Where is all this evil coming from?

myst33 said:

Like Isaiah or Daniel was prophetic about Messiah until He came, so the Revelation was prophetic until it happened.

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The 1500 mile city New Jerusalem has not descended from heaven, and God isn’t dwelling on earth with us forever, per Revelation 21 and 22.

chad kincham said:

The 1500 mile city New Jerusalem has not descended from heaven, and God isn’t dwelling on earth with us forever, per Revelation 21 and 22.

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This is a very literal view of Revelation.

AubreyM said:

Because the scripture talks about Satan being thrown in the lake of fire.

Let’s see 1000 years none of us are going to be around to see Jesus Christ to see him reign. We will be dead before that even happens.

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God is going to resurrect those who beheaded during the Tribulatoin to live during the Millennium. Nobody was beheaded in the past whereby they are living today.

“...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4).

Also, this above verse does not read like a metaphor. It does not have the classic indicators that follow a metaphor. You are trying to use rational thinking that does not work in your own mind, and seeing it does not work in your mind, you hit the “metaphor button” without looking at any of the context or looking to a cross reference to confirm your findings.

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1000 years is represented number that exclaims ownership.

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You are in error. There is no other verse in the Bible to confirm this and or sounds like it is a perfect tie in to Revelation 20:4. There is no verse that says, “But when God speaks of living a thousand years, know that this is not actual years or days but it is a picture of how God owns you.”

You said:

Jesus Christ will reign forever on this earth now today, people who come to know Christ Jesus enter this kingdom they are delivered from darkness into the kingdom of his Son.

According to Colossians 1:12-15?

Notice God delivers people out of darkness, it doesn’t say anything about God delivering then from satans hand or satans kingdom: so today in this world.

By the victory of Jesus, overcoming Satan, people today still don’t believe it’s possible.

One more thing Satan also means adversary.

Satan can be tossed around so much that we stop blaming our human nature for being what it is a lover of evil self-will actions not looking towards God.

To me Satan has been defeated. Jesus crushed his head at the cross, and after resurrection. Defeating death, sin, grave, and Satan.

Anyone can believe however they desire on this topic but I’m going to believe always that Satan has been defeated by Jesus Christ.

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So then the believer's testimonies of today who have seen demons and who have cast out demons today and or in recent history are either lying or deluded in some way. They are deluded in believing verses that talk about the amor of God in Ephesians 6.

So no armor of God for you. You cannot apply the amor of God for you today. It serves no purpose. So you are reading instructions on our spiritual battle and fight with holes in your instructions. Telling people to deny that Satan is around is just as bad as those who deny the existence of Satan. It means one does not have to worry about the devil's schemes and thereby they can be deceived by them (2 Corinthians 2:11). For if I told you that someone was going to attack your house with a certain battle plan tomorrow and yet you said such a person does not exist, then the attack does not exist. So then if you ignore my warning about such an attack, your house would be broken into and or ruined. But it just does not seem like you care. For me: If I was wrong about such a thing, it would scare the heck out of me in that the devil could destroy me because I did not believe he was around or that he did not exist. To me: Your playing a dangerous game of interpretation that places your soul at great risk.

martymonster said:

Owls are actually men. Men who prefer the dark.

Ecc 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
Ecc 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Whenever you see animals in scripture (beasts) it's referring to men, including insects and birds.

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This is not always the case. The word “beast” can just simply refer to animals like in Genesis 1:24-25, and Genesis 1:30. Revelation refers to the word “beast” in many cases in reference to demons.

AubreyM said:

Know that have lived a lot in darkness most of my life. God set me free of the darkness. Use to believe satan and demons where around but not anymore, because of what scripture says about Satan and his angels.

You realize we are not going to agree don’t you.

It’s okay, my belief is different. You see future, I see it all being fulfilled.

Anyone can say I don’t read or believe the Bible or whatever but that is conjecture.

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The problem with your belief about the devil not being around today is that there is no actual proof that this is true. Nothing in the past indicates that the MAJOR things in Revelation have happened. As I said before, the other problem is that it renders warnings for us to be aware of the devil's schemes can be ignored (Thereby we can fall victim to these schemes - Which is a dangerous position to be in). For what if you are wrong? This means that devil (you don't think is around) will be able to potentially deceive you. To believe that either the devil does not exist or is not around is the first step towards being ignorant of the devil's schemes (of course). You may think that we wrestle against flesh and blood when in reality that is not the kind of battle we fight. We fight a spiritual war.

