in a poetic and descriptive way. The Psalm is a song of praise (verse 1) and does not contain prophetic visions.
The judgements are for all. The oppressors and the oppressed. The rich and the poor. The gentile and the jew. The Christians and the christologicals. The mark of the beast is a ticket to death while the mark of the Lamb is life everlasting.
 
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I completely agree with you about the critical path methodology. I personally think every end time scenario, when carefully examined, contains areas that are impossible to support without using speculation. I tend to lean toward the preterits view but I try to not let that detract from how any particular set of verses should be interpreted.
I believe the best parts of Revelation are yet to come. There are many nuances to the prophecies, very deep meanings that need to understood.
 
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You missed the main point of a critical path. It is "event" driven. For example, the prince who shall come shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years). That is an event.

The seventh angel sounding his trumpet - that is an event.

You are using the word"data", i think because that is particular to your engineering specialty. "data" can be anything. data is just another word for information. Good data is factual, bad data is erroneous. Satan, for example is an evil person. That is data. But it is not an event.

I am focusing on events to develop a critical path of events. That's how to develop the bible prophecy end times timeline chart.
I think you misunderstand my usage of data. My data are the verses and the context with which it is used. Data can include events.
The main differences between my method and critical path method is
a) the goal in my method is completely passive. It exists only to be tested. Critical path of events does not because of the second difference.
b) my data is not deconstructed. Separating events from its context generates meaninglessness.

Separation of the event from the context changes its meaning. For example, if H2O (water molecule) is given to you, but you only consider oxygen (O). Does it have the same qualities? If I tell you, it must a liquid in order for the context of H20 to mean something, do you lower the temperature to liquidify O? If I tell you O is unstable and O2 is the natural form, would you add another O - 1 oxygen in my water molecule? What happens to H2 , is it extraneous so you can discard it - what happens to my water?

My method accepts H2O as is. Water.
 
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I think you misunderstand my usage of data. My data are the verses and the context with which it is used. Data can include events.
Then someone could just hand you the bible.

Understanding of the end times bible prophecies, "end times" directs a person to align those events associated with the end times into a timeline. Data is not a timeline, I think you will agree with me on that point.

The events when put together "properly" and in relation with each other gives a finished product of the end times picture. Which, if events were just looked at within the context of a chapter or verse - gives "fragmented" or partial understanding.

The problem with the faulty end times views some have in this forum - and across the broader spectrum - is lack of attention to Ezekiel 39, as the infallible timeline framework for end times events.

If a person wants to collect "data" from the bible to support their end times view, that is all part of the process. But eventually a person has to get to that critical path of events.

Example of "data" not in the bible but pertinent to end time prophecies is Israel a nation back in the land again, May 14, 1948. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

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Here is a video I made on the infallible timeline framework...

 
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Then someone could just hand you the bible.

Understanding of the end times bible prophecies, "end times" directs a person to align those events associated with the end times into a timeline. Data is not a timeline, I think you will agree with me on that point.

The events when put together "properly" and in relation with each other gives a finished product of the end times picture. Which, if events were just looked at within the context of a chapter or verse - gives "fragmented" or partial understanding.

The problem with the faulty end times views some have in this forum - and across the broader spectrum - is lack of attention to Ezekiel 39, as the infallible timeline framework for end times events.

If a person wants to collect "data" from the bible to support their end times view, that is all part of the process. But eventually a person has to get to that critical path of events.

Example of "data" not in the bible but pertinent to end time prophecies is Israel a nation back in the land again, May 14, 1948. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

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Here is a video I made on the infallible timeline framework...



If this was "infallible" you could find someone else on the planet, either dead or alive, who agrees with your interpretation of Daniel 9:27.

Anyone who attempts to disconnect the Messiah's death from the New Covenant cannot be correct, based on Hebrews 9:15.

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If this was "infallible" you could find someone else on the planet, either dead or alive, who agrees with your interpretation of Daniel 9:27.

Anyone who attempts to disconnect the Messiah's death from the New Covenant cannot be correct, based on Hebrews 9:15.

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It is infallible because of the content in the chapter, Jesus Himself speaking in the text of v21-29. Infallible does not mean popular.
 
