If I can’t trust God to protect/help in this life how am I supposed to trust Him for the afterlife?

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That would support Him being cruel.

Why?
You wife might have faith and trust in God; you seem to be saying you won't trust him unless he does what you want. You've even said that if you get to heaven, you will want to stay far away from him (not possible.)
 
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Nope. For me an ounce bad poisons the ton of good.


Yes.

I will in no fashion praise Him for this. This kind of stuff is what you do to torture a detested enemy, not someone you love. As for eternity, I would want to spend it with her. God, not really. Who would want anything to do with someone that cruel? If I wnd up in heaven I want to place at the farthest point from Him.
Unexpected sudden death would be better? Where you didn't get to say goodbye and be there when it ended? I do not see how that would be better, but if it is because of the suffering, the Lord has provided us with the medicine to ease the suffering. It is not nearly as bad as it used to be like in Civil war days, with amputations and no sedatives or morphine. He has helped us to at least make our loved ones somewhat more comfortable. Does she sleep? Is she screaming in agony 24/7? I do not know the extent of her condition or what you are witnessing, but I do know that you are lucky to have what the two of you have together, as some people go their entire lives without ever feeling the kind of love that you feel for her, and knowing that someone loves them as much as you know she loves you. They never feel it, or know it, and die hollow and empty wondering why they were never worthy of finding that special someone or feeling true love in any form. There are no words to ease your anger and feelings of helplessness, but keep praying for her because it does more good than you can begin to realize spiritually and in the spirit is where miracles take place.
 
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That would support Him being cruel.
Not if you don't even want to be anywhere near Him. He will not force you to be anywhere you don't want to be, and if He does not come first, you probably won't be with Him. God tells us 13 times in the Bible that He is a jealous God. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at satan for causing our destruction. He is so jealous of Jesus and of humans. He causes sickness and suffering. The Bible says that Satan deceives the whole world, and performs wonders and miracles. You don't think that makes him powerful as well? Satan is your enemy- not God.
 
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Not if you don't even want to be anywhere near Him. He will not force you to be anywhere you don't want to be, and if He does not come first, you probably won't be with Him. God tells us 13 times in the Bible that He is a jealous God. If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at satan for causing our destruction. He is so jealous of Jesus and of humans. He causes sickness and suffering. The Bible says that Satan deceives the whole world, and performs wonders and miracles. You don't think that makes him powerful as well? Satan is your enemy- not God.
The sudden death would be better because she wouldn’t suffer and I would not have to watch her slowly break down.

the cruelty would be separating us for eternity.
 
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I'm not going to try.
If this wasn't the Christian advice forum and we were able to discuss I might ask how you know that God wasn't leading you to a different job. But I suspect that's all in the past for you anyway.
God doesn't "owe" people decent careers.
Before I tell you why I would like to ask how you think I would know God is doing that and how I would recognize what job he was leading me to?
 
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Before I tell you why I would like to ask how you think I would know God is doing that and how I would recognize what job he was leading me to?

Like I said, discussion not allowed in a thread where someone else is asking for advice.
Start a new thread in GT.
 
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God doesn’t lift a finger to help you here. I am not talking about comforting and encouraging words. I am talking about help that materially changes to situation. You can’t rely on Him for anything like that. Isn’t this a case of can’t trust Him in the little (this life), can’t trust Him with the much (eternity)?

Hello Questioning Brother,

I am sorry for your pain and suffering, but please understand that life is supposed to be tough and in many instances brutally tough. It is designed that way.

Nevertheless, the Bible does offer us a blueprint on how to handle life's challenges.

Step One: "Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you" (Matthew 7:7, NLT).

Step Two: "Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus" (1 Thessalonians 5:18, NLT).

My personal interpretation of Step One is as follows: Ask the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, for a solution to a specific problem, according to His will. Seek answers to the specific problem by gathering information about it. Knock the problem out by doing something about it.

My personal interpretation of Step Two is as follows: Everyday, thank God for all of the blessings in your life, no matter how small or mundane. In reality, it is often the small things that get us through in life.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Al A. Gammate
 
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The sudden death would be better because she wouldn’t suffer and I would not have to watch her slowly break down.

the cruelty would be separating us for eternity.
The only one who will separate you for eternity is you. God won't have you in His house if you don't want to be near Him and how can you blame Him? Would you want someone staying with you that you gave life to, blessed them with lots of good things, gave them a beautiful life partner and things that many people only dream of having only to have them hate you and resent you because they didn't get EVERYTHING in life they wanted but you had planned on giving them everything in the end? Sure it is hard now, but if you handle this the right way and keep the faith, you could have it all eternally. Don't blow it now just because you can't see God's final plan for you guys.
 
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It is like in the story of Joseph. The bad times have wiped out even the memory of what came before. The only hope for salvaging the relationship is God healing my wife. Without that, He doesn’t have enough.
 
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God doesn’t lift a finger to help you here. I am not talking about comforting and encouraging words. I am talking about help that materially changes to situation. You can’t rely on Him for anything like that. Isn’t this a case of can’t trust Him in the little (this life), can’t trust Him with the much (eternity)?

