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You are exemplifying the reason the letter kills.

When a person looks to the written law, they then turn away from the spoken one in their heart.

You cannot live by both.

Life comes through Faith. Death comes from the written law.

This does not mean the law is against Faith, it means the only way to obey God, the way He wants, is through Faith.

Faith will not take you down a path that is contrary to His law - but it will be contrary to the way people view the written law, even against what you in the flesh view the written law.

If you live by the written law you will die in your sin because it will be constantly working against you, but if you live by Faith you will put to death the sin in you because of the life that He provides in Faith.

To live by the Old Covenant is to reject The New One. You reject Christ when you live by the Mosaic law.

Do you think that God's goal in giving the Mosaic Law was to bring death to His children? In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, it is obedience to the law that brings life and a blessing while it is disobedience that brings death and a curse. The law against adultery written on stone does not command us to do something different when it is written our hearts, and the same goes for God's other laws. People incorrectly obeying the law is another issue, but there is difference between obeying the written law as intended by faith and obeying the law written our hearts by faith. Nowhere does the Bible say that if we live by the written law, then we will die in our sin, but rather it says obedience to it brings life, while it is refusing to live by the written law that leads to death. I have not suggested that we should live under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather I have spoken about how we should live under the New Covenant. Christ taught how to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so it is completely absurd to think that we reject Christ by following what he called us to obey.

There are a lot of things that don’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense why God would but one single tree in the Garden, that they could not eat from, and tell them not to eat it.

It doesn’t make sense that the serpent was even allowed in the garden to tempt them.

Everything has a reason. The law had a purpose, it was a testimony - against us and for God.

We do not reject the Mosaic law, we reject it being our guide. It was never the guide of the people, the Ark was. They were supposed to keep watch of the Ark.

This was all to point to Christ. When you focus on the law you cannot focus on the fullness of Christ. When you focus on the law you are focusing on the power of sin.

God wants our attention on Him alone. He wants us to rest in Him.

The actions God takes invite us to ponder what they teach us about Him, but God taking actions that don't make sense to us is different from saying that we should hold interpretations of the Bible that don't make sense. Interpretations of the Bible that make sense and that are in accordance with the surrounding and broader context of Scripture should be preferred over ones that don't.

When parents give rules to their children, their goal is not so that they can have justification for getting to punish them, but rather their goal is to give them rules that are for their own good that will teach them how to rightly live and be a blessing to them, and this is that much more true of our Heavenly Father (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).

God's righteous laws teach us about Christ's righteousness and how to testify about His righteousness, so when we do that in obedience them, we are experiencing who Christ is, or in other words we are growing in a relationship with him through gaining experiential knowledge of him. We are also testifying about what to believe to be true about who Christ is, or in other words, we are believing in him, and putting our faith in him as the model for how we should rightly live our lives. So all of God's laws point us to Christ and a relationship with him is the goal of the law (Romans 10:4). The Mosaic Law was given to testify about the fullness of Christ, so refusing to focus on it is refusing to focus on the fulness of Christ.

In Romans 7:7, it says that God's law is not sinful, therefore it is not the power of sin, but rather in Romans 7:12, it is the power of holiness, righteousness, and goodness, while it is the law of sin that is the power of sin. In Romans 7:25, Paul directly contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin.
 
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Do you think that God's goal in giving the Mosaic Law was to bring death to His children? In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, it is obedience to the law that brings life and a blessing while it is disobedience that brings death and a curse. The law against adultery written on stone does not command us to do something different when it is written our hearts, and the same goes for God's other laws. People incorrectly obeying the law is another issue, but there is difference between obeying the written law as intended by faith and obeying the law written our hearts by faith. Nowhere does the Bible say that if we live by the written law, then we will die in our sin, but rather it says obedience to it brings life, while it is refusing to live by the written law that leads to death. I have not suggested that we should live under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather I have spoken about how we should live under the New Covenant. Christ taught how to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so it is completely absurd to think that we reject Christ by following what he called us to obey.



The actions God takes invite us to ponder what they teach us about Him, but God taking actions that don't make sense to us is different from saying that we should hold interpretations of the Bible that don't make sense. Interpretations of the Bible that make sense and that are in accordance with the surrounding and broader context of Scripture should be preferred over ones that don't.

