How the Trump Campaign Steered Supporters Into Unwitting Donations
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Yes, the old standby excuse of "I voted for a President and not a pastor." Ironically, this excuse has conveniently disappeared among the majority of Trump supporters since Biden was elected. Now it's "Biden lied about this" or "Biden lied about that" or complaints about some other controversial thing he said. It's too late for them to start acting like they care about the character of the President now.
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it's puzzling what makes some parts of US society so vulnerable to someone like Trump. The kind of fundamentalist religion popular in some parts seems to have something to do with it, a lot of the teaching from those churches seems to be not just anti-intellectual but anti-thought. Other Trump supporters seem to fear the imminent appearance of a communist dictatorship, and that fear seems to give people's brains enough leverage to make it seem ok to believe all kinds of nonsense, a kind of trade off that enables people to support Trump and feel good about it because in their mind they are fighting communism by doing so.
The conservative media plays a part in it too, it seems to me. There are some decent conservative news outlets over there, but the popular ones hold a lot of the responsibility for the dumbing down of political discourse in the US, reducing everything down to basic notions that force people to choose between imaginary notions of right and wrong that have little or no actual relevance to reality. But I suppose that is a chicken and egg question, do people watch that junk because it gives them pre-packaged opinions, or does it exist only to echo those opinions?
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one thing that might make it less puzzling is due to tv station buy outs in a lot of places the only news these people have gotten (apart from the internet) has been the right and far right leaning ones. they have no other real options unless they buy cable or satellite. so think about how long they've been brainwashed to believe all these conspiracies. though that doesn't absolve them of their own personal responsibility.
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I can't speak to why some people are so vulnerable to deceptive marketing messages, but I do think it's time to make such practices illegal. The Trump campaign's fundraising practices are in the same league as telemarketing scams stealing money from naive consumers.
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And yet so many right-wingers, in particular, rage against the "nanny state". I think they would revoke the Pure Food and Drug Act if they could on the theory that they are too clever to get scammed and anyone who does, deserves it even at the cost of their health or their lives.
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Win Red is a for-profit company, while Act Blue is a non-profit. I wonder how much of those donations went directly to Win Red's profit, and if the people who were refunded got all their money back or did some portion go to Win Red ?
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I don't know what you expect from the folks who are the very backbone of the Trump Republican Party. White evangelicals have supported Trump by large percentages (at least 70%) from 2016 until now. Whenever Trump has a position, polls show that over 70% of white evangelicals support Trump's position. Trump would easily win their vote in any 2024 primary, and in the general election.
Whatever the rationale, we have white evangelicals to thank for what Trump has brought us. Surely, they approve of what he "accomplished" in office. Whenever folks look for those who would turn from Trump after some action or position, those folks have been disappointed.
What will it take to convince you that the Republican Party is Trump's party, and that white evangelicals strongly support the current Republican Party?
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BTW, that is 100% their right as American citizens and voters.
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I have to wonder how Trump supporters believe he earned his wealth. In all of his business ventures, he took an existing product, gave it the Trump brand, and ran it poorly. Most of his ventures, including his casinos (which, by their very nature are primed for success), failed. None of his ventures were innovative, with the possible exception of the "run for President under the guise of being a successful businessman with the people's interest at heart", but that was really more of a scam than a business.
He made his money by funneling money from his businesses into his pockets while his businesses failed and left the investors and banks holding the bag. This was precisely why US banks stopped lending to him in the 90s, and why he had to seek credit from foreign banks. Even those credit sources were running dry, which, i believe is what prompted him to try to raid the public coffers through his Presidential bid (and win in 2016).
The grift was obvious from the get-go, but stories like these show the depth of which his supporters were conned.
He made his money by funneling money from his businesses into his pockets while his businesses failed and left the investors and banks holding the bag. This was precisely why US banks stopped lending to him in the 90s, and why he had to seek credit from foreign banks. Even those credit sources were running dry, which, i believe is what prompted him to try to raid the public coffers through his Presidential bid (and win in 2016).
The grift was obvious from the get-go, but stories like these show the depth of which his supporters were conned.
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No inconsequential amount, I would imagine. After all, what could be more "red" than making the wealthy wealthier?
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It seems counter-intuitive to try to hornswoggle the same people twice, but they actually tend to be the most profitable victims -- rather than admit to themselves that they've been cheated, they'll happily throw good money after bad.
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