Georgia becomes third state to shut down Johnson & Johnson vaccine site after adverse reactions

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Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine is facing a double dose of problems. Georgia is the third state to temporarily shut down a vaccine site after eight people suffered adverse reactions to the shot.

Earlier this week, 18 people in North Carolina reported side effects, while 11 people in Colorado reacted to the shot with symptoms ranging from dizziness, nausea and fainting.

"This is a really potent vaccine, and what we're seeing is some of that potency relating at a very rare side effect that we just have to be aware of," said Dr. David Agus, a CBS News medical contributor.

All three major U.S. vaccines produced adverse reactions in more than 60,000 people nationwide. For each manufacturer — Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson — just one-tenth of 1% of all people have reported side effects.



Georgia becomes third state to shut down Johnson & Johnson vaccine site after adverse reactions - CBS News

One tenth of 1% of all people have reported side effects? That's because people expect the side effects and don't report them. Of the people i know in my age range who've gotten the any of the vaccine, well over 50% (closer to 70-80%) have reported side effects, ranging from headaches, fever, chills, aches, etc. Counting people in other age ranges, it drops to closer to 50%, but .1% isn't even consistent with what is posted on the fact sheets of the vaccines themselves. Most people i know who've gotten the vaccines have been effectively out of commission for 24-48 hours after the vaccine, generally starting 8-16 hours after receiving it.

More disinformation in the article:

"The current vaccines that are out there in the public work against all of the variants," the CBS News medical contributor said. "Science is overcoming here. And that's why I think that by June we're going to overcome this virus in the United States and get to a new normal here."

There's no data to support that these vaccines work against "all of the variants". That's unsupported nonsense.

Unless of course, they want to claim that this site is spreading misinformation:

But with both vaccines, there was a significant drop in performance against the South African variant.

Those lab results were not ideal, but they weren’t exactly a surprise. In clinical trials, the Novavax vaccine was 89% effective in the United Kingdom but only 49% effective in South Africa, where B.1.351 dominates.

COVID-19 vaccines work well against California variant - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

I'm all for pushing health care measures to improve our safety, but lying about the efficacy and risks is not improving our safety, it's showing a disregard for it.
 

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Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine is facing a double dose of problems. Georgia is the third state to temporarily shut down a vaccine site after eight people suffered adverse reactions to the shot.

Earlier this week, 18 people in North Carolina reported side effects, while 11 people in Colorado reacted to the shot with symptoms ranging from dizziness, nausea and fainting.

"This is a really potent vaccine, and what we're seeing is some of that potency relating at a very rare side effect that we just have to be aware of," said Dr. David Agus, a CBS News medical contributor.

All three major U.S. vaccines produced adverse reactions in more than 60,000 people nationwide. For each manufacturer — Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson — just one-tenth of 1% of all people have reported side effects.



Georgia becomes third state to shut down Johnson & Johnson vaccine site after adverse reactions - CBS News

One tenth of 1% of all people have reported side effects? That's because people expect the side effects and don't report them. Of the people i know in my age range who've gotten the any of the vaccine, well over 50% (closer to 70-80%) have reported side effects, ranging from headaches, fever, chills, aches, etc. Counting people in other age ranges, it drops to closer to 50%, but .1% isn't even consistent with what is posted on the fact sheets of the vaccines themselves. Most people i know who've gotten the vaccines have been effectively out of commission for 24-48 hours after the vaccine, generally starting 8-16 hours after receiving it.
My guess is that when it says "side effects" it is referring to things that aren't considered typical (for example, pain after the shot is quite typical). On the scientific side those would be considered side effects but I think people in general would associate the idea of "side effects" more with more serious stuff that isn't expected. As the source is written for the popular audience, I believe it is the more popular idea of side effects it is using.

More disinformation in the article:

"The current vaccines that are out there in the public work against all of the variants," the CBS News medical contributor said. "Science is overcoming here. And that's why I think that by June we're going to overcome this virus in the United States and get to a new normal here."