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It is infallible because of the content in the chapter, Jesus Himself speaking in the text of v21-29. Infallible does not mean popular.
Infallible means incapable of being wrong. The framework you try to say is infallible is something you came up with and is just your OPINION or INTERPRETATION of that scripture passage. That scripture passage is infallible and we all agree on that, but your interpretation of it is not infallible.
 
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Infallible means incapable of being wrong. The framework you try to say is infallible is something you came up with and is just your OPINION or INTERPRETATION of that scripture passage. That scripture passage is infallible and we all agree on that, but your interpretation of it is not infallible.
The important thing to me is that you know about it. Which you had not been challenged with it before I don't think?
 
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The important thing to me is that you know about it. Which you had not been challenged with it before I don't think?
No, I hadn't seen it before coming here to this forum and I obviously know about it now and completely disagree with it (your interpretation, not the scripture you're interpreting, to be clear). Congratulations on letting me know about it, though.
 
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No, I hadn't seen it before coming here to this forum and I obviously know about it now and completely disagree with it (your interpretation, not the scripture you're interpreting, to be clear). Congratulations on letting me know about it, though.
What is going to solidify my overall view to others, I think, is when the EU goes to that 10 leader structure.
 
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What is going to solidify my overall view to others, I think, is when the EU goes to that 10 leader structure.

Futurism is unable to identify "when".
Scripture and history are.
In the 5th century.
Ten kings and their kingdoms arising from the dissolution of imperial Rome.
Consistent with Daniel's record.
 
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What is going to solidify my overall view to others, I think, is when the EU goes to that 10 leader structure.

Friend, forget that foolish view, an old conception and a false interpretation of the false prophets who foresaw the imaginary structure of 10 EU leaders which will never happen. You are believing in lies. It is FALSE, your imaginary conception will never happen because it is a lie. Everything that is false is from the Devil, the father of lie.

Your way of interpreting the Scriptures is disapproved by the Word of God, it is not by revelations given by the Holy Spirit, but conceptual vanities of your deceptives visions within an environment of great darkness and apostasy.

Be careful
or get ready
 
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No one uses the term data in bible prophecy discussions, so it really doesn't matter anyway. Have you ever heard anyone here - before the term appeared in this thread by Chi's posts - use the term "data" your whole time of being here, in a bible prophecy discussion?

Definition of DATA

from Merriam Webster dictionary -

Definition of data
1 : factual information (such as measurements or statistics) used as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or calculation

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From web search on data... information is one of the synonyms.

synonyms:
facts · figures · statistics · details · particulars · specifics · features · information · evidence · intelligence · material · background · input · proof · fuel · ammunition · statement · report · return · dossier · file · documentation · archive(s) · info · gen · dope · lowdown · deets

The terms are frequently synonymous in casual non-technical conversation. However, understanding the distinction between them is essential in the scientific and technical disciplines.

The root words of “information” are “inform” and "form'. Data does not inform. Information informs, because the data has been rendered and processed into a form which informs.

The age in which we live is known as the Information Age.

We have never lived in an age known as the “Data Age”, because data does not inform.

Rather, it is information which possesses the ability to inform.

And to be of usable value.
 
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I think that in Psalm 48:2, the sides of the North is used in a poetic and descriptive way. The Psalm is a song of praise (verse 1) and does not contain prophetic visions.

Hello Chi.C - Greetings in Christ JESUS

In my view, the Psalm 48:v.2 deserve a profound analyse within Scriptures, by which we can discover great revelations mainly about the millennial battle between God and Satan until today or current time.

Let us analyse together Psalm 48:v.2:
2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

The great KING is JESUS, the KING of kings and LORD of lords

Let us compare with what Satan said about the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:v.13-14 - Satan said:
I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (
stars? Daniel 12:v.3. Check it out): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

The old Usurper, I mean the old Serpent, called of Devil and Satan (now, in the time of Apocalypse, his new name is red Dragon), intends to take the place of JESUS, as was revealed to Isaiah and is revealed unto us too.

In the temptation, Satan tried to corrupt JESUS when he took Him up into an exceeding high mountain (I think it is the holy mountain of God - Ezekiel 28:v.14. Check it out), and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And said unto JESUS: All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. JESUS said to the Devil: Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord THY God, and Him only shalt thou serve. - Aleluiaaa! -

Although the Lord JESUS had defeated and frustrated Satan, the devilish objective of Satan continued and yet continues.

