UK Government Alleged to Have Used 'Covert Psychological Strategies on the Public'

Jimmy D said:

Duh, that’s what marketing and publicity agencies do isn’t it? Did anyone think Boris and Gove drew up the ad campaigns around the kitchen table?

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You know you aren't being controlled by the state if you are healthy, well-off, well-adjusted, and happy.

anna ~ grace said:

I agree. The aim of the media / news does not seem to be letting us know what is going on in the world anymore. It seems to be, really, increasing fear, anger, polarization, and compliance.

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Now the same media is trying to scare people about the vaccine.

Astroqualia said:

No, they do it quite efficiently and precisely in the exact ways they desire to do it. The common ways most think they want control is not the case. People believe the propaganda news media, they eat and drink poisonous ingredients, they subscribe to detrimental societal propaganda [actual racism, liberalism, support of corrupt politicians on one side of the 2 sided coin of democrat/republican], they fall victim to mass psychology, among a host of other successes. I'd say the government has us 99.7% controlled, or so. Just not in the ways that don't actually matter. The Supreme court in the 1860s I believe, ruled that licenses for activities the constitution clearly guaranteed as liberty or freedom that didn't infringe on others couldn't be licensed. And now look at the state of the country, soon you'll need a license to wipe your rear after going to the bathroom. People so easily forget and are persuaded into confirming to authority, its scary to see what the next 20 years will bring.

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How did you lose your driver's license ?

Taodeching said:

Now the same media is trying to scare people about the vaccine.

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Something weird is going on here. I’ve decided to just tune out the media.

The back and forth stories are more about ratings than helpful news.

JustSomeBloke said:

The facts are that the COVID virus presents an insignificant threat to the masses of young people.

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Yes. And?

Are older people any less important?

Astroqualia said:

No, they do it quite efficiently and precisely in the exact ways they desire to do it. The common ways most think they want control is not the case. People believe the propaganda news media, they eat and drink poisonous ingredients, they subscribe to detrimental societal propaganda [actual racism, liberalism, support of corrupt politicians on one side of the 2 sided coin of democrat/republican], they fall victim to mass psychology, among a host of other successes. I'd say the government has us 99.7% controlled, or so. Just not in the ways that don't actually matter. The Supreme court in the 1860s I believe, ruled that licenses for activities the constitution clearly guaranteed as liberty or freedom that didn't infringe on others couldn't be licensed. And now look at the state of the country, soon you'll need a license to wipe your rear after going to the bathroom. People so easily forget and are persuaded into confirming to authority, its scary to see what the next 20 years will bring.

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How do you arrive at the oddly specific number of 99.7 % control?

JustSomeBloke said:

If true, then I'm not really surprised. I wonder if there will ever be a proper investigation into any of this.

From the article:

The paper, written by Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours, said: 'A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group, although levels of concern may be rising.

'The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat.'

The document, seen by the Telegraph, allegedly then gave 14 options for improving compliance including 'use media to increase sense of personal threat', which they said would be highly effective but runs the risk of 'negative' side effects.

SAGE members have since claimed the British public have been 'subjected to an unevaluated psychological experiment without being told that is what's happening.'

They added that SPI-B reports are often not 'challenged' by SAGE because many of those involved are 'not very well equipped to evaluate it.'

'When someone from SPI-B is saying we need to ramp up the fear and keep it ramped up - there wasn't much questioning of that at the beginning and most of the questioning came from external sources, not from within.'

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What do you think happens when the govt (or anyone else) is trying to influence public behaviour? Like the ongoing promotion of healthy living etc. Do you imagine that someone just sits down and starts writing whatever happens to come into their head, or people just pull random ideas out of a hat?

Nithavela said:

How do you arrive at the oddly specific number of 99.7 % control?

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Very carefully.
If you want to ask a real question I will provide a real answer.

Ana the Ist said:

How did you lose your driver's license ?

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Can you point me to where I said I lost my driver's license?

Taodeching said:

Now the same media is trying to scare people about the vaccine.

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Wrong, the media is trying to get as many as they can to take it when there are thousands of VAERS reports of death and more than enough anecdotal personal posts to shake a stick at that show severe adverse health effects from taking it.

Research into both sides of an issue, and where each side gets their facts, combined with at least a few good brain cells, is of paramount importance in order to actually know what's going on outside of guesswork.

