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Since the law is not required for Salvation, only Faith is, then my previous point stands.

The law is not of Faith.

[Gal 3:12 ESV] But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

I have never said anything different. Have I?

You seem to be of the view that faith abolishes Gods' law it doesn't. Faith establishes the law in the life of those who have genuine saving faith according to Paul in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Already answered here with scripture. As posted earlier What does Proverbs 28:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 5:4 mean in your view?
Your response here
That is not the answer to my specific question. It was an answer to a different question. Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
Nope, those scriptures in the post you are quoting from are the answer to your question. Do you know what they mean?
 
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You seem to be of the view that faith abolishes Gods' law it doesn't. Faith establishes the law in the life of those who have genuine saving faith according to Paul in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

You view what I say wrong then. I do not believe Faith abolishes God's law.

Let me repeat - I do not believe Faith abolishes God's law.

Where have I said differently?

What I have said is the law is not of Faith.

[Gal 3:12 ESV] But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

Do you believe the law is of Faith?
 
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Your response here

Nope, those scriptures in the post you are quoting from are the answer to your question. Do you know what they mean?

No, those passages do not answer the question I asked you.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?

It is a simple yes or no answer.

If you will answer my question, then I will answer your question.
 
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You view what I say wrong then. I do not believe Faith abolishes God's law.

I see so do you keep God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments according to the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11)? No one has ever said here that the law is of faith.
 
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No, those passages do not answer the question I asked you.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?

It is a simple yes or no answer.

If you will answer my question, then I will answer your question.

Sure those scriptures answer your question. They are God's Words not mine. What do you think they mean? If you do not know the answer or you do not want to answer my question you do not have to if you do not want to just say so I am happy to show why they answer your question. I just provided the scriptures to see if you can see the answer in them and to save some typing
 
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Yes I do. Do you?
I see so you keep God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath of the 10 commandments according to Exodus 20:8-11? Sorry I am just making sure I am hearing you correctly. Your a Sabbath keeper? As for me of course I do.
 
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I see so you keep God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath of the 10 commandments according to Exodus 20:8-11? Sorry I am just making sure I am hearing you correctly. Your a Sabbath keeper? As for me of course I do.

Yes. God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days. He finished His work and rested on the seventh - that is the Sabbath.

I have also rested from my work, as He did. My rest is in Christ.

Have you rested from your work as God did? Do you rest in Christ?

Also, if you do not mind, that other question I asked, would appreciate a yes or no answer.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
 
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Yes. God created the Heavens and the Earth in six days. He finished His work and rested on the seventh - that is the Sabbath.

I have also rested from my work, as He did. My rest is in Christ.

Have you rested from your work as God did? Do you rest in Christ?

Also, if you do not mind, that other question I asked, would appreciate a yes or no answer.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?

Arr so what you really mean is that you do not keep the seventh day Sabbath as a holy day of rest according to God's 10 commandments in the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11) do you. I was very specific in my question to you Nathan. Why did you give everyone the impression you were a Sabbath keeper when you are not? No one enters Gods' rest according to Hebrews 3:8-10 and Hebrews 4:1-9 if they knowingly (James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31) do not believe and follow Gods' Word or break His commandments according to the scriptures in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4. Yes I rest in Christ because I believe and follow Gods' Word and enter into His seventh day Sabbath rest according to the scriptures. Your other question "Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?" was already answered here linked. What do you think the scriptures in the linked post mean?
 
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Arr so what you mean is that you do not keep the seventh day Sabbath as a holy day of rest according to God's 10 commandments in the scriptures (Exodus 20:8-11) do you. I was very specific in my question to you. No one enters Gods' rest according to Hebrews 3:8-10 and Hebrews 4:1-9 if they knowingly (James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31) do not believe and follow Gods' Word or break His commandments according to the scriptures. Yes I rest in Christ because I believe and follow Gods' Word and enter into His seventh day Sabbath rest according to the scriptures.

Oh no, I know for a fact I keep the Sabbath.

Are you saying that I do not? Are you saying that I am breaking God's law based on how you see it?

I know Jesus had a similar issue with the religious people in His day. They accused Him of breaking the commandment also.

Also, does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they receive Salvation? A yes or no would be a very helpful answer.
 
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Oh no, I know for a fact I keep the Sabbath. Are you saying that I do not? Are you saying that I am breaking God's law based on how you see it?
God knows if you keep His seventh day Sabbath of not I will let him be your judge. I do not judge you or anyone. According to the scriptures it will be the Word of God we accept or reject that will be our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48.
I know Jesus had a similar issue with the religious people in His day. They accused Him of breaking the commandment also.
Not really. Jesus told us not to break God's law but to keep God's laws and he kept the Sabbath as well. He was the creator of the Sabbath who taught us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath not to disregard the Sabbath or any of Gods' 10 commandments according to the scriptures (see Matthew 12:1-12; Matthew 22:36-40; Matthew 5:17-20; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 7:21-23)
Also, does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they receive Salvation? A yes or no would be a very helpful answer.
God's salvation is conditional on believing and following Gods' Word according to the scriptures (already answered here linked.)
 