There's no data to support that these vaccines work against "all of the variants". That's unsupported nonsense.

Unless of course, they want to claim that this site is spreading misinformation:

But with both vaccines, there was a significant drop in performance against the South African variant.

Those lab results were not ideal, but they weren’t exactly a surprise. In clinical trials, the Novavax vaccine was 89% effective in the United Kingdom but only 49% effective in South Africa, where B.1.351 dominates.

COVID-19 vaccines work well against California variant - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
How does your second source in any way contradict the first? The first says that the vaccines work against all of the variants. The second says that the vaccine works against a variant, just not as well. But it still works against it.
 
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All these people calling others foolish for being wary of the rushing to vaccinate. It seems ironic now.
No, it still seems foolish. The vaccines have already saved thousands of lives in the US, and saved many thousands more from suffering serious, long-term illness, at the cost of a small number of people being briefly ill. What do you find ironic about that?
 
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No, it still seems foolish. The vaccines have already saved thousands of lives in the US, and saved many thousands more from suffering serious, long-term illness, at the cost of a small number of people being briefly ill. What do you find ironic about that?

Yeah it is foolish. Even nausea and fainting are minor side effects.

I'm very grateful I received my first mRNA vaccine over a week ago. Of course I had side effects, I always do when I get vaccinated. But it's much better than actually getting COVID.
 
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"Three vaccination sites, one in Colorado and two in North Carolina, briefly paused administering the Johnson & Johnson vaccine against COVID-19 earlier this week after a small percentage of recipients experienced adverse reactions. The shots resumed after investigations by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the incidents were consistent with the vaccine’s known side effects."
(J&J COVID-19 Vaccinations Resume After Temporary Shutdowns).
 
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"Three vaccination sites, one in Colorado and two in North Carolina, briefly paused administering the Johnson & Johnson vaccine against COVID-19 earlier this week after a small percentage of recipients experienced adverse reactions. The shots resumed after investigations by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the incidents were consistent with the vaccine’s known side effects."
(J&J COVID-19 Vaccinations Resume After Temporary Shutdowns).

IOW, the CBS News title is click bait.
 
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IOW, the CBS News title is click bait.

Being as the quote which tried to discount the first article came from a different article, the article was an attempt at legitimately reporting a larger amount of adverse reactions than expected. It did, however, contain some misinformation (as pointed out in the OP) about the vaccines (and the misinformation was not alarmism, in fact, it was the opposite, such as making a false claim about the number of people reporting side effects).

In related news:

The numbers of severe side effects remain low, but they were high enough to give the CDC cause for concern.

(CNN)The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Food and Drug Administration are recommending that the United States pause the use of Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 vaccine over six reported US cases of a "rare and severe" type of blood clot.
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The new announcement from the FDA and CDC means all federal health channels -- mass vaccination sites, community health centers and the like -- that were previously administering the Johnson & Johnson vaccine will immediately stop for the time being, according to a federal health official.

The agencies are recommending that states do the same, but it will be up to the individual states to make that decision because they are given a separate allocation of doses.

The pause happened because this type of blood clot is not listed on the list of potential adverse side effects that were part of the emergency use authorization for J&J. While officials are stressing it is rare, they want health care providers to have time to understand what potential side effects are and how to best treat them.


Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine: CDC and FDA recommend US pause use of vaccine over blood clot concerns - CNN
 
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6 adverse reactions out a 7 million. I think it's great that they are showing caution to ensure the vaccine's safety, but it's more foolish to believe that there is a great danger when you're looking at a clot rate of 8.57 x 10^(-5) %.
Yeah, it's a tough balance. At this point, it's likely that more people have died in auto accidents on the way to or from vaccination than have died from the vaccination itself, and far more have died waiting to be vaccinated. On the other hand, figuring out who's most at risk from one of the vaccines is worth doing if it's actually killing people.

Note that rare fatal side effects are just a reality for lots of drugs and some vaccines. I've been vaccinated for yellow fever, and that carries about as large a risk of severe/fatal outcome as the AZ covid vaccine.
 
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