AubreyM said:

Hello Brother @Bible Highlighter

The same can be said about human philosophy, and traditions of men, if you don’t believe me just go read Colossians chapter 2 in its full context. You will see Paul warning against to be weary and cautious of the ways of wisdom according to men, and not according to Christ Jesus.

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Right, and no offense, but I believe your philosophy or your belief (on the devil) runs contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ and His followers because nowhere do we see any of the MAJOR BIG things in Revelation fulfilled in the past. We hear nothing about how demons came up out of the ground, and how 1/4th of the Earth was killed. You read Revelation 20:4 in an allegorical way when it simply does not read that way. It would be like reading the literal passages on Christ's dying for our sins on the cross as a metaphor. None of the 4 gospels portrays His life as not being real or literal. Yet, I am sure somebody can say it is a metaphor just because they want it to be one. But that does not make such a claim true.

You said:

People don’t have to believe me, do not expect them to, but if you are a believer in Christ Jesus, why would you have to worry about the devil or Satan exactly?

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Peter tells believers:


Paul tells believers:


Also, this following verse below cannot be true for you, too.


For in your view, unbelievers are not being blinded by Satan. Yet, this is what 2 Corinthians 4:4 says. So you must take some scissors and cut this verse out of your Bible. It is a totally useless verse for you. The devil is not blinding any unbelievers today according to you because he is not around. Yet, who am I going to believe? You, or the Bible? I choose the Bible. For you allegorize Revelation 20:4 without any good reason, and you ignore the warnings in the Bible about the devil.

What purpose would there to be afraid?

All that has been made know to me is that when a person comes to acceptance of the faith God has provided and they make that choice to believe and have faith on Christ Jesus they have been pulled out of darkness by God and brought into the Kingdom of His son, according to Colossians chapter 1 as well.

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This is not just believing in the person of Jesus, but it is believing everything He taught, said, and did, too. For Jesus says, “why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord' and do not the things that I say?” (Luke 6:46).

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So you have to make your own decision of what you have chosen to believe. If people don’t believe revelation happened yet it’s cool, but if we can’t love each other aside from the differences then that is a problem a person as to deal with when it comes to their heart, and love towards God and love towards others.

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Disagreeing over our beliefs is not a lack of love. I do care for you. But somebody can misinterpret my zeal in warning a person to not drive over a bridge up ahead because it is damaged can be viewed as a lack of love (when it is not). The warning is done out of love. If not, then they would just let them drive on by without any warning.

You said:

Am not perfect (it’s why we need Christ Jesus)but when it comes to beliefs believe people are going to believe how they want, desire, or have been taught by others to believe.

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I don't know what your definition of “not perfect” is. What Christians today define as perfect and what the Bible defines as perfect are two different things. Some Christians think “not perfect” is that they think they will always commit mortal or grievous sin in this life on some level. Meaning, they will always look at women in lust, lie, and or use bad language, etc.; and yet, despite these things, they believe they are still saved.

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Thank you for your comment, what do you think about these things?

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What things?

AubreyM said:

The thing is my understanding comes from the Bible and that Satan has be conquered over by the Lord Jesus Christ.

It’s a very subjective topic, you can say it’s false but still doesn’t invalidate the text of what happens to Satan and His angels, when spoken about by Jesus Christ somewhere in the Gospel.

If you believe that scriptures should be followed verse by verse and word by word, you will have a very lot of responsibility on your own hands.

For me my belief is that everything has been fulfilled, and it is important to take everything as a grain of salt that is taught by others and actually read and understand the texts of what is going on when it comes down to what is believed and taught by others to them.

So like I’ve said I believe personally everything in the Bible has been completed, that Satan has been conquered over and that Jesus Christ has already come back and lives with believers today in their heart, through the faith God has given.

You may believe Jesus Christ is coming back, that armegadon is going to come about, and that we are living in the last days, and Satan is still roaming around.

For me believe people if anything are blinded by Darkness and not Satan at all.

What do you think about these things?

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I think it is time for me to move on. Nothing I will say will convince you at this time.
Only God can talk to your heart by His Word on this topic.
I would pray this topic some more with the Lord, and check to see if maybe you might be wrong on this one. Why? Well, because from my perspective, it seems like you are in an extremely dangerous position whereby the devil can deceive you (because you deny he is not around to deceive you). For Scripture warn us to be aware of the devil's schemes or devices.

I believe the "devil" exists but he has no actual power other than the power of suggestion. God is the winner the devil is the loser. He has no power. God has all the power and we understand this through his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who strengthens us.

AubreyM said:

So, because of the bible telling of Satan and his angels being thrown in the lake of fire proving the victory of the Lord Jesus Christ.


