WHAT IS THE REAL GOSPEL?

LoveGodsWord · Apr 4, 2021

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Part 2/2)

Can we have GRACE without God's LAW if the purpose of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172?

This same question is linked to what JESUS says to the Pharisees in MATTHEW 7.

MATTHEW 9:12-13
[12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

JESUS tells the PHARISEES to go learn what it means when he says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick; I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE ARE SINNERS IN NEED OF A SAVIOR? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE ARE SICK IN NEED OF A PHYSICIAN? JESUS is saying that it is these that he has come for NOT those that think they are RIGHTEOUSNESS and have no need. SIN is breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4

God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. The purpose of God's LAW is to show us that we are all sick with SIN and in need of a SAVIOR. God's LAW (10 commandments) lead us to the true PHYSICIAN JESUS so we can be healed. God's LAW is the mirror we look into to see ourselves as God sees us full of SIN from the INSIDE OUT.

It is God's LAW that leads us to cross of our LORD and SAVIOR where we behold the LOVE of GOD has for us in that while we were yet SINNERS Christ died for us that whosoever should BELIEVE on him should not PERISH but should have everlasting life *ROMANS 5:6-10; JOHN 3:15-16. God's LAW leads us to the CROSS of JESUS where we have our eyes opened to God's LOVE for us and to see JESUS dying for the sins that we have done in order to bring us back to GOD. This is God's gift to all who BELIEVE and accept the GIFT of JESUS, His DEATH for our SINS. The purpose of God's LAW is to lead us to CHRIST that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH by accepting his death for our SINS *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

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CONCLUSION: CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? The answer as shown in the scriptures above is NO! It is God's LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is God's LAW that leads us to God's GRACE found in his only begotten son that whosoever BELIEVES in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life. If is God's LAW that leads us to the CROSS that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH. If you do not know you are sick you have no need of a Physician. If we have no KNOWLEDGE of SIN we have no need of a Savior.

God bless.

HIM · Apr 4, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
My position is that newborn infants are sinners and need the mercy of God.
-CryptoLutheran

A new born infant is a sinner? Gez who told you that lie.

HIM · Apr 4, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
Even without knowledge of the Law we are condemned by it. Romans 2:12

-CryptoLutheran

May the Lord have mercy on us. To think error is one thing. But to share them is another matter.
Letters are meant to be read in context.

Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
What has a baby done?

Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Whether we recognize it is God or not, the Law, God's Word, His' righteousness is written in all our hearts.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above.
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

LoveGodsWord · Apr 4, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
Even without knowledge of the Law we are condemned by it. Romans 2:12 -CryptoLutheran

Romans 2:12 is to those who have sinned without law. The scriptures is not a reference to those who have not sinned or do not have a knowledge of what sin is according to James 4:17 and Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 as in the case of babies.

Nathan@work · Apr 4, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Part 2/2)

Can we have GRACE without God's LAW if the purpose of God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172?

This same question is linked to what JESUS says to the Pharisees in MATTHEW 7.

MATTHEW 9:12-13
[12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

JESUS tells the PHARISEES to go learn what it means when he says; They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick; I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE ARE SINNERS IN NEED OF A SAVIOR? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE ARE SICK IN NEED OF A PHYSICIAN? JESUS is saying that it is these that he has come for NOT those that think they are RIGHTEOUSNESS and have no need. SIN is breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4

God's LAW is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. The purpose of God's LAW is to show us that we are all sick with SIN and in need of a SAVIOR. God's LAW (10 commandments) lead us to the true PHYSICIAN JESUS so we can be healed. God's LAW is the mirror we look into to see ourselves as God sees us full of SIN from the INSIDE OUT.