When parents give rules to their children, their goal is not so that they can have justification for getting to punish them, but rather their goal is to give them rules that are for their own good that will teach them how to rightly live and be a blessing to them, and this is that much more true of our Heavenly Father (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).

God's righteous laws teach us about Christ's righteousness and how to testify about His righteousness, so when we do that in obedience them, we are experiencing who Christ is, or in other words we are growing in a relationship with him through gaining experiential knowledge of him. We are also testifying about what to believe to be true about who Christ is, or in other words, we are believing in him, and putting our faith in him as the model for how we should rightly live our lives. So all of God's laws point us to Christ and a relationship with him is the goal of the law (Romans 10:4). The Mosaic Law was given to testify about the fullness of Christ, so refusing to focus on it is refusing to focus on the fulness of Christ.

In Romans 7:7, it says that God's law is not sinful, therefore it is not the power of sin, but rather in Romans 7:12, it is the power of holiness, righteousness, and goodness, while it is the law of sin that is the power of sin. In Romans 7:25, Paul directly contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin.
No, the goal of the law was to show them their sin - to show them they were dead in their knowledge of Him. To show them they always go astray in their hearts.

It was to show them that God demand perfection and nothing less is acceptable.

It was to confine them, set them apart as a nation, through who the Savior of the World would come.

It was given to them, as a nation, for a specific purpose, and that purpose was fulfilled in Christ.

Just because we do not live under it does not mean we are against it. The righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled by those who walk in Faith being led by His Spirit.

The law is the power of sin;

1 Corinthians 15:56 (ESV)
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

The reason it is the power of sin is the same reason the consumption of the tree in the Garden brought them death. Knowledge of good and evil will always bring death unless you know all. It is impossible for humans to know all.

God wants us to listen directly to Him. The law shows are imperfection, our sin, and was given to that nation for that specific purpose.
 
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No, the goal of the law was to show them their sin - to show them they were dead in their knowledge of Him. To show them they always go astray in their hearts.

It was to show them that God demand perfection and nothing less is acceptable.

It was to confine them, set them apart as a nation, through who the Savior of the World would come.

It was given to them, as a nation, for a specific purpose, and that purpose was fulfilled in Christ.

Just because we do not live under it does not mean we are against it. The righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled by those who walk in Faith being led by His Spirit.

The law is the power of sin;

1 Corinthians 15:56 (ESV)
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

The reason it is the power of sin is the same reason the consumption of the tree in the Garden brought them death. Knowledge of good and evil will always bring death unless you know all. It is impossible for humans to know all.

God wants us to listen directly to Him. The law shows are imperfection, our sin, and was given to that nation for that specific purpose.

A relationship with Christ is the goal of the law (Romans 10:4). The point of revealing our sin is to lead us to repent and back to obedience through faith in Christ. The mark is God's nature, God's law is His instructions for how to testify about His nature, sin is missing the mark, sin is the transgression of the law, and the purpose of revealing that we are missing the mark is to teach us how to hit the mark.

Nowhere does the the Bible say that the law requires us to have perfect obedience, but rather the law itself came with instructions for what to do when the people sinned. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have already come short of perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that perfect obedience is not a requirement. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. Thinking that God demanded perfect obedience would mean that God essentially gave the law with the goal of cursing His children, which is expressing an extremely negative view of God, when in reality God's law was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's nature, which ahs been revealed through God's law. If we were not under it, then we would have no obligation to refrain from sin, we would have no need of Jesus to have given us to redeem us from all lawlessness, and we would have no need of salvation.

In Romans 7:7, it says that God's law is not sinful, however, 1 Corinthians 15:56 is referring to a law that is sinful, therefore it is not referring to God's law, but rather it is the law of sin that is the strength of sin. In Romans 7:12-13, Paul said that God's law is good and that it is not what was good that brought death to him, yet that is what you are trying to blame because you are not distinguishing between which law is being spoken about. Indeed, God wants us to listen to Him and part of that includes obeying His law.
 
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A relationship with Christ is the goal of the law (Romans 10:4). The point of revealing our sin is to lead us to repent and back to obedience through faith in Christ. The mark is God's nature, God's law is His instructions for how to testify about His nature, sin is missing the mark, sin is the transgression of the law, and the purpose of revealing that we are missing the mark is to teach us how to hit the mark.