Daily Mail hahahahaha

Astroqualia said:

Very carefully.
If you want to ask a real question I will provide a real answer.

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That was a real question.

See.. here's the funny thing. Either you have somehow come to this number by an objective measure, or you are just throwing out an overly-specific number to manipulate your readers into believing that your statement is more accurate than it is.

Which is kinda ironic when you use such manipulation tactics while accusing others of using manipulation tactics.

False precision - Wikipedia

Astroqualia said:

Wrong, the media is trying to get as many as they can to take it when there are thousands of VAERS reports of death and more than enough anecdotal personal posts to shake a stick at that show severe adverse health effects from taking it.

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VAERS data is subject to severe limitations. It's right there on there website - somehow you managed to miss it. For one:
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
VAERS - Data
Here's the full list. Please read it very carefully.

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  • Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
  • Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
  • The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
  • VAERS data is limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
  • VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.

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Nithavela said:

That was a real question.

See.. here's the funny thing. Either you have somehow come to this number by an objective measure, or you are just throwing out an overly-specific number to manipulate your readers into believing that your statement is more accurate than it is.

Which is kinda ironic when you use such manipulation tactics while accusing others of using manipulation tactics.

False precision - Wikipedia

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If you don't understand that I wasn't trying to give a scientifically precise number, but more of an honest guesstimation that was derived from roughly 10 years of studying related subjects of government conspiracy including what why and how they enact mass psychological experiments to control aspects of society and the populace, then perhaps you shouldn't be trying to have this conversation, as you don't seem to actually want to have a conversation, but just shut down an opposing side to yours, that you do not believe, and I would bet money know nothing about.

sesquiterpene said:

VAERS data is subject to severe limitations. It's right there on there website - somehow you managed to miss it. For one:
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
VAERS - Data
Here's the full list. Please read it very carefully.

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That was just one point I made, when many others exist to support that same narrative. It says "sheer numbers alone". Read the reports. Healthy people just dropping over dead within hours of the vax? Not all were healthy, but many were. You can choose to blindly believe what an authority institution tells you, without researching both sides of the issue, if you desire. That's your right. Note: and I don't mean to not believe actual hard data, what I mean is, don't believe a false interpretation of said data in order to propagandize the populace. There are thousands of doctors who are blackballed due to not conforming to the popular narrative they push on TV and by the CDC, who owns patents related to vaccines and profits from it. Conflict of interest, much?

How about this, you take the vax, have that false sense of security and moral high-ground position of conforming to what the government and media has groomed society into demanding everyone get with herdthink, still have the same chances to get covid, still have to distance and mask up, have chances to die from an adverse reaction, risk viral shedding to healthy individuals, and get all future vaccines they will keep releasing as different strains pop up. You go ahead and do that, and I will remain here and not be scared of a virus with the lethality of the flu. I get it, people do die from the flu. The difference is, if you get into a car accident and die, and posthumously get tested for the flu and it pops positive, that automobile related death isn't added to flu death numbers. For covid, it is. The reason being, hospitals get 10,000$ from federal funding for every covid patient they have, making them literally test everyone they can, with a test that gives more false positives than actual positives, because even the creator of the pcr test knows it wasn't meant to be used in this way.

There is a scheme here that most do not see, and it's really sad to see Christians who lack discernment buy into obvious propaganda that is helping bring about a new type of society and the NWO.

Astroqualia said:

That was just one point I made, when many others exist to support that same narrative. It says "sheer numbers alone". Read the reports. Healthy people just dropping over dead within hours of the vax? .

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Well, apparently you didn't understand what they were were saying. You can't say whether the vaccine is responsible unless you know how often people drop dead every single day. VAERS doesn't provide that data.

sesquiterpene said:

Well, apparently you didn't understand what they were were saying. You can't say whether the vaccine is responsible unless you know how often people drop dead every single day. VAERS doesn't provide that data.

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Yeah, when you are thirsty, drink some water, and the thirst goes away, there is no evidence that drinking the water quenched your thirst. At least, that must be what you would believe, if authority institutions told you that was the case. It's not that I didn't understand it - it's that I don't believe it blindly when every sign and ignored evidence points exactly towards what I said. Are you familiar with the phrase "conflict of interest"?

