Sarah Palin Reveals COVID diagnosis, urges people to wear masks and take pandemic seriously

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I expect you meant 'soared', but that's not what the data shows. Suicides were down in 2020.

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They were probably mostly listed as covid deaths, along with anyone who died from anything but tested positive.
 
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Not true. Many will never come back. And suicide rates soured. And we didn't save anything.

Some will come back. None of the dead are ever coming back. @essentialsaltes data shows your year old talking point about suicides rising is wrong. You have to be disgustingly materialistic to put money over lives.
 
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They were probably mostly listed as covid deaths, along with anyone who died from anything but tested positive.

So on top of believing people are lying to you about mask effectiveness believe that people are lying about cause of death to inflate the covid numbers?

Also that suicides are listed as covid deaths?

To what end would so many people lie to you?
 
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So on top of believing people are lying to you about mask effectiveness believe that people are lying about cause of death to inflate the covid numbers?

Also that suicides are listed as covid deaths?

To what end would so many people lie to you?
I was joking somewhat about the suicides being listed as covid but it wouldn't surprise me.
It's about control.
Keeping the population in fear makes us easier to control.
 
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Some will come back. None of the dead are ever coming back. @essentialsaltes data shows your year old talking point about suicides rising is wrong. You have to be disgustingly materialistic to put money over lives.
It's not about money. It's about people losing everything they worked for. For what? The people that were going to die of covid still did.
The states that didn't shut down are doing fine.
 
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I was joking somewhat about the suicides being listed as covid but it wouldn't surprise me.
It's about control.
Keeping the population in fear makes us easier to control.

What an extreme thing to do for such a vague end goal.
 
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They were probably mostly listed as covid deaths, along with anyone who died from anything but tested positive.

Consider the following numbers:

2015 - 2.69 Million united states deaths
2016 - 2.73 (increase of 40,000 from prior year)
2017 - 2.81(increase of 80,000 from prior year)
2018 - 2.84 (increase of 30,000 from prior year)
2019 - 2.85 (increase of 10,000 from prior year)
2020 - 3.35 (increase of 500,000 from prior year)

Even if we assumed a natural fatality increase of 100,000 per year as a product of an aging nation, we would still be roughly 400,000 deaths above background levels.

And as we go month to month, we continue to see deaths, well above historical quantities, abnormally high. People with alzheimer's are dying in greater numbers. People with heart disease are dying in greater numbers. People with diabetes are dying in greater numbers.

And not naturally greater numbers, they're dying in abnormally and significantly greater numbers above background. And those deaths further are occuring in synchrony with surges of the virus.

By the end of 2020, we saw something on the order of over 400,000-500,000 un-natural additional or excess deaths above background and historic levels.

So it's more than merely saying that people are dying of covid, but rather the number suggest that people are in-fact are dying of covid.
 
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I will not forget how millions of my fellow countrymen so easily conceded all their rights because there was a tiny chance they might die. That's not the kind of people who founded this country. Churches being closed, businesses forever ruined, countless lives ruined. The cure was worse than the problem and it's still going on.

It's not your place to decide the value of peoples lives and what risks are acceptable. People decided that for themselves, and overall they decided not to be foolhardy.
 
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I will not forget how millions of my fellow countrymen so easily conceded all their rights because there was a tiny chance they might die. That's not the kind of people who founded this country. Churches being closed, businesses forever ruined, countless lives ruined. The cure was worse than the problem and it's still going on.

Oh the drama over wearing a piece of cloth in the name of protecting one another. If half a million Americans were killed by a foreign enemy on our soil, would you have the same concerns with citizens complying with defensive measures?
 
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The only way to totally avoid the possibility contacting it is to avoid all people. That piece of cloth isn't going to do anything.

If I were to be standing in front of you and sneezed or coughed, you're saying that that "masked vs. unmasked" wouldn't make a difference?... I beg to differ.

Cloth (even if single-layered) still blocks some reparatory droplets.


I'll grant you the fact that the kinds of masks most people are wearing aren't "100% protection from anything"...but to say that they do nothing at all is inaccurate.

The countries where "mask culture" existed, pre-pandemic, have had a much lower impact from Covid than other places.
 
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Um, no, it was mostly decided for people.

People staying at home and avoiding travel started weeks before the state and local governments implemented any specific policies. That's why government stimulus was necessary in the first place.
 
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Oh the drama over wearing a piece of cloth in the name of protecting one another. If half a million Americans were killed by a foreign enemy on our soil, would you have the same concerns with citizens complying with defensive measures?

It's soft and effeminate logic masquerading as "freedom".
 
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I don't think it works like that. Not being immunised against disease does nothing for the immune system. Having the immunisations has the same effect on the immune system as catching the real disease but with the risk of being ill greatly reduced.

You are lucky never to have had the flu. You may not be exposed to that virus because these days there is a high degree of herd immunity thanks to routine vaccination of a large section of the population.
Well, actually natural immunity does indeed work like that. Here is an example: I have natural chicken pox immunity despite never having had chicken pox in my life. But I grew up in an era where everyone did. When I was around 40, someone close to me got it, so I was told to be titered, due to my age. I was completely immune still, per the titer. The doctor explained that childhood exposure gained my immunity because everyone got it in those days - even if I never got it or showed any signs of having some asymptomatic case.

There is nearly always a large group who have natural immunity to various diseases through some random exposure they may not even know about. According to the physicians, anyway. People are different and do not all react in the same way to the same exposure.

Even now, we have a large and growing number of people with natural immunity to Covid. They either fought it, knowingly or unknowingly, or for some reason, just weren't susceptible.

"Makary predicted that the pandemic would be largely over in the U.S. by summer. He insisted that Fauci was ignoring the natural immunity of those who recover from the virus while suggesting that up to 80 percent of the U.S. population may need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, the point at which the entire population would be largely protected against contracting the virus.

"Look, I like Dr. Fauci, but when he says we need to vaccinate 75 to 80 percent in order to reach herd immunity and completely ignores natural immunity from prior infection, it's no longer this thing where you can just say 'oh, we don't how many people have natural immunity or we don't know if it works,'" Makary said. "Natural immunity is real and it works. And let's recognize it's going to help us get to herd immunity faster."

U.S. will reach herd immunity faster than Anthony Fauci says: Johns Hopkins Doctor Marty Makary
 
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Well, actually natural immunity does indeed work like that.

Your 'natural' immunity came from childhood exposure to chickenpox. I quite agree that immunity works like that. We are not at odds. Let us not quibble.

It is not possible to say with confidence that the American population now has a high degree of immunity. It was clearly wrong last summer. Serious cases including deaths have increased since then.
 
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Even now, we have a large and growing number of people with natural immunity to Covid. They either fought it, knowingly or unknowingly, or for some reason, just weren't susceptible.

Current numbers put this at about 10%, or basically the size of the error bar on the number of immune people needed for herd immunity. Doesn't seem particularly significant. Any reason you'd bring it up?
 
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Your 'natural' immunity came from childhood exposure to chickenpox. I quite agree that immunity works like that. We are not at odds. Let us not quibble.

It is not possible to say with confidence that the American population now has a high degree of immunity. It was clearly wrong last summer. Serious cases including deaths have increased since then.
 
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