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Nathan, I am just wondering why you are asking this same question after it was already answered to you more than once now. Do you remember when you tried to insinuate this earlier in my thread here and I addressed it to you and told you exactly what it is I believe? I posted to you somewhere else that we believe that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but the scriptures teach that Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith in *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law however, is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of the faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Now do you disagree with what I have posted here from the scriptures?

So looking at your post here, since you say you answered my question below with it, could you underline the "yes" or "no" answer to my question. It would be helpful so I can pick it out easier.

Here is my question again;

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
 
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So looking at your post here, since you say you answered my question below with it, could you underline the "yes" or "no" answer to my question. It would be helpful so I can pick it out easier. Here is my question again; Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?

No problem if you tell me what you think my linked post and the scriptures provided in them are saying?
 
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God knows if you keep His seventh day Sabbath of not I will let him be your judge. I do not judge you or anyone. According to the scriptures it will be the Word of God we accept or reject that will be our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48.

Not really. Jesus told us not to break God's law but to keep God's laws and he kept the Sabbath as well. He was the creator of the Sabbath who taught us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath not to disregard Gods' commandments (see Matthew 12:1-12; Matthew 22:36-40; Matthew 5:17-20; Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 7:21-23)

God's salvation is conditional on believing and following Gods' Word according to the scriptures (already answered here linked.)

Yes, of course. God does know. :) I am very thankful for that.

Since my rest is in Christ, the Word of God, I have no doubt that He will accept me. That is why my rest is so restful in Him. The peace that passes all human understanding.

I am not sure why you believe God's Salvation is conditional. If it is conditional, then it is not free. If it is not free, then it means we have to earn it.

LWG, if you will put your trust in Christ, truly rest in Him, you will see that Salvation is His work in us. He has provided everything we need for His day of rest. It's not wise to go out and work on that day.

Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart.
 
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No problem if you tell me what you think my linked post and the scriptures provided in them are saying?

I do not know what the post is saying. That is why I am asking for clarification.

You claim the post answers my question. I do not see where it does. If you could underline it for me, then I could see what you are talking about.

My question;

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they receive Salvation?

Your post;

Nathan, I am just wondering why you are asking this same question after it was already answered to you more than once now. Do you remember when you tried to insinuate this earlier in my thread here and I addressed it to you and told you exactly what it is I believe? I posted to you somewhere else that we believe that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but the scriptures teach that Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith in *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law however, is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of the faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Now do you disagree with what I have posted here from the scriptures?
 
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Yes, of course. God does know. :) I am very thankful for that.

Since my rest is in Christ, the Word of God, I have no doubt that He will accept me. That is why my rest is so restful in Him. The peace that passes all human understanding.

I am not sure why you believe God's Salvation is conditional. If it is conditional, then it is not free. If it is not free, then it means we have to earn it.

LWG, if you will put your trust in Christ, truly rest in Him, you will see that Salvation is His work in us. He has provided everything we need for His day of rest. It's not wise to go out and work on that day.

Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart.

Hello Nathan. Of course God's salvation is conditional on believing and following His Word.

Let's look at the scriptures asking the question...

IS SALVATION CONDITIONAL AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE?

IF” SHOWS SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL ON BOTH BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING (FRUIT) GOD'S WORD

OLD TESTAMENT (Not definitive)

IF” (Hebrew) *H518; אם;'im; A primitive particle; used very widely as demonstrative, lo !; interrogitive, whether ?; or conditional, if, although ; also Oh that !, when ; hence as a negative, not: - (and, can-, doubtless, if, that) (not), + but, either, + except, + more (-over if, than), neither, nevertheless, nor, oh that, or, + save (only, -ing), seeing, since, sith, + surely (no more, none, not), though, + of a truth, + unless, + verily, when, whereas, whether, while, + yet.

We must do well according to Gods' Word (believe and follow) in order to be accepted...

GENESIS 4:7 IF (conditional) you do well, shall you not be accepted? and if you do not well, sin lies at the door. And to you shall be his desire, and you shall rule over him.

Consequences for not believing and following...

GENESIS 20:7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for you, and you shall live: and IF (conditional) you restore her not, know you that you shall surely die, you, and all that are yours.

EXODUS 4:23 And I say to you, let my son go, that he may serve me: and IF (conditional) you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your son, even your firstborn.

Blessings for believing and following...

