Is this story related to the Mark of the Beast?

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the two witnesses


Based on the verse below, and Revelation 1:20, and Romans 11, the Two Witnesses are a symbol of the New Covenant Church.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


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FBI vows to track down those who lie about being vaccinated.
See the link below.

FBI Promises To Hunt Down Anyone Who Lies About Taking COVID Vax As Vaccine Passports Loom - National File


Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


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It's only related if you need a mark on your right hand or forehead to prove it.

Also only related if not being able to prove it, results in not being able to buy groceries.
 
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Anyone suggesting the covid vaccine is the mark of the beast is doing nothing but shaming christians.

Did you notice the part of the article which stated, "...As Vaccine Passports Loom" ?

What about shaming those who do not take the vaccine, because they had the infection?

Governor of Texas bans Vaccine Passports:


Duke University requires students to have a Vaccine Passport next Fall:
Duke University will require students to present proof of COVID-19 vaccination before returning for fall semester (msn.com)


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So, the question becomes, what is Revelation 11:8 referring to exactly when it refers to the great city where Jesus was crucified? If it's intending to refer to the great city Babylon as an earthly city (rather than the spiritual opposite to the new Jerusalem as I believe) then it can't be referring to Jerusalem if we accept the fact that He was not crucified in Jerusalem as Hebrews 13:12 and John 19:20 tell us.
"Where" is not "in".

"their dead bodies will lie in the main street of the great city whose name, to reflect its spiritual condition, is “S’dom” and “Egypt” — the city where their Lord was executed on a stake."

This verse does not state Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem. There is no Scripture contradiction. Literally, Jerusalem was where Jesus was crucified. It was not Rome where Jesus was crucified. It was not Iraq where Jesus was crucified. The city is not even named. It is spiritualized as Sodom and as Egypt.

These 2 witnesses will be killed in Jerusalem unless they end up on this main street yards from the city's border.

Some people ask me where I live or some ask what city I live in. I don't live in a city. I give them the name of the town they may have heard of. Sometimes not even the town I use as an address. Usually they do not question the validity of my home being literaly in the border of the answer.

What about NY, NY? It is actually 5 counties. Most counties have multiple cities. NY city has multiple counties. One would not be very exact just saying "New York".

I don't think any one should be confused about the city where Jesus was crucified.
 
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What about shaming those who do not take the vaccine, because they had the infection?

Probably not them.. but those who don't and are vocally against it because of bad theology, yes. They should be shamed.
 
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Probably not them.. but those who don't and are vocally against it because of bad theology, yes. They should be shamed.

Do you realize most of the current mRNA vaccines have not been authorized through the normal FDA process, and have been approved for emergency use only?

Do you realize most of the current mRNA vaccines are not defined as a "vaccine" in some states?

Do you realize if the vaccine harms or kills a member of your family, under current U.S. law you cannot sue the manufacturer?

A vaccine for the COVID-19 virus could have been produced by the normal process used for many years, which has a long-term safety record.
Instead, the mRNA vaccines now being used are a type of experimental gene therapy.

These are the scientific facts.

The last time I got a bad cut and required stitches, the doctor gave me a dose of the Tetanus vaccine.
I am not anti-vaccine.

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Do you realize most of the current mRNA vaccines have not been authorized through the normal FDA process, and have been approved for emergency use only?

Do you realize most of the current mRNA vaccines are not defined as a "vaccine" in some states?

Do you realize if the vaccine harms or kills a member of your family, under current U.S. law you cannot sue the manufacturer?

A vaccine for the COVID-19 virus could have been produced by the normal process used for many years, which has a long-term safety record.
Instead, the mRNA vaccines now being used are a type of experimental gene therapy.

These are the scientific facts.

The last time I got a bad cut and required stitches, the doctor gave me a dose of the Tetanus vaccine.
I am not anti-vaccine.

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It doesn't matter. Also, everything you've stated here are not scientific facts at all. You've read some fake or over hyped articles with out any knowledge of the details they are using. Now, most important point is that even if you want to believe these "articles", that doesn't eliminate the point that any christian equating this to something satanic (the mark of the beast) is being absurd.

If someone believes or even has these ideas that the vaccine is something satanic related, it's practically safe to say that anything he says or references about the vaccine, shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
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Also, everything you've stated here are not scientific facts at all. You've read some fake or over hyped articles with out any knowledge of the details they are using. Now, most important point is that even if you want to believe these "articles", that doesn't eliminate the point that any christian equating this to something satanic (the mark of the beast) is being absurd.

