Is this story related to the Mark of the Beast?

Hammster said:

Yes.

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Matthew 24:29
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I don’t think that’s happened, we’re still here

Hammster said:

You’ll need to do some OT study to see how those terms are used.

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What do you mean? I think it’s pretty straightforward

Hammster said:

I’m answering your questions.

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You are also asking me questions without telling me why. Is it too much for me to ask you why you are asking them? Such as the question about who was the person crucified in Rev 11:8. Why did you ask that question?

Hammster said:

Because it shows what city is in reference.

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What city would that be then, even if it was meant to refer to an earthly city? Keeping in mind that Jesus was crucified outside of Jerusalem (Hebrews 13:12, John 19:20).

Hammster said:

Okay.

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Can you give me some clarification on your thinking regarding those verses?

Hammster said:

While he was crucified outside the city gates, it would still be considered Jerusalem.

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Where is your evidence to back that up? If that was the case then why does John 19:20 say "the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city"? If it was near Jerusalem, how could it be in Jerusalem?

BABerean2 said:

FBI vows to track down those who lie about being vaccinated.
See the link below.

FBI Promises To Hunt Down Anyone Who Lies About Taking COVID Vax As Vaccine Passports Loom - National File


Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


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Anyone suggesting the covid vaccine is the mark of the beast is doing nothing but shaming christians.

Spiritual Jew said:

Where is your evidence to back that up? If that was the case then why does John 19:20 say "the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city"? If it was near Jerusalem, how could it be in Jerusalem?

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Because it could be considered the "outskirts"? NYC for example.. Queens is part of NYC, but residents there consider Long Island City to Astoria as "close to the city" (in which they are referring to manhattan). Staten Island too is part of NYC, but when you ask for rent locations they will all say "where ever is closest to the city".

BABerean2 said:

Then what is the "great city" found in Revelation 11:8, where our Lord was crucified?

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I've stated it before, but maybe you missed it. I believe it's the same great city called Babylon in other verses and is basically the spiritual opposite of the new heavenly Jerusalem. It is the spiritual city that all unbelievers dwell in whereas we believers are all part of the new heavenly Jerusalem, which is the mother of us all (Gal 4:26). All unbelievers belong to this evil world and the Lord was crucified here in this world. I would equate it with "the world" as Jesus defined it here:

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Everyone is other of the world (this evil world) or they belong to Christ. I see everyone as dwelling spiritually either in Babylon or the new Jerusalem. If you see all the descriptions of the great city, Babylon, I don't see how they can all describe earthly Jerusalem. Why would earthly Jerusalem spiritually be called "Sodom and Egypt" (Rev 11:8), for example? And how about this verse:

Rev 19:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

How does that describe earthly Jerusalem?

I see the great city Babylon as having a global scope rather than just regional because it indicates that it has an affects on all unbelievers just as the beast does. That's why it talks about the woman being a harlot and riding on the beast. It all has to do with Satan's global world evil system that people follow after and all the false religions and cults of the world that people follow after instead of God.

Cis.jd said:

Because it could be considered the "outskirts"? NYC for example.. Queens is part of NYC, but residents there consider Long Island City to Astoria as "close to the city" (in which they are referring to manhattan). Staten Island too is part of NYC, but when you ask for rent locations they will all say "where ever is closest to the city".

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I would allow for this possibility, but I'm not sure if it makes sense to compare modern cities to ancient Jerusalem. But, if someone could provide evidence to show that the place where Golgotha was located would be considered part of Jerusalem then I would listen.

BABerean2 said:

Do the globalist bankers want to make earthly Jerusalem the capitol of their global government?

Jacob Rothschild explains how his family created the modern State of Israel.
Rothchild never gives the credit to God in this video.

The Rothchild family also designed and financed the Israeli Parliament building, which is full of occultic symbols.
There is a pyramid on the roof, with a hole where the all-seeing eye would be located.

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It's clear that we're not going to convince each other to change our minds on this subject, so I'm content to agree to disagree on this. I just wanted to share a viewpoint on the great city that people may not have considered before because it's easy to assume that the great city of Rev 11:8 is referring to Jerusalem because it says it's where our Lord was crucified and people assume He was crucified in Jerusalem.

Since you see the great city as being Jerusalem, do you see the two witnesses as being two individuals as well? If so, we would also differ on that, but we can talk about that in another thread if you want.

BABerean2 said:

FBI vows to track down those who lie about being vaccinated.
See the link below.

FBI Promises To Hunt Down Anyone Who Lies About Taking COVID Vax As Vaccine Passports Loom - National File


Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


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