Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp Signs Election Integrity Bill

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You still never explained how. Your "E" isn't an example of how it supposedly reduces turnout for dems but not Republicans. It's simply a repeat of the same old allegation.
As opposed to the rigorous data backing up claims such as "Democrats can't stand in line for as long as Republicans can."?

Like I said, I was just following the example of making up random nonsense started in the post I quoted. It is obvious is doesn't go unnoticed, at least when the nonsense isn't baseless GOP talking points.
 
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Well, requiring one show a photo I.D. falls under what you'd call a "minor" requirement.
We could also give basic current events quizzes to weed out people who shouldn't vote - for example, asking if there was significant voter fraud in the 2020 election. Seems like a simple thing for anyone to get the right answer to.
 
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As opposed to the rigorous data backing up claims such as "Democrats can't stand in line for as long as Republicans can."?

Like I said, I was just following the example of making up random nonsense started in the post I quoted. It is obvious is doesn't go unnoticed, at least when the nonsense isn't baseless GOP talking points.

As you may not have noticed, the lines you quoted from my post ended with a question mark, which means it wasn't a "claim". It was a question. Got an answer? (Question mark)
 
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We could also give basic current events quizzes to weed out people who shouldn't vote - for example, asking if there was significant voter fraud in the 2020 election. Seems like a simple thing for anyone to get the right answer to.

:rolleyes:
 
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As you may not have noticed, the lines you quoted from my post ended with a question mark, which means it wasn't a "claim". It was a question. Got an answer? (Question mark)
Might want to notice I put the word perhaps in my response as well before you go too far down this rabbit hole. But I'm sure it'll be different for reasons and such.
 
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Yeah, that looks like a nice metaphor for what happens once GOP talking points leave the echo chamber and run face-first into reality.

Again, :rolleyes:
 
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False on both counts. There was nothing prohibiting their use before, and the state election board approved them for the 2020 election. They weren't used previously because absentee voting was uncommon in the state (less than 5% of ballots). And while the new law does require counties to install drop boxes, it also restricts them - counties can only have a maximum of one per 100,000 people.


We won't know the true effects until the next election, but generally when you restrict access to something or make it more difficult to do, fewer people will participate. That's common sense.

Jiminy Christmas, what's so hard about voting? Good grief you act like it's so difficult and such a hardship. The ballot boxes were not used before. Now they are. It's now codified. And so what if it's only one. Use the flipping mail.

They didn't restrict access by any means. They actually increases it.
 
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Jiminy Christmas, what's so hard about voting? Good grief you act like it's so difficult and such a hardship. The ballot boxes were not used before. Now they are. It's now codified. And so what if it's only one. Use the flipping mail.
You sound angry. Might I suggest taking a deep breath? I don't pretend to know everyone's situation. What seems easy for you or me may be next to impossible for someone else. As I pointed out in another comment, mail is not 100% reliable and there can be delays that may result in your ballot not arriving in time to be counted. Using a drop box, on the other hand, ensures that your ballot will reach election officials in time.

And you still haven't answered the question: Why does there need to be a hard limit on the number of ballot drop boxes at the state level? What does that accomplish?

They didn't restrict access by any means. They actually increases it.
Compared to 2020, access is restricted - at least for counties that employed drop boxes. While it's true that there were no mandatory drop boxes, county election officials were allowed to determine how many they needed. Fulton County had 38 drop boxes in November. They will now be restricted to 8. The drop box that Governor Kemp used in the general election would not be legal, for example. And it affects rural counties too. I can't find the article again, but one election official said that they had five drop boxes in their county (one at each polling place), but they will now be restricted to one under the law.
 
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You sound angry. Might I suggest taking a deep breath? I don't pretend to know everyone's situation. What seems easy for you or me may be next to impossible for someone else. As I pointed out in another comment, mail is not 100% reliable and there can be delays that may result in your ballot not arriving in time to be counted. Using a drop box, on the other hand, ensures that your ballot will reach election officials in time.

And you still haven't answered the question: Why does there need to be a hard limit on the number of ballot drop boxes at the state level? What does that accomplish?