It is God's LAW that leads us to cross of our LORD and SAVIOR where we behold the LOVE of GOD has for us in that while we were yet SINNERS Christ died for us that whosoever should BELIEVE on him should not PERISH but should have everlasting life *ROMANS 5:6-10; JOHN 3:15-16. God's LAW leads us to the CROSS of JESUS where we have our eyes opened to God's LOVE for us and to see JESUS dying for the sins that we have done in order to bring us back to GOD. This is God's gift to all who BELIEVE and accept the GIFT of JESUS, His DEATH for our SINS. The purpose of God's LAW is to lead us to CHRIST that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH by accepting his death for our SINS *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

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CONCLUSION: CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? The answer as shown in the scriptures above is NO! It is God's LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It is God's LAW that leads us to God's GRACE found in his only begotten son that whosoever BELIEVES in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life. If is God's LAW that leads us to the CROSS that we might be FORGIVEN by FAITH. If you do not know you are sick you have no need of a Physician. If we have no KNOWLEDGE of SIN we have no need of a Savior.

God bless.

Genesis 2:16-17 (ESV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Romans 8:2 (ESV)
For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

Those who were sick have been healed.

HIM · Apr 5, 2021

Nathan@work said:
Genesis 2:16-17 (ESV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Romans 8:2 (ESV)
For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

Those who were sick have been healed.

What is the Law of sin and death?

Nathan@work · Apr 5, 2021

HIM said:
What is the Law of sin and death?

[Rom 7:7-12 ESV]

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin.

For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."

But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness.

For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.

The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me.

For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Paul lets us know what 'law' he is speaking of. It would be the law given at Horeb based on the "You shall not covet" commandment.

The power of sin is to use the law to bring death to us.

There are two laws;

[1Co 9:20-21 ESV]

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews.

To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.

To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

HIM · Apr 5, 2021

Nathan@work said:
[Rom 7:7-12 ESV]

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin.

For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, "You shall not covet."

But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness.

For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.

The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me.

For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me.

So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Paul lets us know what 'law' he is speaking of. It would be the law given at Horeb based on the "You shall not covet" commandment.

The power of sin is to use the law to bring death to us.

There are two laws;

[1Co 9:20-21 ESV]

To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews.

To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.

To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

just to be clear, you think the Ten Commandments are the law of sin and death

Nathan@work · Apr 5, 2021

HIM said:
just to be clear, you think the Ten Commandments are the law of sin and death

I would not say it in those words.

However, the law given to the Nation of Israel, at Horeb, is the law that Paul is speaking of. All of it, not just some of it.

That law shows sin, and through that brings death.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

Nathan@work said:
I would not say it in those words.

However, the law given to the Nation of Israel, at Horeb, is the law that Paul is speaking of. All of it, not just some of it.

That law shows sin, and through that brings death.

The purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant according to the scriptures is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. The purpose of Gods' 10 commandments has the same role it always has and that is to given us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obeyed and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed *Romans 3:20. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness is defined as obedience to God's commandments in Psalms 119:172. For this reason Jesus says think not that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets I have not come to destroy them but to fulfill them. Till heaven and earth pass away there shall not one jot or tittle pass from the the law until all be fulfilled *Matthew 5:17-20. God's ISRAEL in the new covenant is no longer those in the flesh but all those who are born by faith through the Spirit according to the scriptures *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9 and are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-29; Romans 2:28-29. You are mistaken dear friend if you think you can have the Spirit of the law without first knowing the letter of the law. There are 10 commandments that show our duty of love to God and our fellow man *Matthew 22:46-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 and according to God's Word if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Now what is it that you do not believe?

Nathan@work · Apr 5, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
The purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant according to the scriptures is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. The purpose of Gods' 10 commandments has the same role it always has and that is to given us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obey and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed *Romans 3:20. Sin is defined in the scriptures are breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness is defined a obedience to God's commandments in Psalms 119:172. For this reason Jesus says think not that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets I have not come to destroy them but to fulfill them. Till heaven and earth pass away there shall not one jot or tittle pass from the the law until all be fulfilled *Matthew 5:17-20. God's ISRAEL in the new covenant is no longer those in the flesh but in the Spirit according to the scriptures and are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-29; Romans 2:28-29. You are mistaken dear friend if you think you can have the Spirit of the law without first knowing the letter of the law. There are 10 commandments that show our duty of love to God and our fellow man and according to God's Word if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin. Now what is it that you do not believe?