I know that this situation is hard for you. But you must have the attitude of Job.

Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.

These things are allowed by God to test our faithfulness. If we can maintain our faith, the end will be good.

Jasmes 5:11 Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful.

Although Job suffered from personal sickness, and the death of his family members, in the end God blessed him more than he had in the beginning.
 
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I know that this situation is hard for you. But you must have the attitude of Job.

Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.

These things are allowed by God to test our faithfulness. If we can maintain our faith, the end will be good.

Jasmes 5:11 Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful.

Although Job suffered from personal sickness, and the death of his family members, in the end God blessed him more than he had in the beginning.
A) I do not have the faith of Job. More Job’s wife.
B) the loss of the 1st set of kids in Job would have been a permanent wedge between me and God
C) I believe he is MUCH more merciful when He doesn’t make you endure
D) I would gladly give up blessings to not go through the pain
 
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It is like in the story of Joseph. The bad times have wiped out even the memory of what came before. The only hope for salvaging the relationship is God healing my wife. Without that, He doesn’t have enough.

But though He cause grief, yet will He have compassion according to the multitude of His mercies. Lamentations 3:33

What do you mean they wiped out the memory of what came before? Does that make it any less worthy of gratefulness? Maybe you don't have any good memories with her. I cannot believe you say they are wiped out. If you cannot remember what she was like before or the things you did together then in time you probably won't remember this either. You cannot give God ultimatums. Remember, He does not need us to be God. He can do just fine without any one of us and it won't phase Him a bit. Sure He wishes differently but He does not need us. He DOES see the big picture though, which is why we are not to question His ways.

There was a pastor who had always wanted a son and he finally had one, and the boy was his pride and joy. He lived for spending time with his kid and when he graduated 8 the grade the dad bought him a nice watch . When he was 16, another boy stabbed him and killed him in a back alley for the watch.
Devastated, and full of rage, the pastor needed more. He wanted to know why. Without saying who he was, the pastor befriended the kid who told him he felt bad about doing it, but his family was starving and he had sold the watch for $60 and bought food with it. When he left the kid, the Lord spoke to him and told him he wanted him to tell him about Jesus and share the gospel with him. The pastor said." Lord, I cannot. I hate that kid so much for taking my boy from me. I want him to die. I cannot preach to him when I hate him so much." That night an angel took him in the spirit up to heaven, and he saw a bunch of kids in white robes laughing and talking. He recognized his son, and got to hug him one last time. The angel then showed him a young man on a stage in a huge church full of people."Who is this?" " This is the boy you hate after you teach him the gospel, he will go on to help many others find the Lord and will be the key to their salvation through baptism and ministry".Then the angel took him to hell. He showed him another boy, burning in fire and hanging from a noose. " This is the same boy if you do not forgive him and he never learns of Jesus. His guilt will eat him alive and he will kill himself." Back in his bed, the pastor thought about it. He then found himself in a vision watching a man in his late 20's, drinking booze, robbing stores, and being loud and unruly. " Lord who is this?" " This would've been your son had he lived. He would have joined a gang of bad people, done some terrible things and would not have repented. He would have went to hell had he lived, so I brought him home before that. I want you to preach to the boy." It took everything but he befriended the boy again and told him who he was. He was shocked when the boy broke down in tears and sobbed, hugging him telling him how sorry he was and the Pastor hugged him and forgave him. The boy said " how? How can you forgive me?" The Pastor told him of Jesus. He went on to have a huge ministry. Sometimes, God's plan is the best plan for everyone, but we cannot tell that because of our limited sight. Like when a child dies a horrible death, but doctors are able to study her case and find solutions, and save millions. If it takes losing one for the purpose of saving many, is it worth it? Eventually yes because they will find their reward in heaven and once there, they will not remember anything about life on earth. Things will be so beautifully perfect in heaven, they won't want to! However those in hell remember everything about their lives on earth. Every word, every sin, every mistake. Over and over, it plays in their heads and upon entering hell, all the good is taken from their soul. All the love is removed from their being- all the happiness, humor, smiles and goodness. Gone. God is not in hell, so the things from Him are gone. So they hate in hell, they cry, they blame God, and curse Him. They grumble and scream. They thirst. They hunger for God, for light. For kindness. There is no compassion or Savior in hell. Just darkness.
 
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But though He cause grief, yet will He have compassion according to the multitude of His mercies. Lamentations 3:33

What do you mean they wiped out the memory of what came before? Does that make it any less worthy of gratefulness? Maybe you don't have any good memories with her. I cannot believe you say they are wiped out. If you cannot remember what she was like before or the things you did together then in time you probably won't remember this either. You cannot give God ultimatums. Remember, He does not need us to be God. He can do just fine without any one of us and it won't phase Him a bit. Sure He wishes differently but He does not need us. He DOES see the big picture though, which is why we are not to question His ways.