Similar to, if you study the troves of historical information related to specific vaccines given to babies, the frequency and onset of SIDS in relation to time of vaccination, anyone who is able to critically think, can obviously see that vaccines are, at the very least, one of the main if not the only, cause of SIDS in our modern era. There are so many testimonies and reports of heartbroken parents who have dealt with this same issue, to deny the obvious cause is much more than a slap in the face to them. The truth is, so many testimonies directly correlate the fact that onset of SIDS tends to happen within hours or a couple days of vaccine administration. Doctors actively parrot big pharma propaganda to parents to make many parents not believe the vaccine was the cause, which in turn prevents many more cases from reaching the taxpayer-funded vaccine injury compensation court, that has actively awarded billions to the parents whose children have deceased provably by vaccine adverse reactions [or have received permanent neurological disabilities].

I'm not just believing things because I want to. I have been accused of that in my life, when that argument being brought against me is a way for those folk to dismiss this hard truth, they don't want to believe the government and big pharma are tools in a worldwide population reduction eugenics plan the wealthy elite have told us for decades they desire, plan, and fund. It's also written on the Georgia guidestones - a mockery of the 10 commandments the wealthy elite made in the 80s in Georgia, with 10 statements written on it that are actively being pursued in our time, now, that came from the club of Rome 2nd report. Look it up, or remain in the dark, it's your choice. Humanity is about to get ruined in a very bad way over the next couple or few decades, and the quicker more people get wise to the scheme, the better off everyone will be, the more evil will be exposed, and the less people will die, if we can even turn things around.

Astroqualia said:

Similar to, if you study the troves of historical information related to specific vaccines given to babies, the frequency and onset of SIDS in relation to time of vaccination, anyone who is able to critically think, can obviously see that vaccines are, at the very least, one of the main if not the only, cause of SIDS in our modern era. There are so many testimonies and reports of heartbroken parents who have dealt with this same issue, to deny the obvious cause is much more than a slap in the face to them.

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There is saying in the critical thinking communities: The plural of anecdote is not data.

You need to take this to heart, because people in general are really prone to falsely infer causation merely because of temporal association. This really is at the center of many misconceptions by antivaxxers. They have tried to claim a whole slew of diseases are caused by vaccines - why even shaken baby syndrome has been blamed on vaccines. The relationship between SIDS and vaccines has been systematically researched by scientists, and the results are clear: SIDS is not caused by vaccines. Here's a start for your reading:Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

sesquiterpene said:

There is saying in the critical thinking communities: The plural of anecdote is not data.

You need to take this to heart, because people in general are really prone to falsely infer causation merely because of temporal association. This really is at the center of many misconceptions by antivaxxers. They have tried to claim a whole slew of diseases are caused by vaccines - why even shaken baby syndrome has been blamed on vaccines. The relationship between SIDS and vaccines has been systematically researched by scientists, and the results are clear: SIDS is not caused by vaccines. Here's a start for your reading:Vaccines and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

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So because a saying exists, said saying is true in every instance. When enough anecdotal evidence to sink a ship is denied as valid by folks with a conflict of interest in keeping the public opinion of vaccines as good in order to line their own pockets, you side with those folks? The problem seems to arise when any sort of rich folk who decide to enact plans and influence humanity behind closed doors is denied as impossible to happen, or crazy to believe happens, and folks blindly eat up their paid for and funded propaganda that confirms what they want you to believe, that they paid for to have "proof" that their eugenics/depopulation tools are safe. Folks just don't seem to get the situation the world is in, and the mountains of evidence that show the elite are involved in this on purpose.

Most folks who have actually researched the entire history of vaccines from the Spanish flu, through the 30s, to polio, to other countries vaccine response, all the way till now, from a source that isn't paid-for propaganda, know that vaccines are not safe, they are, in fact, eugenics tools, they do, in fact, cause autism in some, as autism fairies don't just randomly select babies to give autism to, as well as other permanent neurological disorders, developing immediately after getting a vaccine.

Shaken baby syndrome being blamed on vaccines is ridiculous, I have never heard in my entire life, being part of many conspiracy circles, that shaken baby syndrome is caused by vaccines.

The fact is, there are two kinds of folks. Those who blindly believe information provided by the satanic, lying authority above them unquestioningly, and those others who question everything they are told, view both sides of an issue, and don't just automatically believe what an authority institution finds.

Jimmy D said:

Duh, that’s what marketing and publicity agencies do isn’t it? Did anyone think Boris and Gove drew up the ad campaigns around the kitchen table?

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So the government is supposed to do what advertisers do? Lie to us?