Nowhere does the the Bible say that the law requires us to have perfect obedience, but rather the law itself came with instructions for what to do when the people sinned. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have already come short of perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that perfect obedience is not a requirement. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. Thinking that God demanded perfect obedience would mean that God essentially gave the law with the goal of cursing His children, which is expressing an extremely negative view of God, when in reality God's law was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome.

The existence of sin requires there to be a standard of what is and is not sin, and that standard is God's nature, which ahs been revealed through God's law. If we were not under it, then we would have no obligation to refrain from sin, we would have no need of Jesus to have given us to redeem us from all lawlessness, and we would have no need of salvation.

In Romans 7:7, it says that God's law is not sinful, however, 1 Corinthians 15:56 is referring to a law that is sinful, therefore it is not referring to God's law, but rather it is the law of sin that is the strength of sin. In Romans 7:12-13, Paul said that God's law is good and that it is not what was good that brought death to him, yet that is what you are trying to blame because you are not distinguishing between which law is being spoken about. Indeed, God wants us to listen to Him and part of that includes obeying His law.

Faith in Christ is ultimate reason for the law.

Once a person has Faith, the law has done its work.

The one who lives under the written letter of the law shows that Faith has not come yet.

Christ is the end - final point - of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes. Not some, not in part - in full.

There is only one law. It was given to increase the trespass. It, and it alone, is what gives power to sin. Without it, sin is powerless.

Romans 5:20-21 (ESV) Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Faith, the power of righteousness, comes through grace.

The written letter of the law is not of Faith.
 
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Faith in Christ is ultimate reason for the law.

Once a person has Faith, the law has done its work.

The one who lives under the written letter of the law shows that Faith has not come yet.

Christ is the end - final point - of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes. Not some, not in part - in full.

There is only one law. It was given to increase the trespass. It, and it alone, is what gives power to sin. Without it, sin is powerless.

Romans 5:20-21 (ESV) Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Faith, the power of righteousness, comes through grace.

The written letter of the law is not of Faith.

Indeed, the law teaches us how to have faith in Christ, though we must continue to live by faith by living in obedience to the law. Nowhere does the Bible say that the one who lives under the law shows that faith has not come yet, so you're just making that up.

In John 5:46-47, Jesus said that if they believed Moses they they would believe him because Moses wrote about him, but they do not believe his writings, then how can they believe his words? So we can't believe Jesus without also believing Moses. In Luke 24:27, Jesus began with Moses and the Prophets interpreting to them all of the things in Scripture concerning himself. In Hebrews 10:7, the volume of the scroll is written about Jesus. So everything in the law is directed at or points toward Jesus and a relationship with him is the goal at which the law aims.

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge, so they failed to attain righteousness because the pursued the law as though righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith, for Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, and in regard to what we are submitting to obey when we confess that Jesus is Lord, so nothing in the either the surrounding or the broader context has anything to do with Jesus being the end point of the law, but just the opposite. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law, so saying that he is the end point of the law is calling him a liar.

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, so if you assume that he was always speaking about God's law, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand him. For example, in Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 7:21-25, he said that he delighted in obeying God's law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive. If Romans 7:4-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and that he delighted in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive. In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law is not sinful, but how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, which means that it is the opposite of God's law. So verses that speak about a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying God's law are referring to the law of sin, such as in Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law, so if you disagree that it is of faith, then you can take it up with him. If you think that God can be trusted to guide you in how to live, then you will obey His law, if not, then you won't. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is how Jesus is gracious to us.
 
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Hello you and have you ever came across this scripture?

2 Corinthians 3:6 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.​

What does the word of God, kill?

Why does the letter killeth?

What is the letter killing?

Why would the letter kill the spirit if that is the probably effect?

Have you ever noticed this verse in the text, now in Hebrews 4:12 it talks about how the bible (letter) word of God, is sharper than the sharpest two-edge sword.

Why?

Why is it that the word of God can be used, as though a an medieval solider equipped with a sword which is drawn to the neck of his enemy ready to slice the neck at any given moment?

Mishandled understanding?

Lost in translation, and teachings from others who believe they know but do not know truly what the word of God is saying?

Why does the spirit give life?

How come the spirit is the only way to gain life?

How do you live by the spirit?

Who gives the spirit?

Why do we even need the spirit?

Does the spirit transform us?