Genesis 2:16-17 (ESV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

Nathan@work said:
I am only disagreeing with your interpretation.

Yet here you are still not able to tell me what it is in the scriptures that have been shared with you that you disagree with. Let me ask you again specifically. What is it in the scriptures shared with you that you disagree with and why? If I know what it is you claim you disagree with it may help the discussion.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

LoveGodsWord said: ↑The purpose of God's law (10 commandments) in the new covenant according to the scriptures is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed. The purpose of Gods' 10 commandments has the same role it always has and that is to given us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obey and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed *Romans 3:20. Sin is defined in the scriptures are breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness is defined a obedience to God's commandments in Psalms 119:172. For this reason Jesus says think not that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets I have not come to destroy them but to fulfill them. Till heaven and earth pass away there shall not one jot or tittle pass from the the law until all be fulfilled *Matthew 5:17-20. God's ISRAEL in the new covenant is no longer those in the flesh but in the Spirit according to the scriptures and are now all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:27-29; Romans 2:28-29. You are mistaken dear friend if you think you can have the Spirit of the law without first knowing the letter of the law. There are 10 commandments that show our duty of love to God and our fellow man and according to God's Word if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin. Now what is it that you do not believe?

Your response here...

Nathan@work said:
Genesis 2:16-17 (ESV) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

What has the scripture you provided from Genesis 2:16-17 have to do with what are quoting from? Adam and Eve the parents of all mankind, ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (past tense) *Genesis 3:12-13 and sinned against God and now know good and evil according to the scriptures written in Genesis 3:22. Before the fall mankind only knew what good was and walked and talked with God.

Hope this is helpful

Nathan@work · Apr 5, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response here...

What has the scripture you provided from Genesis 2:16-17 have to do with what are quoting from? -Nothing. Adam and Eve the parents of all mankind, ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (past tense) *Genesis 3:12-13 and sinned against God and now know good and evil according to the scriptures written in Genesis 3:22. Before the fall mankind only knew what good was and walked and talked with God.

Hope this is helpful

It was a commandment, one you are telling others to break.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

Nathan@work said:
It was a commandment, one you are telling others to break.

I am sorry Nathan I got no idea what your talking about here. How can you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil when we are no longer in the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve already did eat of the tree sinning against God so giving them the knowledge of good and evil as the scriptures teach that have already been shared with you (see Genesis 3:12-24)? I am not telling anyone to break anyone of God's 10 commandments. You are mistaken (see the scriptures already provided to you in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Psalms 119:172)

Nathan@work · Apr 5, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
I am sorry Nathan I got no idea what your talking about. How can you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil when we are no longer in the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve already did so giving them the knowledge of good and evil (see Genesis 3:12-24)?

LoveGodsWord said:
The purpose of Gods' 10 commandments has the same role it always has and that is to given us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obey and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed

This is untrue.

Genesis 3:1 (ESV) Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

LoveGodsWord · Apr 5, 2021

Nathan@work said:
This is untrue.

Genesis 3:1 (ESV) Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

It seems God's Word disagrees with you here Nathan but let me show why as it may be helpful to the discussion. So let's bring our conversation to the light of the scriptures we are discussing and see if our claims match up to what the scriptures say and teach.

Genesis 3:1 has nothing to do with the scriptures already shared with you from the new testament that show the role of God's 10 commandments giving us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obeyed and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed. As posted earlier sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness is defined as obedience to God's commandments in Psalms 119:172.

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Are you claiming Paul is not telling the truth when he says...

Romans 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN

Romans 7:7 [7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. NO, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

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Or is James not telling the truth to us when he says...

James 2:10-11 [10], FOR WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

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Perhaps John got it wrong as well?

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

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These are God's Words not mine dear friend. So what is it here that was shared with you that you disagree with?