Since I have earned a Masters degree in Biology, and spent 29 years teaching science, you might want to recheck your facts.

Vaccines have been around since Jenner inoculated a young man with the cowpox virus from a milkmaid, and later exposed the young man to the smallpox virus.
He discovered the boy was protected.

However, Jonathan Edwards died as a result of a faulty smallpox vaccine.


Edward Jenner discovers vaccination:

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Since I have earned a Masters degree in Biology, and spent 29 years teaching science, you might want to recheck your facts.

Vaccines have been around since Jenner inoculated a young man with the cowpox virus from a milkmaid, and later exposed the young man to the smallpox virus.
He discovered the boy was protected.

However, Jonathan Edwards died as a result of a faulty smallpox vaccine.


Edward Jenner discovers vaccination:

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This whole argument you gave is irrelevant to the initial argument raise and the later one you inserted in. From the mark of the beast, random articles about how bad the vaccines are, now to how they where discovered?
 
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Based on the verse below, and Revelation 1:20, and Romans 11, the Two Witnesses are a symbol of the New Covenant Church.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


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I agree. So, how can the New Covenant Church be killed in Jerusalem with their bodies lying on the street there?

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

As you know, this is referring to the "dead bodies" of the two witnesses lying in the street of the great city, which you say is Jerusalem. How does this make sense if the great city is Jerusalem? I think the verse clearly isn't meant to be taken literally like that.

This is one of the reasons why I don't see "the great city" mentioned in Rev 11:8 as being Jerusalem since the two witnesses have a scope well beyond just Jerusalem.
 
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I agree. So, how can the New Covenant Church be killed in Jerusalem with their bodies lying on the street there?

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

As you know, this is referring to the "dead bodies" of the two witnesses lying in the street of the great city, which you say is Jerusalem. How does this make sense if the great city is Jerusalem? I think the verse clearly isn't meant to be taken literally like that.

This is one of the reasons why I don't see "the great city" mentioned in Rev 11:8 as being Jerusalem since the two witnesses have a scope well beyond just Jerusalem.


The battle for the Gospel is still going on today in the streets of Jerusalem, as well as the rest of the world.


Orthodox rabbi threatens to kill Christians in the modern State of Israel:


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Still not the Mark of the Beast™.


How many would agree with you, even if it was the Mark of the Beast?

How many would make a blanket statement, without any facts to back it up?

How many would be in that river in Egypt up to their eyeballs, and deny they were in the water?


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How many would agree with you, even if it was the Mark of the Beast?

How many would make a blanket statement, without any facts to back it up?

How many would be in that river in Egypt up to their eyeballs, and deny they were in the water?


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The facts are that the Mark of the Beast™ is a first century event. Just because some future event may seem like the same thing doesn’t make it the same thing. Satan likes using the same tricks over and over.
 
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The facts are that the Mark of the Beast™ is a first century event.

Then you do not need to worry about a future one world government, which would persecute believers and attempt to compel them to bow down to the state.

If it happens, just pretend it all happened during the first century and could never happen again.
Then you can bow down and feel like you are doing the right thing.


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Then you do not need to worry about a future one world government, which would persecute believers and attempt to compel them to bow down to the state.

If it happens, just pretend it all happened during the first century and could never happen again.
Then you can bow down and feel like you are doing the right thing.


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Since King Jesus’ kingdom will continue to grow, there’s no need to worry. Stop turning to the media and go and make disciples of all nations.
 
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Since King Jesus’ kingdom will continue to grow, there’s no need to worry. Stop turning to the media and go and make disciples of all nations.

Since Nero is dead, you seem to think all of the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled.

Surely, you could not be deceived.

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Promoting Vaccine Passports:

G5331
φαρμακεία
pharmakeia

far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

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Since King Jesus’ kingdom will continue to grow, there’s no need to worry. Stop turning to the media and go and make disciples of all nations.
I just don’t see how you can believe this
 
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Since Nero is dead, you seem to think all of the Book of Revelation has been fulfilled.

Surely, you could not be deceived.

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Promoting Vaccine Passports:

G5331
φαρμακεία
pharmakeia

far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

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Still first century.
 
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