Does anyone have any answers to these questions!?
The letter of the law kills because it can only tell us how we should be, what righteousness “looks like”, without giving us the power to achieve it. Only the Spirit, only God, can do that.

We must change on the inside first of all, then the outside will be clean (Matt 23:26). And this means only one thing: we must recognize our need for God first and turn to Him in faith when we hear Him calling. IOW, the law only serves as a teacher that tells us what’s wrong with us, that we’re failures at being righteous; it can only convict and condemn us of sin.

Simply put, only to the extent that we love is the law authentically fulfilled in us, and only God can accomplish that work of love in us. We don’t impress God and gain life by our obedience to the law, rather we come to God first in humility and then He produces obedience in us. “Apart from Me you can do nothing” (John 15:5).
 
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Indeed, the law teaches us how to have faith in Christ, though we must continue to live by faith by living in obedience to the law. Nowhere does the Bible say that the one who lives under the law shows that faith has not come yet, so you're just making that up.

In John 5:46-47, Jesus said that if they believed Moses they they would believe him because Moses wrote about him, but they do not believe his writings, then how can they believe his words? So we can't believe Jesus without also believing Moses. In Luke 24:27, Jesus began with Moses and the Prophets interpreting to them all of the things in Scripture concerning himself. In Hebrews 10:7, the volume of the scroll is written about Jesus. So everything in the law is directed at or points toward Jesus and a relationship with him is the goal at which the law aims.

In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge, so they failed to attain righteousness because the pursued the law as though righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith, for Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, this faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 in regard to saying that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, and in regard to what we are submitting to obey when we confess that Jesus is Lord, so nothing in the either the surrounding or the broader context has anything to do with Jesus being the end point of the law, but just the opposite. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the law, so saying that he is the end point of the law is calling him a liar.

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, so if you assume that he was always speaking about God's law, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand him. For example, in Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, and in Romans 7:21-25, he said that he delighted in obeying God's law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive. If Romans 7:4-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and that he delighted in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive. In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law is not sinful, but how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, which means that it is the opposite of God's law. So verses that speak about a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying God's law are referring to the law of sin, such as in Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law, so if you disagree that it is of faith, then you can take it up with him. If you think that God can be trusted to guide you in how to live, then you will obey His law, if not, then you won't. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, so that is how Jesus is gracious to us.

[Gal 3:10-14 ESV] For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-- so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Simple black and white if you prefer it that way. Not my own opinion. Paul is directly talking about the Mosaic law - not some obscure one.

Life comes through Christ alone, not through the law. Cursed is everyone who does not abide by the whole law and does not do them.

If you choose to live by the law, and you break one little law, one single almost minute detail of it - you are guilty of breaking the whole thing.

That is why Faith is not of the law. Faith is that Christ fulfilled the law - perfectly. Those of us with Faith trust - rest - in Him alone.

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen. That is the opposite of what the law is. The law is not something hoped for, and it is very well seen.

Faith does not disobey God, in fact, it is the very opposite. Faith is the only true obedience to God because in Faith grace is manifest. There is no grace in the law.
 
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[Gal 3:10-14 ESV] For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-- so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law, so the Mosaic Law is of faith. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law that was of works with a law that was of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said in 3:31 that our faith upholds the Mosaic Law, so again the Mosaic Law is of faith and Paul contrasted the Mosaic Law with works of the law. In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith in God, unlike the Mosaic Law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer a manner of living that is not in obedience to it. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy, so to put our faith in the Mosaic Law is to put our faith in the Lawgiver, while to deny that it is of faith is to deny the faithfulness of the Lawgiver. If we think that God can be trusted to guide us in how to rightly live, then we should consider His law to be of faith.

Simple black and white if you prefer it that way. Not my own opinion. Paul is directly talking about the Mosaic law - not some obscure one.

It is very much your opinion that the law Paul was referring to was the Mosaic Law. If Paul had been doing that, then he would have been directly contradicting Jesus in Matthew 23:23 and himself in Romans 3:31.

Life comes through Christ alone, not through the law. Cursed is everyone who does not abide by the whole law and does not do them.

Christ said that if we want to enter eternal life, then obey the commandments (Matthew 19:17). Life coming through following what Christ taught is life coming through Christ alone. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience to brings life and a blessing while it is disobedience that brings death and a curse, so choose life! If you think that not abiding by God's law brings a curse, then you should choose life instead by obeying it.

