Pastor Expels COVID Police From His Church

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I'm sure next time they will get a warrant and more armed police. Video of Canadian pastor forcing police out of church goes viral - The Christian Post It's funny how Christians think it fine to break laws. When they are doing it.

I've met some conservative Christians who seem to be under the impression that they are above the law and they don't have to adhere to the COVID restrictions as everyone does. As I relayed earlier in this thread, some of my fellow conservatives are the most selfish and rebellious people I've ever met, despite their profession of the Christian faith. They are rebellious and defiant against the government mandates on COVID restrictions. I don't feel sorry for the ones who contracted the virus themselves and then whined about it as if it's someone else's fault. I told them that they reap what they sow.
 
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What you are told. Read it for yourself my friend. ;)

I did. It implicates God knew everything from
before time, and the purpose was to pay him
for people breaking his rules, all figured, in stance
however odd the logic
 
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MLK claimed to be not only a Christian but a Reverend and he consistently disobeyed laws that he he believed those laws were unjust. So have many other Christians over the years. The early Christians would not say "Caesar is Lord." thereby disobeying the law. There were Christians in Nazi Germany that disobeyed the law against sheltering Jews and in the USSR that did not obey laws that made it a crime to not inform on one's neighbors if the neighbor was speaking "disinformation".

All of those examples involve disobedience to preserve and protect life. In this instance it's the opposite.
 
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All of those examples involve disobedience to preserve and protect life. In this instance it's the opposite.
This "disobedience" and speaking out and taking a stand IS to preserve LIFE, and the companions of that life, and that is the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
 
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This "disobedience" and speaking out and taking a stand IS to preserve LIFE, and the companions of that life, and that is the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
In Canada.
 
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MLK claimed to be not only a Christian but a Reverend and he consistently disobeyed laws that he he believed those laws were unjust. So have many other Christians over the years. The early Christians would not say "Caesar is Lord." thereby disobeying the law. There were Christians in Nazi Germany that disobeyed the law against sheltering Jews and in the USSR that did not obey laws that made it a crime to not inform on one's neighbors if the neighbor was speaking "disinformation".
He didn't claim to be Christian and a Reverend, he was one. And he disobeyed the laws, but he also willing accepted the consequences of breaking those laws. He didn't scream persecution when he was arrested for breaking the law, but still declared them to be unjust. The problem is all the Christians who think they can just ignore the COVID restrictions that are applied to everybody and then expect to not have to pay the consequences for it.
 
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He didn't claim to be Christian and a Reverend, he was one. And he disobeyed the laws, but he also willing accepted the consequences of breaking those laws. He didn't scream persecution when he was arrested for breaking the law, but still declared them to be unjust. The problem is all the Christians who think they can just ignore the COVID restrictions that are applied to everybody and then expect to not have to pay the consequences for it.

There is such a thing as the duty of civil disobedience,
but that duty is to the general good, it's not an excuse
to be a jerk.
 
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That is interesting, if the police backed off if they felt they had a legitimate reason to interfere with what was going on in the church. It is said the church had already violated regulations, a number of times. And church members in the video are not wearing masks.
If the police are that concerned, they need to play by the book, and get a warrant. The fact that they left with their tails between their legs is a strong indicator that the law was not on their side. As I've said before, this is about police looking for easy targets (including people who don't know their rights), and it's happening all over the world in relation to COVID policing.

I would say yes. But I don't feel it is much of a sacrifice to wear a mask so others are safe around me and they can come out safely.
I'm happy to wear a mask indoors, if it makes other people feel safer, although I'm not convinced that masks make much difference. I think the main reason masks are being pushed is to condition people to accept restrictions, by starting with small restrictions such as masks, before moving onto huge restrictions that would have been unthinkable if people hadn't already been trained and softened up to be obedient using masks and other restrictions first.

Certainly here in the UK, we've had an entire year of the government manipulating the public into giving up all our freedoms. Every single oppressive measure starts off being a rumour, and is then quickly downplayed as un-British, unnecessary, or whatever, by some government minister. Then, lo and behold, after a month or so, it is official government policy, becomes law, and we all have to do it (that's how the mask mandate began). Slowly getting people used to having their freedoms removed is their modus operandi.

Are you aware that for the last 3 months, it's been illegal for British people to leave their home, except for a short list of permissible reasons? And even before that, we'd already endured several months of severe restrictions. Many people had been unable to see their grand children and other relatives. And elderly people in care homes died of dementia due to lack of contact with friends and family. A lot of people are very unhappy about all of that, and the fact that the police are now often little more than the government's uniformed bullies.

We've also had to endure endless government gas lighting, and endless carrot and stick tactics, whereby the carrot is dangled, but never gets any closer because the government keeps moving the goalposts for what we have to do before we can have any freedom or relaxation of restrictions. In short, we've been lied to repeatedly and deceived on a massive scale. If the government was a spouse, their behaviour of the last year would be considered domestic abuse, and the abused partner would be urged to get a divorce from their abusive spouse ASAP.

I'm also concerned about the long term effect of masks on society. God gave us all a unique identity, and our faces are a huge part of that. He also intended us to be social creatures with expressive faces. Covering faces with masks is a denial of our God-given unique identity and our social nature.

But if you drive unsafely, you may be prosecuted, even if it is not your intention to kill and maim people because of your drunk driving.

It is understood that unsafe behavior can result in killing people with the COVID.
That is a fair comment. But it all hinges on whether masks are effective. I gather that there has been some peer reviewed research published indicating that masks don't really help much, but of course it hardly sees the light of day, and is largely ignored by the MSM because it doesn't fit the narrative.