Compared to 2020, access is restricted - at least for counties that employed drop boxes. While it's true that there were no mandatory drop boxes, county election officials were allowed to determine how many they needed. Fulton County had 38 drop boxes in November. They will now be restricted to 8. The drop box that Governor Kemp used in the general election would not be legal, for example. And it affects rural counties too. I can't find the article again, but one election official said that they had five drop boxes in their county (one at each polling place), but they will now be restricted to one under the law.
But just think of how secure the election will be!

Or somesuch.
 
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You sound angry. Might I suggest taking a deep breath? I don't pretend to know everyone's situation. What seems easy for you or me may be next to impossible for someone else. As I pointed out in another comment, mail is not 100% reliable and there can be delays that may result in your ballot not arriving in time to be counted. Using a drop box, on the other hand, ensures that your ballot will reach election officials in time.

And you still haven't answered the question: Why does there need to be a hard limit on the number of ballot drop boxes at the state level? What does that accomplish?


Compared to 2020, access is restricted - at least for counties that employed drop boxes. While it's true that there were no mandatory drop boxes, county election officials were allowed to determine how many they needed. Fulton County had 38 drop boxes in November. They will now be restricted to 8. The drop box that Governor Kemp used in the general election would not be legal, for example. And it affects rural counties too. I can't find the article again, but one election official said that they had five drop boxes in their county (one at each polling place), but they will now be restricted to one under the law.

Why don't you ask the Georgia legislators? I don't know the details and neither do you. Why does there need to be more drop boxes? Why should there be drop boxes at all?

There still is no excuse absentee voting. As opposed to New York.

Like I said you make it sound so, hard to vote in Georgia. It's not, it's a piece of cake. If you want to know why they think one box is okay for 100,000 people just call or write and ask.
 
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Why don't you ask the Georgia legislators? I don't know the details and neither do you. Why does there need to be more drop boxes? Why should there be drop boxes at all?

There still is no excuse absentee voting. As opposed to New York.

Like I said you make it sound so, hard to vote in Georgia. It's not, it's a piece of cake. If you want to know why they think one box is okay for 100,000 people just call or write and ask.
It’s not like any Georgia elections are going to be bound by this law, seeings as it’s already being contested in Federal Court, and the Georgia legislature will quickly find that extending a right is A-okay, but curbing it will likely need more than just a rational-basis (standard of review) to pass muster.
 
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Why don't you ask the Georgia legislators? I don't know the details and neither do you.
You're right, I don't know the details. That's why I'm asking. And I'm asking you because you're the one voicing support for the measure. If you don't know either, then why do you support it?

Why does there need to be more drop boxes? Why should there be drop boxes at all?
Don't care if or why they're needed. I've given some hypothetical reason why in previous posts, but it's honestly irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. What's more important is why there needs to be a law limiting the number of them. If you're going to impose legal limits on something, there needs to be a justification behind it - some problem that you're trying to solve by making that thing illegal. Your argument in this thread is akin to people who argue for gun control by simply saying that they don't understand why you would want or need a gun.
 
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It’s not like any Georgia elections are going to be bound by this law, seeings as it’s already being contested in Federal Court, and the Georgia legislature will quickly find that extending a right is A-okay, but curbing it will likely need more than just a rational-basis (standard of review) to pass muster.

If course it is. I'm not surprised at all there is a court challenge. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 
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Conventional wisdom is that reducing voter turnout (via regulatory measures, at least) tends to favor Republicans. Lower income and minority voters, who are the most likely to not vote when voting is made more difficult, tend to vote Democrat. It's not always true, but it's a belief that's commonly held on both sides of the aisle, and it bears out in most cases.

It might surprise you to know that most black voters are in favor of requiring a voter ID:
Poll: Sixty-nine percent of black voters and 75% overall support voter ID laws
 
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Did I say anything about voter ID?

I just mentioned it because that was one of the things in election security law that is claimed to be so racist against black people. The fact that most of them actually want it is rather telling.
 
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I just mentioned it because that was one of the things in election security law that is claimed to be so racist against black people. The fact that most of them actually want it is rather telling.
Still don't see the relevance to my point. The fact that a majority of people approve of voter ID doesn't change the fact that measures that reduce voter turnout disproportionately affect groups that tend to vote for Democrats.
 
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