The Flat Earth Bible

essentialsaltes · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
QV this article from Lock Haven University: The Flat-Earth Bible.

That's an article written by Bob Schadewald, uploaded on Don Simanek's personal page hosted at Lock Haven University.

essentialsaltes · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

This has zero to do with the earth being flat.

Does the earth move? Or is it set upon foundations or pillars [edited to add: that prevent it from moving]?

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
That's an article written by Bob Schadewald, uploaded on Don Simanek's personal page hosted at Lock Haven University.

Neat.

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Does the earth move? Or is it set upon foundations or pillars?

Is the earth flat or spherical?

essentialsaltes · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Is the earth flat or spherical?

Spherical with some lumpiness.

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Spherical with some lumpiness.

It moves.

Paul4JC · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Did Isaiah subscribe to the same cosmology?

There is only one Biblical Cosmology.

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
There is only one Biblical Cosmology.

Yup.

Paul4JC · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Yup.

...and it's 3-tier.

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

Okay ... next one is from the book of Proverbs, meaning it is poetry, so we'll move on to the next one.

1 Samuel 2:8b ... for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

Again, this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

So what's the score so far?

Flat Earth: Ø
Round Earth: Ø

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
...and it's 3-tier.

Correct.

1st Heaven
2nd Heaven
3rd Heaven

Paul4JC · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Correct.

1st Heaven
2nd Heaven
3rd Heaven

10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [Phl 2:10 NIV]

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; [Phl 2:10 KJV]

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [Phl 2:10 NIV]

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; [Phl 2:10 KJV]

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, ( whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Paul4JC · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, ( whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

How is this Biblical Cosmology? That would make 5-tiers. [2 Enoch says there are 7 heavens.]

Biblical 3-tier cosmology....
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. [Rev 5:3 KJV]

So where is under the earth?

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

Okay ... next one.

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

My explanation to this would just be a rehash of Post 8.

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
How is this Biblical Cosmology? That would make 5-tiers.

Genesis 1 speaks of three firmaments (or heavens) being created.

That's why I cringe when people quote Genesis 1:1 with the word "heavens" being plural.

God created one of the Heavens in Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Then, in vs 7, God creates two more Heavens.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Three firmaments = three Heavens.

Populated as follows:

1st Heaven = Earth & sky = plants and animals and mankind
2nd Heaven = outer space = planets, moons, stars
3rd Heaven = Heaven proper

Note that it is after He is finished with His creation, that He uses "heaven" in its plural form.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

essentialsaltes · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
1 Samuel 2:8b ... for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

Again, this has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

It does not, however, again it speaks to the broader cosmology. Is the earth set upon pillars? Are the pillars immovable? Can the earth move if it is set upon immovable pillars?

AV1611VET · Apr 9, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Can the earth move if it is set upon immovable pillars?

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Is Paul telling us not to move? or is he telling us to abound?

Which do you think?

Paul4JC · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Genesis 1 speaks of three firmaments (or heavens) being created.

That's why I cringe when people quote Genesis 1:1 with the word "heavens" being plural.

God created one of the Heavens in Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Then, in vs 7, God creates two more Heavens.

Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Three firmaments = three Heavens.

Populated as follows:

1st Heaven = Earth & sky = plants and animals and mankind
2nd Heaven = outer space = planets, moons, stars
3rd Heaven = Heaven proper

Note that it is after He is finished with His creation, that He uses "heaven" in its plural form.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Go ahead and ignore the verses I shared.... and post #4

Paul4JC · Apr 9, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Genesis 1 speaks of three firmaments

2 the vault of heaven, or 'firmament,' regarded by Hebrews as solid, and supporting 'waters' above it, Genesis 1:6,7 (3 t. in verse); Genesis 1:8 (called שָׁמַיַם; all P), Psalm 19:2 ("" הַשָּׁמַיַם), ׳זֹהַר הָר Daniel 12:3; also ׳ר הַשָּׁמִיִם Genesis 1:14,15,17, ׳הַשּׁ ׳עַלמְּֿנֵי ר Genesis 1:20 (all P). **רְקִיעַ עֻזּוֺ Psalm 150:1 (suffix reference to ׳י).

BDB Hebrew: 7549. רָקִ֫יעַ (raqia) -- an extended surface, expanse

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