If you choose to live by the law, and you break one little law, one single almost minute detail of it - you are guilty of breaking the whole thing.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late, and he was not discouraging them from trying to obey the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying God's law more consistently. If we break any law and become guilty of being a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience through faith.

That is why Faith is not of the law. Faith is that Christ fulfilled the law - perfectly. Those of us with Faith trust - rest - in Him alone.

To say that faith is not of the law is to deny the faithfulness of the Lawgiver. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.

Jesus lived in obedience to Mosaic Law and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to refuse to follow him. By saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, so obedience to it is the way to find rest in Christ alone.

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen. That is the opposite of what the law is. The law is not something hoped for, and it is very well seen.

Faith does not disobey God, in fact, it is the very opposite. Faith is the only true obedience to God because in Faith grace is manifest. There is no grace in the law.[/QUOTE]

Every example of faith listed in Hebrews 11 is also an example of someone living in obedience to God, so try to use that verse to say that obedience to God is the opposite of faith is absurd. If faith does not disobey God, and God commanded the Mosaic Law, then our faith leads us to obey it.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His ways that he might know him, and there are many verses that describe the Law of Moses as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others. Likewise, in Psalms 119:29, David wanted to put false ways far from him and for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses. In 2 Peter 3:17-18, not being carried away by the error of lawless men down the way to destruction is contrasted with growing in grace and knowledge of Christ. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is what the Mosaic Law was given to instruct how to do. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In John 1:16-17, it says grace upon grace, so the grace of Christ was added upon the grace of the Mosaic Law. In Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a license for immorality. Strong’s defines “grace” as "the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life” and when God's will is reflected in our lives, it takes the form of obedience to His law (Psalms 40:8). So grace is the power of God to overcome lawlessness in our lives and God graciously teaching us to obey His law is itself part of the content of His free gift of salvation.
 
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In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law, so the Mosaic Law is of faith. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law that was of works with a law that was of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said in 3:31 that our faith upholds the Mosaic Law, so again the Mosaic Law is of faith and Paul contrasted the Mosaic Law with works of the law. In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith in God, unlike the Mosaic Law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer a manner of living that is not in obedience to it. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy, so to put our faith in the Mosaic Law is to put our faith in the Lawgiver, while to deny that it is of faith is to deny the faithfulness of the Lawgiver. If we think that God can be trusted to guide us in how to rightly live, then we should consider His law to be of faith.



It is very much your opinion that the law Paul was referring to was the Mosaic Law. If Paul had been doing that, then he would have been directly contradicting Jesus in Matthew 23:23 and himself in Romans 3:31.



Christ said that if we want to enter eternal life, then obey the commandments (Matthew 19:17). Life coming through following what Christ taught is life coming through Christ alone. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience to brings life and a blessing while it is disobedience that brings death and a curse, so choose life! If you think that not abiding by God's law brings a curse, then you should choose life instead by obeying it.



In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they needed to have perfect obedience because that would have already been too late, and he was not discouraging them from trying to obey the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying God's law more consistently. If we break any law and become guilty of being a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience through faith.



To say that faith is not of the law is to deny the faithfulness of the Lawgiver. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.

Jesus lived in obedience to Mosaic Law and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to refuse to follow him. By saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, so obedience to it is the way to find rest in Christ alone.



Faith does not disobey God, in fact, it is the very opposite. Faith is the only true obedience to God because in Faith grace is manifest. There is no grace in the law.

Every example of faith listed in Hebrews 11 is also an example of someone living in obedience to God, so try to use that verse to say that obedience to God is the opposite of faith is absurd. If faith does not disobey God, and God commanded the Mosaic Law, then our faith leads us to obey it.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His ways that he might know him, and there are many verses that describe the Law of Moses as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, and many others. Likewise, in Psalms 119:29, David wanted to put false ways far from him and for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses. In 2 Peter 3:17-18, not being carried away by the error of lawless men down the way to destruction is contrasted with growing in grace and knowledge of Christ. In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is what the Mosaic Law was given to instruct how to do. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith. In John 1:16-17, it says grace upon grace, so the grace of Christ was added upon the grace of the Mosaic Law. In Jude 1:4, the ungodly pervert God's grace into a license for immorality. Strong’s defines “grace” as "the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life” and when God's will is reflected in our lives, it takes the form of obedience to His law (Psalms 40:8). So grace is the power of God to overcome lawlessness in our lives and God graciously teaching us to obey His law is itself part of the content of His free gift of salvation.[/QUOTE]

I won't be reading any more of your posts. If, as a Christian, you want to put yourself under the Mosaic law, you are rejecting the Lord's sacrifice.