EXODUS 15:26 And said, IF (conditional) you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and will do that which is right in his sight, and will give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases on you, which I have brought on the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that heals you.

LEVITICUS 26:3-5 [3], IF (conditional) you walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; [4] THEN I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. [5], And your threshing shall reach to the vintage, and the vintage shall reach to the sowing time: and you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.

LEVITICUS 26:14-18 [14], But IF (conditional) you will not listen to me, and will not do all these commandments; [15] And IF (conditional) you shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that you will not do all my commandments, but that you break my covenant: [16], I also will do this to you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. [17], And I will set my face against you, and you shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and you shall flee when none pursues you. [18], And IF (conditional) you will not yet for all this listen to me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

There are too mant more to write so may stop here for the Old Testament scriptures and maybe post some more latter.

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NEW TESTAMENT (not definitive)

IF” (Greek) *G1437; אםἐάν; ean; a conditional particle; in case that, provided, etc.; often used in connection with other particles to denote indefiniteness or uncertainty : - before, but, except, (and) if, (if) so, (what-, whither-) soever, though, when (-soever), whether (or), to whom, [who-] so (-ever)., See G3361.

God's forgiveness is conditional...

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], IF (conditional) we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

MATTHEW 6:14-15 [14], For IF (conditional) you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: [15], But IF (conditional) you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Being a disciple we must follow what Jesus says...

MATTHEW 16:24 Then said Jesus to his disciples, IF (conditional) any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Conditions for inheriting eternal life...

MATTHEW 19:16-19 [16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I DO, that I may have eternal life? [17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF (conditional) you will enter into life, keep the commandments. [18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, [19], Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

JOHN 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: IF (conditional) any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

JOHN 8:24 I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for IF (conditional) you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

JOHN 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF (conditional) you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

JOHN 8:39 They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, IF (conditional) you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

JOHN 8:51 Truly, truly, I say to you, IF (conditional) a man keeps my saying, he shall never see death.

God only hears those who are following His Word...

JOHN 9:31 Now we know that God hears not sinners: but IF (conditional) any man be a worshipper of God, and does his will, him he hears.

JOHN 14:15 IF (conditional) you love me, keep my commandments.

JOHN 15:10 IF (conditional) you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

JOHN 15:14 You are my friends, IF (conditional) you do whatever I command you.

JOHN 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, IF (conditional) a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our stay with him.

JOHN 15:6-7 [6], IF (conditional) a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], IF (conditional) you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you.

Ok once again too many scriptures that could have been listed here that I did not include in this post. This is only the short version. Faith therefore according to the scriptures definition is believing and doing what Gods' Word says and everyone of Gods' 10 commandments according to the new covenant scriptures are a requirement for Christian living as they are how love is expressed to both God and our fellow man according to Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-4.

Hope this helps.
 
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE AND IS GOD'S SALVATION CONDITIONAL (Pt 2)

The Greek Word used for "BELIEVING" is present tense active now connected to obeying. The counterfeit of true faith is believing without obeying that James calls the faith of devils or dead faith in James 2:17-20; 26

JOHN 3:36 [36], The [one] BELIEVING V-PPA-NMS in the Son HAS V-PIA-3S life eternal; the [one] however NOT OBEYING V-PPA-NMS the Son, not will see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 3:15-16 [15] that every one who is BELIEVING in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is BELIEVING in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

HEBREWS 5:9: “And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”

1 JOHN 2:3-4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
."

MATTHEW 7:21 Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”

JOHN 10:26-27 [26], But you believe not, because you are not of my sheep, as I said to you.
[27], MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, AND I KNOW THEM, AND THEY FOLLOW ME


JAMES 2:18-20[18], Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. [19], You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. [20], But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

JAMES 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

MATTHEW 7:21-27
[21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
[23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
[24], Therefore whoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, which built his house on a rock:
[25], And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell not: for it was founded on a rock.
[26], And every one that hears these sayings of mine, and does them not, shall be likened to a foolish man, which built his house on the sand:
[27], And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

HEBREWS 3:14 [14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end

HEBREWS 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

HEBREWS 12:25 [25], See that you refuse not him that speaks. For if they escaped not who refused him that spoke on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaks from heaven:

2 PETER 2:20 [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

HEBREWS 3:6 [6], But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

HEBREWS 2:3 [3], How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by them that heard him

COLOSSIANS 1:21-23 [21], And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now has he reconciled [22], In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and blameless and unreproveable in his sight: [23], If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister

JAMES 1:12 [12], Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

MATTHEW 24:13 [13], But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

MARK 13:13 [13], And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

1 TIMOTHY 4:1 [1], But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons

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As shown through the scriptures above in the last two posts, Gods' salvation is conditional on believing and following what God's Word says.

Hope this is helpful.



 
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