When the Devil crucified JESUS and killed Him, from then on the battle between God and Satan took on a new dimension. The spiritual environment now within the New Testament was/ ís very different from the spiritual environment of the Old Testament, but Satan's goal remained the same: He said: "... I will be like the most High". The proof is in 2 Thessalonians 2:v.1 to 17, from these I quote verses 3 and 4 : 3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

JESUS warned: Matthew 24:v.15 to 25 , from these I quote verses 15 and 21 to 25:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any MAN (Pastors, and Bishops, Evangelists, Missionaries, etc.) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Amen

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords
 
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Then someone could just hand you the bible.

Understanding of the end times bible prophecies, "end times" directs a person to align those events associated with the end times into a timeline. Data is not a timeline, I think you will agree with me on that point.

The events when put together "properly" and in relation with each other gives a finished product of the end times picture. Which, if events were just looked at within the context of a chapter or verse - gives "fragmented" or partial understanding.
If you can fit history with all the prophecies. Then you have a winner!
Your critical path method takes the "events" without context, and a new context is applied. The new context is slavishly aligned to your end event (big A Antichrist, 7 year duration, etc ...). This creates contradictions to the Scriptures. As per the Scriptures, this interpretation is false, not just wrong. It is not redeemable no matter what adjustment you may make.

The problem with the faulty end times views some have in this forum - and across the broader spectrum - is lack of attention to Ezekiel 39, as the infallible timeline framework for end times events.

If a person wants to collect "data" from the bible to support their end times view, that is all part of the process. But eventually a person has to get to that critical path of events.
The critical path will be seen when the data is integrated and compared to history/science/metaphysics.

It will never be achieved by reverse engineering from an impossible end state with no rational constraints. The end result will be a collage of biblical truisms tied together with magical coincidences.

Example of "data" not in the bible but pertinent to end time prophecies is Israel a nation back in the land again, May 14, 1948. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

Here is a video I made on the infallible timeline framework...
History is on the left hand side of the equation.
I have watched the video, but nothing resonates with my understanding of the bible. I sort of see what you are trying to say but internal questions become too loud to hear what you are saying.
 
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Hello Chi.C - Greetings in Christ JESUS

In my view, the Psalm 48:v.2 deserve a profound analyse within Scriptures, by which we can discover great revelations mainly about the millennial battle between God and Satan until today or current time.

Let us analyse together Psalm 48:v.2:
2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

The great KING is JESUS, the KING of kings and LORD of lords

Let us compare with what Satan said about the sides of the north:

Isaiah 14:v.13-14 - Satan said:
I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (
stars? Daniel 12:v.3. Check it out): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


I see the "side of the north" as simply as the north side (of Jerusalem). There is no spiritual meaning to the phrase.

The old Usurper, I mean the old Serpent, called of Devil and Satan

(now, in the time of Apocalypse, his new name is red Dragon), intends to take the place of JESUS, as was revealed to Isaiah and is revealed unto us too.

In the temptation, Satan tried to corrupt JESUS when he took Him up into an exceeding high mountain (I think it is the holy mountain of God - Ezekiel 28:v.14. Check it out), and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And said unto JESUS: All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. JESUS said to the Devil: Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord THY God, and Him only shalt thou serve. - Aleluiaaa! -

Although the Lord JESUS had defeated and frustrated Satan, the devilish objective of Satan continued and yet continues.

When the Devil crucified JESUS and killed Him, from then on the battle between God and Satan took on a new dimension. The spiritual environment now within the New Testament was/ ís very different from the spiritual environment of the Old Testament, but Satan's goal remained the same: He said: "... I will be like the most High". The proof is in 2 Thessalonians 2:v.1 to 17, from these I quote verses 3 and 4 : 3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

JESUS warned: Matthew 24:v.15 to 25 , from these I quote verses 15 and 21 to 25:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any MAN (Pastors, and Bishops, Evangelists, Missionaries, etc.) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Amen

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords
Words to live by. Thanks
 
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If you can fit history with all the prophecies. Then you have a winner!
There is no mass grass site of Gog's army in the land of Israel - proving Ezekiel 38-39 has not happened yet.
 
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