Bye.
 
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I won't be reading any more of your posts. If, as a Christian, you want to put yourself under the Mosaic law, you are rejecting the Lord's sacrifice.

Bye.

The Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142), so you are free to reject the truth if you want, but it won't benefit you. Christ followed the Mosaic Law and being a Christian is about following Christ. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is what it means to believe in what Christ accomplished on the cross (Acts 21:20), while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is what would be rejecting his sacrifice.
 
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The Mosaic Law is truth (Psalms 119:142), so you are free to reject the truth if you want, but it won't benefit you. Christ followed the Mosaic Law and being a Christian is about following Christ. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is what it means to believe in what Christ accomplished on the cross (Acts 21:20), while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is what would be rejecting his sacrifice.

Right, following Christ (through the Spirit) is what we do, and in doing so we uphold the truth because He fulfilled it.

There is no rejection of truth by the person of Faith. That is for sure.

Obedience is to the Spirit of God. Nothing more, nothing less. If you are being obedient to something else, then you are not obedient to Him.

[Gal 5:4 ESV] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
 
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Right, following Christ (through the Spirit) is what we do, and in doing so we uphold the truth because He fulfilled it.

There is no rejection of truth by the person of Faith. That is for sure.

Obedience is to the Spirit of God. Nothing more, nothing less. If you are being obedient to something else, then you are not obedient to Him.

God's nature is truth. The Bible often uses the same terms to describe the nature of God as it does to describe the nature of the Mosaic Law, so the Mosaic Law is truth because it is God's instructions for how to express His nature (Psalms 119:142). Jesus is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), so he is the truth made flesh and he showed the nature of the Father through his works in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law, which is why he could say everything that he did in John 14:6-11. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law, in John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, and again the Mosaic Law is truth. In John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of the Mosaic Law that puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free. In John 17:17, God’s word is truth, and the Mosaic Law is God’s word. In 2 Timothy 3:8, those who oppose the truth also oppose Moses, being of corrupted minds, and disqualified in regard to the faith. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit is given to those who obey God.

[Gal 5:4 ESV] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against following Christ and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we will follow Christ. Likewise, in Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, so that it what it means to be under grace, not the way to fall from grace. It would be absurd to think that David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace. Christ taught how to follow the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ, but with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified.
 
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The law was to keep those until Faith came. Plain and simple.

If you choose to be under the law you are responsible to keep all of it, not just what you decide to.

If you break one, you have broken them all.

Tell me Soyeong, do you keep the law perfectly?

I do. Do you know how? By Faith in Christ. He fulfilled them because I could not.

I rest in His work, and follow however He chooses to lead me. He has never led me contrary to His law.

He will lead you too, if you will not reject Him.
 
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The law was to keep those until Faith came. Plain and simple.

If you choose to be under the law you are responsible to keep all of it, not just what you decide to.

If you break one, you have broken them all.

Tell me Soyeong, do you keep the law perfectly?

I do. Do you know how? By Faith in Christ. He fulfilled them because I could not.

I rest in His work, and follow however He chooses to lead me. He has never led me contrary to His law.

He will lead you too, if you will not reject Him.

Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor. The law leads us to Christ because everything in it testifies about how to grow in a relationship with him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject what Christ taught and go back to living in sin.

Unbelievers need to repent from doing what God's law has revealed even though they aren't under the New Covenant, so there is nothing about not being under the Mosaic Covenant that means that we don't need to repent from doing what God's law has revealed to be sin. God is sovereign, so nobody gets a choice of whether they want to be under God's law, but the choice we do get to make is whether or not we are going to repent and obey.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they they were keeping the law perfectly, he was not telling them that they needed to keep the law perfectly because that would have already been too late, and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying the law more consistently. If we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience by faith, which was precisely what James was encouraging them to do. So that passage has nothing to do with the need for perfect obedience, and to make it about that is to blatantly rip it out of context.

