Voting rights vs Gun Rights

Sparagmos said:

Are you offended by the data that shows blacks are less likely to have an I.D.? That, not racist attitudes, are where we got the idea that it disproportionately hurts blacks to require I.D.

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I would hazard the guess that Oompa Loompa doesn't believe that data, since "everyone he knows" in his "black neighbourhood" has an ID.

Nithavela said:

I would hazard the guess that Oompa Loompa doesn't believe that data, since "everyone he knows" in his "black neighbourhood" has an ID.

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Well, ‘’people are saying," ya know?

Oompa Loompa said:

Simple question. I hear from many people that voter ID laws are wrong because voting is a constitutional right. But owning a firearm is a constitutional right too. So why is it wrong to require photo identification to vote but not wrong to require a photo identification (and background check) to own a firearm? I would love to someone to explain that to me

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We all have three basic needs, food, clothing, shelter.

"Rights" dunno,
who decides?

Oompa Loompa said:

Are you a U.S. citizen?

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No.

Must I?

Better to stand on the outside looking in,
than stand on the inside looking out.

Oompa Loompa said:

What does anything in the article have to do with people being unable to get an ID because they were poor, black, Latino, or elderly? Yes, there are situations that make it more difficult to get an ID, like your mother changing YOUR last name because SHE got remarried. Those situations are out there and I am sure the Washington Post had to do a lot of digging to find those examples to feed the false narrative. On the other hand, do you have any idea how hard it is to get a concealed weapons permit in California? We can play the tit for tat game all you want. How about we make things fair and make it just as easy to vote as it is to purchase a firearm?

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I had occasion to talk to a retired truck driver in the USA.
He had plenty of money so he did not care that he
was getting no social security.
His reason was something about different
ages on his ID, not sure how it went exactly.

I know another immigrant who innocently used two
different versions of her name, and problems have
ensued.

Since the US govt is so fond of spraying
taxpayers' money at anything, maybe they should
just offer to pay expenses on anyone needs their ID
figured out.
Those who simply cannot be identified for whatever
reason cannot get on an airplane or open a bank account.
Or go to college. Sorry, but, that's how it is.

Sparagmos said:

Yeah, you could say that votes are weapons of mass destruction if not used properly!

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Good reason not to encourage the clueless to vote.

Oompa Loompa said:

Why are Australians so concerned about the domestic affairs of the United States?

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Or in Hong Kong?

Because you guys have a big effect on others!!

Oompa Loompa said:

And the government now wants to mandate covid passports. Let's see how that works out. But that is another story.

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I was not suggesting a mandated ID.

Oompa Loompa said:

I would argue that that statistic is too low. I don't know a single black person who is not offended by the suggestion that we are somehow too poor or stupid to figure out how to get an ID or use the internet (like Joe Biden suggests).

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I know I find it hard to believe that anyone truly thinks that a black person would uniquely find it extremely difficult to acquire ID if a that black person did not already have one. Nor believe that there are a large population among black people that don't already possess ID. I find that sort of thought process, just as you have suggested, to be extremely racist in that it assumes that black people are less able in some way to accomplish a very simple and easy thing. Since the Georgia law does not require voters to pay for ID, but will provide them free of charge, being poor is not a handicap to getting an ID. Even if one were to subscribe to Biden's racist assumption that people of color are the only poor " poor kids are as bright as white kids" it would seem that the ID portion of the Georgia law does not pose a problem for the black population of Georgia anymore than anyone else. I expect that if the state of Georgia was giving away free peaches there would be just as many black citizens as white ones that would take advantage of it. Why would I think that this would not be the case when it is giving away free ID?

Voter ID | Georgia Department of Driver Services

Oompa Loompa said:

It is also a good reason to protect voter integrity with voter identification.

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I wonder if any (other) country does ID free elections

Oompa Loompa said:

That is the argument, but that is not the case. I I don't know of a single person who was unable to get an ID for any reason. I don't know of a single person who doesn't have a photo id.

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You do realize, don't you, that you don't know everybody and you haven't been every place?

And you do realize that the ID requirement is not the only issue, right?

grasping the after wind said:

I know I find it hard to believe that anyone truly thinks that a black person would uniquely find it extremely difficult to acquire ID if a that black person did not already have one. Nor believe that there are a large population among black people that don't already possess ID. I find that sort of thought process, just as you have suggested, to be extremely racist in that it assumes that black people are less able in some way to accomplish a very simple and easy thing. Since the Georgia law does not require voters to pay for ID, but will provide them free of charge, being poor is not a handicap to getting an ID. Even if one were to subscribe to Biden's racist assumption that people of color are the only poor " poor kids are as bright as white kids" it would seem that the ID portion of the Georgia law does pose a problem for the black population of Georgia anymore than anyone else. I expect that if the state of Georgia was giving away free peaches there would be just as many black citizens as white ones that would take advantage of it. Why would I think the at this would not be the case when it is giving away free ID?

Voter ID | Georgia Department of Driver Services

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Biden made false statements about the ID law.
The NYT reported those as "Biden suggested
that...", or as 'exaggerations".