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Thanks for joining me here and keeping the other thread from being derailed.



I was referring to the previous items. That's why I split your list.

Thank you for clarifying and editing the original post, the edit made it much clearer.

Why should I provide links to my statements, when they relate to things I have regularly been involved with for maybe 40 years.[\QUOTE]

The reason for providing links on a public forum is for two reasons:

First, we are all somewhat anonymous here. Because of that links help establish the basis for a statement. Without which, we are left to take an anonymous poster at face value. Which isn’t wise and seldom done.

Secondly, providing links helps evaluating your statements because many time they provide additional information on the statement and demonstrate others with like beliefs.

Those are the two main reasons for doing so.

I also know they are part of the armoury of most Christians involved in spiritual warfare or deliverance.

So to claim they are no longer practiced is just ignorance of the facts.

I don’t doubt there are some who still follow the teaching. My apologies for not expressing myself clearer. If you remember in the 90’s there was a spiritual warfare movement that gained some notoriety, the main proponent being Chuck Pierce and his associates. That movement and belief system is but a shadow at this point.

Tellme, have you ever done any deliverance?

Thank you for asking. Yes I have been honored to be used by God in deliverance ministry. My favorite was when 134 practicing Voodoos accepted Christ, were delivered and baptized in the Holy Ghost. Four of them were priest, now are pastors. It was glorious and God has received all the praise for what He did.

over the last 30 years of traveling internationally I have had a number of other opportunities. I hold a Masters of Divinity and teach in international Bible Schools. I say that only as a reference.
 
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Thanks for joking me here and keeping the other thread from being derailed.





Thank you for clarifying and editing the original post, the edit made it much clearer.

Have you written on this topic?
 
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Mind if I join the discussion?

Please do!

Have you written on this topic?

no, I currently have authored two books, one on Divine Healing and the other on Paul’s thorn.

I did do a series on spiritual warfare, binding and loosing in the 90’s but we have not made it into a book.
 
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most of what I have learned to deal with is a paranormal construct that causes intrusive thoughts, and causes some to believe the devil is omnipresent.

well said, one of the most prolific errors in the devil is omnipresent. He is not. That is solely an attribute of God.

More regarding Kraig Keener...

deliverance – Bible Background

I have spent the last 10 min looking. There is a piece on excersim but I find nothing on deliverance. Sorry
 
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I too am joining late in the game.
Came from search engine, looking for simple warfare information.
Are you merely looking for links to data?
Or did you hope to have discussion from a Biblical perspective?
 
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Just to create some balance - the Greek for 'resist Satan and he will flee from you' is to make arrangements against (something done in advance) Learning to be strong against him before he tries to influence you is critical.

Say you have a weakness under a certain temptation - consider how to avoid that circumstance...
 
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Just to create some balance - the Greek for 'resist Satan and he will flee from you' is to make arrangements against (something done in advance) Learning to be strong against him before he tries to influence you is critical.

Say you have a weakness under a certain temptation - consider how to avoid that circumstance...

Interesting take on it: I don't disagree....

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Let's break it down -
Therefore -​

that indicates what follows is a result of the previous verses:

James 4:1
4 Where do wars and fights come from among you?
Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?


2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
To rightly divide the word, we have to translate what follows in the light (or subject) of those verses.

Therefore:
submit to God -

Submit - the Greek is hypotassō (ὑποτάσσω) , meaning to subject one's self, obey, to submit to one's control.​

The very first thing we are to do is submit to God - to Trust and obey Him. Holiness is required.

Resit the devil
Resist - (ἀνθίστημι) - anthistēmi - meaning to set one's self against, to withstand, resist, oppose

Where is the war? In our desires and flesh. Is this a satanic attack? No, it's the flesh submitting to the devil. James spoke of this in James 1:13

James 1:13 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
The devil is introduced into our lives by our desires and actions. We have the ability to open the door to it, or close the door by living righteously.


 
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Interesting take on it: I don't disagree....

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Let's break it down -
Therefore -​

that indicates what follows is a result of the previous verses:

James 4:1
4 Where do wars and fights come from among you?
Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?


2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
To rightly divide the word, we have to translate what follows in the light (or subject) of those verses.

Therefore:
submit to God -

Submit - the Greek is hypotassō (ὑποτάσσω) , meaning to subject one's self, obey, to submit to one's control.​

The very first thing we are to do is submit to God - to Trust and obey Him. Holiness is required.

Resit the devil
Resist - (ἀνθίστημι) - anthistēmi - meaning to set one's self against, to withstand, resist, oppose

Where is the war? In our desires and flesh. Is this a satanic attack? No, it's the flesh submitting to the devil. James spoke of this in James 1:13

James 1:13 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
The devil is introduced into our lives by our desires and actions. We have the ability to open the door to it, or close the door by living righteously.



Yes...

We also close the door through renounciation.

2 Cor 4:2

Renounce in Greek means to speak against.

This is not prayer. It is refusing the influence of what we have foolishly opened the door to in Jesus name.
 
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What types of spiritual warfare are you discussing? Are you talking about the demonic types or the harsher witchcraft types?

Isn't that the same thing in the end?
 
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Thanks for joining me here and keeping the other thread from being derailed.





Thank you for clarifying and editing the original post, the edit made it much clearer.
Don't know how I missed this thread, maybe during one of my detention periods! Lol.

Is there any chance you could tidy up the quote/unquote boxes in the OP to make it more readable, and maybe give the links to where you got my quotes from. Otherwise I can't even answer in my own defense.
 
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well said, one of the most prolific errors in the devil is omnipresent. He is not. That is solely an attribute of God.
The devil is obviously not omnipresent and such thinking has to be challenged. However, just as in the war we might declare that Hitler invaded France, when he never left Berlin, so we might describe an attack by the devil when we simply mean his demons.
Even scripture does that. It should be obvious that Peter isn't claiming that every attack on believers are personally from Satan himself.
1Pet5v8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
 
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Isn't that the same thing in the end?

Not at all.

A Christian, with a bit of knowledge and experience, can easily learn to deal with evil spirits. People involved in witchcraft, who know what they are doing, will keep at you for a long period of time, and depending on their knowledge and determination, they can kill you if you don't know how to counteract them. It's a whole other level of spiritual warfare that I don't wish on anyone.
 
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