I don't keep the law perfectly, but there has never been a requirement for me to do so. Even if I managed to live in perfect obedience to the law, then I still would not earn by righteousness by it because it was never given as a means of doing that. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law because we couldn't, but rather he did so in part so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so while Jesus was the only one who kept the law perfectly, he was one of countless people who have fulfilled it.

In Hebrews 4:11, it says that we should strive to enter into God's rest so that no o ne may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so saying that you rest in his works to justify the same sort of disobedience is exactly the opposite of what was being said. The way to reject Jesus is by rejecting the law that he taught by word and by example, which was given to testify about who he is.
 
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Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor. The law leads us to Christ because everything in it testifies about how to grow in a relationship with him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject what Christ taught and go back to living in sin.

Unbelievers need to repent from doing what God's law has revealed even though they aren't under the New Covenant, so there is nothing about not being under the Mosaic Covenant that means that we don't need to repent from doing what God's law has revealed to be sin. God is sovereign, so nobody gets a choice of whether they want to be under God's law, but the choice we do get to make is whether or not we are going to repent and obey.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they they were keeping the law perfectly, he was not telling them that they needed to keep the law perfectly because that would have already been too late, and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying the law more consistently. If we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience by faith, which was precisely what James was encouraging them to do. So that passage has nothing to do with the need for perfect obedience, and to make it about that is to blatantly rip it out of context.

I don't keep the law perfectly, but there has never been a requirement for me to do so. Even if I managed to live in perfect obedience to the law, then I still would not earn by righteousness by it because it was never given as a means of doing that. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law because we couldn't, but rather he did so in part so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so while Jesus was the only one who kept the law perfectly, he was one of countless people who have fulfilled it.

In Hebrews 4:11, it says that we should strive to enter into God's rest so that no o ne may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so saying that you rest in his works to justify the same sort of disobedience is exactly the opposite of what was being said. The way to reject Jesus is by rejecting the law that he taught by word and by example, which was given to testify about who he is.

The law demands perfection. Anything less is sin.

Romans 8:3-4 (ESV) For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

You cannot walk according to the Spirit if you are walking according to the flesh. The written law is according to the flesh.
 
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Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor. The law leads us to Christ because everything in it testifies about how to grow in a relationship with him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject what Christ taught and go back to living in sin.

Unbelievers need to repent from doing what God's law has revealed even though they aren't under the New Covenant, so there is nothing about not being under the Mosaic Covenant that means that we don't need to repent from doing what God's law has revealed to be sin. God is sovereign, so nobody gets a choice of whether they want to be under God's law, but the choice we do get to make is whether or not we are going to repent and obey.

In James 2:1-11, he was speaking to people who had sinned by showing favoritism, so he was not telling them that they they were keeping the law perfectly, he was not telling them that they needed to keep the law perfectly because that would have already been too late, and he was not discouraging them from trying to keep the law, but rather he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying the law more consistently. If we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience by faith, which was precisely what James was encouraging them to do. So that passage has nothing to do with the need for perfect obedience, and to make it about that is to blatantly rip it out of context.

I don't keep the law perfectly, but there has never been a requirement for me to do so. Even if I managed to live in perfect obedience to the law, then I still would not earn by righteousness by it because it was never given as a means of doing that. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus fulfilled the law because we couldn't, but rather he did so in part so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so while Jesus was the only one who kept the law perfectly, he was one of countless people who have fulfilled it.

In Hebrews 4:11, it says that we should strive to enter into God's rest so that no o ne may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so saying that you rest in his works to justify the same sort of disobedience is exactly the opposite of what was being said. The way to reject Jesus is by rejecting the law that he taught by word and by example, which was given to testify about who he is.
To reject Jesus is to reject what God sent Him to do.

Those who do not rest from their work are rejecting Christ.
 
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[QUOTE="Soyeong, post: 75867210, member: 375022”]
According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so while Jesus was the only one who kept the law perfectly, he was one of countless people who have fulfilled it.
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Anyone who has broken the law, if even one time, has broken it all - for all time.

It’s not a balance beam. God demands perfection.

Only Christ was perfect.
 
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The law demands perfection. Anything less is sin.

The law itself came with instructions for what to do when we sin, so it did not demand perfection. If we sin, then we need to repent, but if the law demanded perfection, then we would not be permitted to repent, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that it does not demand perfection. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. Thinking that God demanded perfect obedience would mean that God essentially gave the law with the goal of cursing His children, which is expressing an extremely poor opinion of God, when in reality it was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).