Hope this is helpful

HIM · Apr 6, 2021

Nathan@work said:
I would not say it in those words.

However, the law given to the Nation of Israel, at Horeb, is the law that Paul is speaking of. All of it, not just some of it.

That law shows sin, and through that brings death.

So all the Law of God is the Law of Sin and Death according to you. That would be incorrect, but you are not alone, Most people have problems understanding Romans 7 and misrepresent it. Here I pray the following helps.

Paul says He finds a law in verse 21. He says that this law is another law in verse 23 and that this law is that when he would do Good, evil is present with him. He says that He delights after the Law of God after (down in) the inner man, but this other law that he finds wars against the Law in his mind and then begins to call this other Law, the law of sin and says he is in captivity to it. It has become part of him, it is in his members. Remember Our Savior's words in John 8:34? He said " He that committeth sin is a servant to it." Paul in recognizing this then cries out, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" So we now have to things. We have the other law, the law of sin warring against the Law in His mind. And do to the captivity, the fact that we have no way of escape in and of ourselves we have the end result which is death. For the wages of sin is death, as was said earlier in chapter 6 verse 23. Then he makes a contrast between these to Laws. He thanks God that in His mind he is serving the Law of God, but sadly with his flesh the other law that he found, the law of sin. Which is captivity to it. For he that commits sin becomes a slave to it and suffers the end result which is death.

Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Nathan@work · Apr 6, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
It seems God's Word disagrees with you here Nathan but let me show why as it may be helpful to the discussion. So let's bring our conversation to the light of the scriptures we are discussing and see if our claims match up to what the scriptures say and teach.

Genesis 3:1 has nothing to do with the scriptures already shared with you from the new testament that show the role of God's 10 commandments giving us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) when obeyed and evil (moral wrong doing) when disobeyed. As posted earlier sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and righteousness is defined as obedience to God's commandments in Psalms 119:172.

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Are you claiming Paul is not telling the truth when he says...

Romans 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN

Romans 7:7 [7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. NO, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

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Or is James not telling the truth to us when he says...

James 2:10-11 [10], FOR WHOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.

...................

Perhaps John got it wrong as well?

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

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These are God's Words not mine dear friend. So what is it here that was shared with you that you disagree with?

Hope this is helpful

What I disagree with is you saying the Decalogue is the knowledge of Good and Evil.

Nowhere in the passages you quote does it say that and the very fact that God did not want mankind to eat from that tree should be enough for us to know it is not right.

The law shows us that we sin. That is not the same as knowing good and evil.

Nathan@work · Apr 6, 2021

HIM said:
So all the Law of God is the Law of Sin and Death according to you. That would be incorrect, but you are not alone, Most people have problems understanding Romans 7 and misrepresent it. Here I pray the following helps.

Paul says He finds a law in verse 21. He says that this law is another law in verse 23 and that this law is that when he would do Good, evil is present with him. He says that He delights after the Law of God after (down in) the inner man, but this other law that he finds wars against the Law in his mind and then begins to call this other Law, the law of sin and says he is in captivity to it. It has become part of him, it is in his members. Remember Our Savior's words in John 8:34? He said " He that committeth sin is a servant to it." Paul in recognizing this then cries out, "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" So we now have to things. We have the other law, the law of sin warring against the Law in His mind. And do to the captivity, the fact that we have no way of escape in and of ourselves we have the end result which is death. For the wages of sin is death, as was said earlier in chapter 6 verse 23. Then he makes a contrast between these to Laws. He thanks God that in His mind he is serving the Law of God, but sadly with his flesh the other law that he found, the law of sin. Which is captivity to it. For he that commits sin becomes a slave to it and suffers the end result which is death.

Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Same law. There is no other law than God's that shows us we sin.

God's law shows us we sin and that we cannot be perfect. The Gospel shows us Jesus is sinless and that we should turn from self-serving according to our ways to serving Him according to His way - Faith.

The law - the only law - is not of Faith.

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