If children were the primary victims, being killed in the hundreds of thousands, would you feel ok with going around without a mask if masks could help to cut the killing of children?
But that is not what is happening. Here in the UK, the average age of a COVID death is greater than average life expectancy. Of course some younger people have died, nobody is denying that. However, there have been some particularly nasty strains of flu from time to time, that killed some young people, such as in 2018, but nobody wore masks or locked down the country over that. And as Christians, we accept that the vessels we were gifted for our time on earth are mortal and temporary. The idea that we can eliminate all COVID deaths is a secular point of view. I'll also add that 'Think of the children!' is a logical fallacy that is known as an 'appeal to emotion'.
 
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Wasn't the officer doing the talking, a woman?
Front of her jacket says 'Public Health Inspector'. Back of her jacket says 'Environmental Health'.

Six in total, three definitely looked like Police (two men, one woman). The other two (men), I'm not sure if they were Police or Public Health Officers.

I think the Police were intended to be Law Enforcement back up, and they certainly did a lot of backing up, back out of the door, and onto the street!
 
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Front of her jacket says 'Public Health Inspector'. Back of her jacket says 'Environmental Health'.

Six in total, three definitely looked like Police (two men, one woman). The other two (men), I'm not sure if they were Police or Public Health Officers.

I think the Police were intended to be Law Enforcement back up, and they certainly did a lot of backing up, back out of the door, and onto the street!

Bet they hate being send on jobs like that
 
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Front of her jacket says 'Public Health Inspector'. Back of her jacket says 'Environmental Health'.



Six in total, three definitely looked like Police (two men, one woman). The other two (men), I'm not sure if they were Police or Public Health Officers.

I think the Police were intended to be Law Enforcement back up, and they certainly did a lot of backing up, back out of the door, and onto the street!

At least they left without any type of Gestapo action....what else could they do? Lol
 
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This "disobedience" and speaking out and taking a stand IS to preserve LIFE, and the companions of that life, and that is the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Ignoring COVID-19 isn't preserving life. Many churches are open are following COVID-19 with out problem . This ones not.
 
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Ignoring COVID-19 isn't preserving life. Many churches are open are following COVID-19 with out problem . This ones not.

The Church I attend is still following the COVID restrictions, despite our rogue governor, Greg Abbott, completely reopening Texas. Beto O’Rourke will have my vote if he challenges Abbott in 2022. I am, however, pleased to report that many of the stores, restaurants, and medical facilities in the general area where I live (and in other areas of Texas) are completely ignoring his executive order to reopen Texas at 100%. Masks and social distancing are still required in many businesses and restaurants.

As a matter of fact, my husband and I were in a popular Sporting Goods business last week and we overheard a couple being told to leave the store because they refused to wear a mask. The man tried to argue with the store employees, but the employees stuck to their guns and the couple finally left.
 
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What would Jesus do? I guess we'll never know, but perhaps he would have made a whip from cords and driven them from the premises, as per John Chapter 2 Verses 13-17.

13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”

I was going to say that myself, of course the writer of that doesn't understand god's law, so one of those things I have issues with in the bible.
 
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Ignoring COVID-19 isn't preserving life. Many churches are open are following COVID-19 with out problem . This ones not.

I don't think anyone is simply "ignoring" covid; but some are choosing not the let the fear of it control their lives to the extent of nearly stopping living or rejecting the fostering and care of interpersonal relationships.
 
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All of those examples involve disobedience to preserve and protect life. In this instance it's the opposite.

What you posted is simply not factual. Some of the examples involved protecting life others did not. The early Christians did not refuse to worship Caesar in order to protect life. MLK did not break the law to protect life . They both did so on the grounds that unjust laws or government demands which are not properly codified into law should not be obeyed. Something that the Nuremburg trials also affirmed. If the government is authoritarian, as the Roman government was as well as the majority of others over the course of human history, disobedience to such unjust laws might cost one , one's life. If a law or government demand is truly unjust, one may well feel morally obligated to sacrifice whatever is necessary to oppose it.
 
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I've met some conservative Christians who seem to be under the impression that they are above the law and they don't have to adhere to the COVID restrictions as everyone does. As I relayed earlier in this thread, some of my fellow conservatives are the most selfish and rebellious people I've ever met, despite their profession of the Christian faith. They are rebellious and defiant against the government mandates on COVID restrictions. I don't feel sorry for the ones who contracted the virus themselves and then whined about it as if it's someone else's fault. I told them that they reap what they sow.


I am in complete agreement with the attitude that if one suffers because of one's own poor decision making one should not be considered a victim. If one catches Covid because one is obstinate and refuses to take precautions out of spite over government overreach then one has indeed reaped what one has sown. However, by one taking proper precautions it does not signify that one approves of government overreach.
 
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He didn't claim to be Christian and a Reverend, he was one. And he disobeyed the laws, but he also willing accepted the consequences of breaking those laws. He didn't scream persecution when he was arrested for breaking the law, but still declared them to be unjust. The problem is all the Christians who think they can just ignore the COVID restrictions that are applied to everybody and then expect to not have to pay the consequences for it.

I never said he wasn't and I am fully aware he was. However, if one answers a post in which there is such a phraseology used in relation to other people it is not inappropriate to use the same in order to point out the problem with using such phraseology. If you don't think MLK pointed out the persecution he and others were on the receiving end of in speech after speech you must not have listened very well. And because of the loud manner in which he voiced his speeches there were many opponents that claimed he was screaming persecution while breaking reasonable laws. that sort of wild hyperbole was easily seen as ridiculous then and it should be now.
 
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