Romans 8:3-4 (ESV) For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

You cannot walk according to the Spirit if you are walking according to the flesh. The written law is according to the flesh.

Nowhere does the Bible describe obeying God's law as works of the flesh, but rather that always refers to disobedience to it. In fact, in Romans 8:4-7, it goes on to contrast those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh, who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it. After all, the Mosaic Law was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it is the Law of the Spirit.

To reject Jesus is to reject what God sent Him to do.

Those who do not rest from their work are rejecting Christ.

Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23) and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of Christ. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. In Titus 2:11-14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is what it means to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross. So everything that Jesus was sent to accomplish through his ministry by what he taught by word and by example and what he was sent to accomplish through the cross was to lead us to repent and obey the Mosaic Law, which means that rejecting the Mosaic Law is rejecting what God sent him to do. The way that we find our rest in Christ is by obeying the Mosaic Law (Matthew 11:28-30, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Hebrews 4:11).

Anyone who has broken the law, if even one time, has broken it all - for all time.

It’s not a balance beam. God demands perfection.

Only Christ was perfect.

Why do you think that God called for repentance all throughout the Bible if He demanded perfection? God either calls us to repent or demands perfection, so which one do you think that He does? You can't have it both ways.
 
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The law itself came with instructions for what to do when we sin, so it did not demand perfection. If we sin, then we need to repent, but if the law demanded perfection, then we would not be permitted to repent, so the fact that repentance has value demonstrates that it does not demand perfection. In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. Thinking that God demanded perfect obedience would mean that God essentially gave the law with the goal of cursing His children, which is expressing an extremely poor opinion of God, when in reality it was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).



Nowhere does the Bible describe obeying God's law as works of the flesh, but rather that always refers to disobedience to it. In fact, in Romans 8:4-7, it goes on to contrast those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh, who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it. After all, the Mosaic Law was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it is the Law of the Spirit.



Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand (Matthew 4:17-23) and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of Christ. Furthermore, Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. In Titus 2:11-14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is what it means to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross. So everything that Jesus was sent to accomplish through his ministry by what he taught by word and by example and what he was sent to accomplish through the cross was to lead us to repent and obey the Mosaic Law, which means that rejecting the Mosaic Law is rejecting what God sent him to do. The way that we find our rest in Christ is by obeying the Mosaic Law (Matthew 11:28-30, Jeremiah 6:16-19, Hebrews 4:11).



Why do you think that God called for repentance all throughout the Bible if He demanded perfection? God either calls us to repent or demands perfection, so which one do you think that He does? You can't have it both ways.
God calls us to Faith. The law is not of Faith.

To repent is to turn from our idea of what God wants, and to turn to Him for direction through Faith.

You have not repented unless you turn away from the law to Him in Faith.

Living unrepentant is living under the law.

Turn to Christ and have life.
 
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God calls us to Faith. The law is not of Faith.

To repent is to turn from our idea of what God wants, and to turn to Him for direction through Faith.

You have not repented unless you turn away from the law to Him in Faith.

Living unrepentant is living under the law.

Turn to Christ and have life.

In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law that is of works with a law that is of faith, so I agree that there is a law that is not of faith, but there nevertheless still is a different law that is of faith. So works of the law are of works and are not of faith, while Paul said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds the Law of God, so it is of faith. Likewise, Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law, so it is of faith, and I've cited many others verses to you to show that it is of faith.

If I was lost and asked someone for directions, then I would be putting my faith in them by choosing to depend on their directions to rightly guide me where I want to go. Likewise, we are putting our faith in God when we depending on him to rightly guide us in how we should live by choosing to follow His instructions, so God's instructions are of faith in Him and that is why our faith upholds His law, but works of the law are not of faith unlike the Mosaic Law.

In Acts 2:38, Peter called for his audience to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, and the Mosaic Law was how his audience knew what sin is. Furthermore, there are many other verses that call for us to repent from our sins. God's law was straightforwardly given to teach us what God wants, so if we're doing something other than what God's wants, then we need to repent and to return to obedience to His law.

Nowhere does the Bible say anything like that we have not repented unless we turn away from the law or that living unrepentant is living under the law, so you are just making that up whole cloth. The way to turn to Christ is not by rejecting what he taught.
 
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