Does not remove the fact, that darkness, and evil still exist with-in us humans. Jesus Christ is the only one to be able to cast a light on the darkness and the evil of the heart. Jesus Christ is the light of all man kind.


As human beings we have a choice to do wrong. Eve was beguiled by Satan in the Garden, but she made a choice when she was enticed, and tempted by her own lust.


James 1:14 : But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.


Darkness still exist today.


- This is total conjecture on my part -> While believers are part of the kingdom of God.


And while Satan according to the bible has been cast into the lake of fire with his angels.


And while Satan is most certainly gone, people who are motivated by the power of darkness, who exist after this life and have their lives outside the kingdom of God above, are somehow free to wander, free to encourage others to death, and free to do dark deeds.

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The more totally “sold out” a human being is to God, the more we love Him above all else IOW, the less we sin. And until then believers and unbelievers alike will contribute to the evil in this world, while believers should contribute much less.

Meanwhile we still struggle against sin at times, against the attraction to the offerings of this world, to lesser, created things rather than to Him above all else. We may still prefer ourselves and our own ways to God; pride always opposes Him. It has to do with where our hearts are; the devil really doesn’t have to do so much.

Evil - "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16

Sold out as a believer?

Having the fear of the Lord causes men to depart from evil (Pro 16:6). We decide if we're going to have the fear of the Lord. Then God teaches those who fear Him. (Pro 1). It is loving Him, giving Him honor, respect, devotion, right worship, serving Him, following Him and being submitted and obeying His Word, His will.

Having the fear of the Lord means we love what He loves and hates what He hates (Psa 97:10, Pro 6:16-19, Pro 8:13)

The fear of the Lord can be taught (Psa 34:11). How to have the fear of the Lord: (Pro 2:1-5).
It contrast with having the fear of man. Saul had the fear of man (I Sam 13 and 15),

"...we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:" Heb 22:28 Having the fear of the Lord is the true and acceptable way of worshipping the Lord (Benson commentary).

. It "...prolongs one’s days..." (Pro 10:27). "In the reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord there is strong confidence, and His children shall always have a place of refuge." (Pro 14:26)

"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life." (Pro 22:4) "The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant" (Psa 25). Is a treasure (Isa 33:6l.

Having the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, knowledge, instruction, and is the fountain of life (Pro 1:7, 9:10, 14:27). "The reverent, worshipful fear of the Lord leads to life, and he who has it rests satisfied; he cannot be visited with [actual] evil." Pro 19:23

Plus "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him,, and make our abode with him." John 14:23

tturt said:

Evil - "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16

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Yes, these pretty much define "concupiscence" those worldly things or desires that attract us away from God

tturt said:

Sold out as a believer?

Having the fear of the Lord causes men to depart from evil (Pro 16:6). We decide if we're going to have the fear of the Lord. Then God teaches those who fear Him. (Pro 1). It is loving Him, giving Him honor, respect, devotion, right worship, serving Him, following Him and being submitted and obeying His Word, His will.

Having the fear of the Lord means we love what He loves and hates what He hates (Psa 97:10, Pro 6:16-19, Pro 8:13)

The fear of the Lord can be taught (Psa 34:11). How to have the fear of the Lord: (Pro 2:1-5).
It contrast with having the fear of man. Saul had the fear of man (I Sam 13 and 15),

"...we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:" Heb 22:28 Having the fear of the Lord is the true and acceptable way of worshipping the Lord (Benson commentary).

. It "...prolongs one’s days..." (Pro 10:27). "In the reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord there is strong confidence, and His children shall always have a place of refuge." (Pro 14:26)

"By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life." (Pro 22:4) "The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant" (Psa 25). Is a treasure (Isa 33:6l.

Having the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, knowledge, instruction, and is the fountain of life (Pro 1:7, 9:10, 14:27). "The reverent, worshipful fear of the Lord leads to life, and he who has it rests satisfied; he cannot be visited with [actual] evil." Pro 19:23

Plus "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him,, and make our abode with him." John 14:23

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yes, sold out to Him. fear is the beginning. Adam basically lacked fear, along with the wisdom that would've followed, the wisdom to recognize and accept the infinitely vast difference between Creator and created, and bow to Him. Love is the epitome of being sold out to Him, the truest motivation for bowing for worshipping in spirit and truth; it's the goal, the definition of perfection for man which is why the greatest commandments are what they are.

And 'love casts out fear', while the awe aspect becomes even greater. I appreciate the words of a 4th century believer, Basil of Caesarea:
If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.