There was a pastor who had always wanted a son and he finally had one, and the boy was his pride and joy. He lived for spending time with his kid and when he graduated 8 the grade the dad bought him a nice watch . When he was 16, another boy stabbed him and killed him in a back alley for the watch.
Devastated, and full of rage, the pastor needed more. He wanted to know why. Without saying who he was, the pastor befriended the kid who told him he felt bad about doing it, but his family was starving and he had sold the watch for $60 and bought food with it. When he left the kid, the Lord spoke to him and told him he wanted him to tell him about Jesus and share the gospel with him. The pastor said." Lord, I cannot. I hate that kid so much for taking my boy from me. I want him to die. I cannot preach to him when I hate him so much." That night an angel took him in the spirit up to heaven, and he saw a bunch of kids in white robes laughing and talking. He recognized his son, and got to hug him one last time. The angel then showed him a young man on a stage in a huge church full of people."Who is this?" " This is the boy you hate after you teach him the gospel, he will go on to help many others find the Lord and will be the key to their salvation through baptism and ministry".Then the angel took him to hell. He showed him another boy, burning in fire and hanging from a noose. " This is the same boy if you do not forgive him and he never learns of Jesus. His guilt will eat him alive and he will kill himself." Back in his bed, the pastor thought about it. He then found himself in a vision watching a man in his late 20's, drinking booze, robbing stores, and being loud and unruly. " Lord who is this?" " This would've been your son had he lived. He would have joined a gang of bad people, done some terrible things and would not have repented. He would have went to hell had he lived, so I brought him home before that. I want you to preach to the boy." It took everything but he befriended the boy again and told him who he was. He was shocked when the boy broke down in tears and sobbed, hugging him telling him how sorry he was and the Pastor hugged him and forgave him. The boy said " how? How can you forgive me?" The Pastor told him of Jesus. He went on to have a huge ministry. Sometimes, God's plan is the best plan for everyone, but we cannot tell that because of our limited sight. Like when a child dies a horrible death, but doctors are able to study her case and find solutions, and save millions. If it takes losing one for the purpose of saving many, is it worth it? Eventually yes because they will find their reward in heaven and once there, they will not remember anything about life on earth. Things will be so beautifully perfect in heaven, they won't want to! However those in hell remember everything about their lives on earth. Every word, every sin, every mistake. Over and over, it plays in their heads and upon entering hell, all the good is taken from their soul. All the love is removed from their being- all the happiness, humor, smiles and goodness. Gone. God is not in hell, so the things from Him are gone. So they hate in hell, they cry, they blame God, and curse Him. They grumble and scream. They thirst. They hunger for God, for light. For kindness. There is no compassion or Savior in hell. Just darkness.
You misunderstand. The memories of her and the good times with her are fine. What has been wiped out are the memories of goodness from God. He has poisoned them with pain.
I have heard the pastor story before. I probably would have walked away from the murderer. I would want him to go to Hell.
 
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Yes. Test failed. Can we stop the testing now?

Well if you don’t have faith then why do you expect anything from Him? I understand your wife has been in a nursing home and you haven’t been able to see her November due to strokes but what happened back in January of 2017 to make you lose faith?
 
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I'll throw in my 2 cents. God is not a genie. Many become christian thinking their life is going to change for the best if they are saved. Like they won't have anymore problems. Thats not what being saved is about. Life is still going to be terrible at times no matter if your saved or not. Could he heal me? Yes. Has he? Not of everything. And thats ok. Maybe there is a lesson in that. Or maybe it's just meant to be. Heaven is where we don't have to worry about this stuff.

If my wife was like yours, I can honestly tell you I would be depressed and upset too. It wouldn't seem fair. But it is what it is. I'd have to still praise God because He is good regardless of what we think. We all pass on eventually, we all suffer. It's just part of life.
 
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You misunderstand. The memories of her and the good times with her are fine. What has been wiped out are the memories of goodness from God. He has poisoned them with pain.
I have heard the pastor story before. I probably would have walked away from the murderer. I would want him to go to Hell.
You would want someone to go to hell? I think you are in the wrong forum. I've got nothing else for you man. You are on your own. As for your wife , I pray the blood of Jesus Christ over her soul and hope she finds peace.
 
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I love God, no matter what. I had to take my dearly beloved to the emergency room today, blood clots. The helicopter took my loved one to a hospital very far away. I am all alone, feeling very sad tonight Except I know God is with me. I am praying for my loved one. Please, I pray but Thy Will be done. It is the Love of God that comforts me. It is the Love of God that gives me strength and hope. Everything passes away but God remains, Always. God is the foundation of my life. If I had nothing, no one, God would remain. He has never forsaken me, in good times and bad. It is all about Love, the love of God.
That is the promise of eternal life, no matter what happens, in life and death our Lord abides with me.


 
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God doesn’t lift a finger to help you here. I am not talking about comforting and encouraging words. I am talking about help that materially changes to situation. You can’t rely on Him for anything like that. Isn’t this a case of can’t trust Him in the little (this life), can’t trust Him with the much (eternity)?

But God has - and does - materially affect our human situation quite a lot. Of course, we don't get to direct Him as to when and how, but He does, nonetheless, regularly and materially intervene in human affairs. Your problem isn't whether or not God acts in this way but that you haven't the power to order His actions.
 
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