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Same law. There is no other law than God's that shows us we sin.

God's law shows us we sin and that we cannot be perfect. The Gospel shows us Jesus is sinless and that we should turn from self-serving according to our ways to serving Him according to His way - Faith.

The law - the only law - is not of Faith.
No one who keeps God's laws believes that's all there is for salvation. No one said we didn't need faith, in fact its been repeated multiples times. You just said it though, we should turn from self-serving ways which is sin. Sin is defined as breaking God's laws. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7
 
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What I disagree with is you saying the Decalogue is the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Nowhere in the passages you quote does it say that and the very fact that God did not want mankind to eat from that tree should be enough for us to know it is not right.

The law shows us that we sin. That is not the same as knowing good and evil.

Well then dear friend you disagree with Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine who are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me though only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).
 
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No one who keeps God's laws believes that's all that there is for salvation. No one said we didn't need faith, in fact its been repeated multiples times. You just said it though, we should turn from self-serving ways which is sin. Sin is defined as breaking God's laws. 1 John 3:4

Do you believe that keeping God's laws is a part of what you do for salvation?
 
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Do you believe that keeping God's laws is a part of what you do for salvation?
You keep God’s laws not to be saved, but becuase you are saved. God’s saints keeps God’s commandments. Revelations 14:12 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Well then dear friend you disagree with Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine who are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me though only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

There is a difference between knowing you are a sinner, and knowing God is righteous - versus knowing good and evil.

The law shows us our sin.

The law shows us God is righteous.

The law does not give us knowledge of good and evil. That is something God did not want Adam and Eve to have, but the Serpent in his 'crafty' ways convinced them they should have it.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Well then dear friend you disagree with Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine who are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me though only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29).
Your response here...
There is a difference between knowing you are a sinner, and knowing God is righteous - versus knowing good and evil. The law shows us our sin.
The law shows us God is righteous. The law does not give us knowledge of good and evil. That is something God did not want Adam and Eve to have, but the Serpent in his 'crafty' ways convinced them they should have it.
Sorry dear friend I respectfully disagree. There is no difference between knowing you are a sinner or what evil is as the scriptures in the post you are quoting from state that it is through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin (evil) is. We cannot know what sin is unless we know we have broken the 10 commandments or not believing and following God's Word according to the scriptures already shared with you. Like I said earlier, it seems you disagree with Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine who are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. I am sorry we will agree to disagree for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them and you have not provided any. Thank you for sharing your view though.
 
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Your response here...

Like I said earlier, it seems you disagree with Paul, James, John and the Psalmist who all are in agreement and say that it is through God's 10 commandments that we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. I am sorry we will agree to disagree for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them and you have not provided any. Thank you for sharing your view though.
I will never agree to disagree.

I do not disagree with anything written in the Bible. I have not posted anything that disagrees with them.

You seem to equate my disagreeing with you as disagreeing with them. Show me what it is I posted that is against what is written in the Bible.

I have shown how you are changing what the Bible says. Show how I am.

The Bible does not say we have the knowledge of good and evil from the law.
 
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Do you believe that keeping God's laws is a part of what you do for salvation?
Nathan, I am just wondering why you are asking this same question after it was already answered to you more than once now. Do you remember when you tried to insinuate this earlier in my thread here and I addressed it to you and told you exactly what it is I believe? I posted to you somewhere else that we believe that we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but the scriptures teach that Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith in *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law however, is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of the faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Now do you disagree with what I have posted here from the scriptures?
 
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I will never agree to disagree.

I do not disagree with anything written in the Bible. I have not posted anything that disagrees with them.

You seem to equate my disagreeing with you as disagreeing with them. Show me what it is I posted that is against what is written in the Bible.

I have shown how you are changing what the Bible says. Show how I am.

The Bible does not say we have the knowledge of good and evil from the law.
I already posted why I disagree with you Nathan in the post you are quoting from that your only part quoting. It is there for you to read. Your claiming that God's 10 commandments do not give us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness when Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. They are Gods' Words not my words are they not?
 
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You keep God’s laws not to be saved, but becuase you are saved. God’s saints keeps God’s commandments. Revelations 14:12 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

If you do not believe keeping the law is required for Salvation, then what is required for Salvation?
 
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I already posted why I disagree with you Nathan in the post you are quoting from that your only part quoting. It is there for you to read. Your claiming that God's 10 commandments do not give you the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness when Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. They are Gods' Words not my words are they not?
The law gives us knowledge of our sin. Do you agree?

The law gives us knowledge of Gods righteousness. Do you agree?
 
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LoveGodsWord said: I already posted why I disagree with you Nathan in the post you are quoting from that your only part quoting. It is there for you to read. Your claiming that God's 10 commandments do not give you the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness when Paul in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James in James 2:10-11, John in 1 John 3:4 and the Psalmist in Psalms 119:172 which are God's Word not mine are all in agreement that through Gods' 10 commandments we have the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. They are Gods' Words not my words are they not?
Your response here...
The law gives us knowledge of our sin. Do you agree? The law gives us knowledge of Gods righteousness. Do you agree?
What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying?
 
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If you do not believe keeping the law is required for Salvation, then what is required for Salvation?
I’m sure I answered this before, but we are saved through our faith. One of the characteristics (FRUITS) according to scriptures of God’s saints is they also keep the commandments of God. Revelations 14:12, Revelations 12:17, Revelations 22:14

We are also told this in Revelations22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

We do not keep God’s commandments to be saved, we keep them because Jesus asked and we love Him with all our hearts.
 
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Already answered here linked
I was not asking you, but since you answered with a link instead of directly I will follow up with a question for you.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
 
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I was not asking you, but since you answered with a link instead of directly I will follow up with a question for you. Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
Why? I have already answered your question in a detailed scripture response already. What does Proverbs 28:13; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 5:4 mean?
 
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I’m sure I answered this before, but we are saved through our faith. One of the characteristics (FRUITS) according to scriptures of God’s saints is they also keep the commandments of God. Revelations 14:12, Revelations 12:17, Revelations 22:14

We are also told this in Revelations22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

We do not keep God’s commandments to be saved, we keep them because Jesus asked and we love Him with all our hearts.

Since the law is not required for Salvation, only Faith is, then my previous point stands.

The law is not of Faith.

[Gal 3:12 ESV] But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."

I have never said anything different. Have I?
 
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Why? I have already answered your question in a detailed scripture response. Do you like hearing the same answer over and over?
It is a different question I asked.

If you do not want to answer it then it is your choice.

I'll ask again, just in case you would like to answer.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
 
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It is a different question I asked.

If you do not want to answer it then it is your choice.

I'll ask again, just in case you would like to answer.

Does someone have to obey the 10 Commandments before they can receive Salvation?
I think you missed the whole point.
 
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