What will God do to fix this world?

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If you can give me the reference and the context, I'll have a go.

And I didn't say WE have conquered him, I said that Jesus has and he gives us victory over the devil if we ask him to. Doesn't mean we can't be tempted, and may even fall sometimes - but Jesus has the victory.
What reference?
Doesnt say anything about falling it says simply Satan who indwell the beast is conquering saints and overcome them then they get beheaded which is contrary to what you said.
Check mate
now u try to come up with some mumbo jumbo to go around it just to not face it IMO
 
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Yes it is - and to follow the Lord who is on the side of the poor, weak, marginalised etc.
We are called to be salt and light. Salt preserves, gives food flavour and is actually an essential mineral for the body; light dispels darkness bringing sight and warmth.

We are not called to stand in the street shouting out the Gospel, while leaving material needs unmet.

That's not going to fix the world. The world--and every single nation in it--will still be broken when Christ returns, as scripture makes plain to us.
 
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That's not going to fix the world. The world--and every single nation in it--will still be broken when Christ returns, as scripture makes plain to us.

Yes it probably will.
But it's better to light a candle than to complain about the darkness.

If every Christian said "we can't fix the world", they'd give up praying and trying.
 
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The Bible reference - book, chapter and verse.
mate we live in day and age you can type two words from sentence and find whole chapter in 10 different bibles in google don't use such lame excuse
Besides that when Scriptures were written they had no "book" or "chapter" or "verse"
 
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mate we live in day and age you can type two words from sentence and find whole chapter in 10 different bibles in google don't use such lame excuse
Besides that when Scriptures were written they had no "book" or "chapter" or "verse"

And you can't yank a verse out of Scripture and the context in which it was written and use it to prove whatever you want.
If you don't even know where the verse is in the Bible, why should I believe that you understand what it's saying?

And I know that they didn't have chapters and verses originally - but we do now. We have them so that we can find, read and learn Scripture more easily.
 
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My only question on this subject is why does God have to destroy this creation to make a new one? Isn't he capable of perfecting and fixing this universe? Is his New Creation that much better that he has to make a new one?
 
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What reference?
Doesnt say anything about falling it says simply Satan who indwell the beast is conquering saints and overcome them then they get beheaded which is contrary to what you said.
Check mate
now u try to come up with some mumbo jumbo to go around it just to not face it IMO

In case you're interested, the verse that you appear to be referring to is Revelation 13:7.

Revelation is a book about end times - what WILL happen when Jesus returns/the world is about to end.
This is future.
I don't study end times, myself, so I'd have to study/look up the meaning of this verse - but the whole book is a vision that John was given to show what would happen.
This chapter says that a beast will appear who will slander and blaspheme God and persecute the saints - presumably the saints who are still alive on earth when Jesus returns; I don't know.

But all this is a long way from saying that we can't have victory over the devil and evil NOW, while we are on earth.
Jesus sent his 12 disciples out to drive out demons and heal, Luke 9:1. He taught then to pray "deliver us from the evil one", Matthew 6:13, and told them that they would have trouble in the world, but that he had overcome the world, John 16:33.
Paul listed some things that people thought might separate them from God's love - persecution, danger, hardship, famine etc, and then says "IN these things, we are more than conquerors", Romans 8:35-37.
Paul wrote to another church about spiritual warfare and said "put on the armour of God so that when the day of evil comes you will be able to stand your ground", Ephesians 6:13. And he told the Corinthians that the sting of death is sin "but thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ", 1 Corinthians 15:57.

I suppose you could call these Scriptures, and others, "mumbo jumbo"; but it would be very unwise.
 
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My only question on this subject is why does God have to destroy this creation to make a new one? Isn't he capable of perfecting and fixing this universe? Is his New Creation that much better that he has to make a new one?
I’m not sold on God destroying the old creation.
 
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My only question on this subject is why does God have to destroy this creation to make a new one? Isn't he capable of perfecting and fixing this universe? Is his New Creation that much better that he has to make a new one?

God is not going to destroy the universe - what is getting destroyed according to 2 Peter 3 - is this world and in Rev 20 we see it destroyed by fire. The surface so presumably the crust re-forms and the atmosphere burned off.

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I’m not sold on God destroying the old creation.

True - getting rid of the entire universe just because Satan is on this planet would be a bit extreme.
 
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I’m not sold on God destroying the old creation.

This idea interests me as I had not considered it previously, and I would personally be exhilarated to read as a new perspective what possibilities you see in the future of the old creation in the eschaton.


God is not going to destroy the universe - what is getting destroyed according to 2 Peter 3 - is this world and in Rev 20 we see it destroyed by fire. The surface so presumably the crust re-forms and the atmosphere burned off.

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True - getting rid of the entire universe just because Satan is on this planet would be a bit extreme.

But, what about the problem of entropy? Not so much “getting rid of” but rather regenerating and reforming the universe in an earlier or different configuration, due to the problem that this universe is projected to no longer be stelliferous in about 100 million years, and beyond that, the potential for life as we know it to exist becomes greatly diminished as the stars burn out and eventually, black holes consume the matter and then themselves dissipate into photons via Hawking Radiation. And supposing, as we reasonably might, that in the Parousia our resurrected bodies are invincible, for it says we shall be raised incorruptible, would we really want to exist in a universe consisting only of disordered photons? I don’t as a rule like to talk about science and theology in this way, but considering the very long duration of the World to Come, or rather it being potentially timeless, it seems to me that “a new heavens and a new earth” would in part be needed to address heat death. There is also the problem that this planet is likely to get destroyed by the sun in a few billion years.
 
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My only question on this subject is why does God have to destroy this creation to make a new one? Isn't he capable of perfecting and fixing this universe? Is his New Creation that much better that he has to make a new one?

"Fixing the world" (and it ought to be understood that "the world" in scripture is primarily the human artifices in it) means transforming the minds of all the people in it to conform with the mind of Christ. As Christians, we are to be doing that ourselves, with the help of the Spirit (Romans 12).

So will God ultimately transform the minds of every person who has ever lived to conform to Christ-- whether with that person's desire or not--or will God allow only those who are willing to have their minds transformed be part of His Kingdom?

I see scripture saying the latter.

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But, what about the problem of entropy? Not so much “getting rid of” but rather regenerating and reforming the universe in an earlier or different configuration, due to the problem that this universe is projected to no longer be stelliferous in about 100 million years, and beyond that, the potential for life as we know it to exist becomes greatly diminished as the stars burn out and eventually, black holes consume the matter and then themselves dissipate into photons via Hawking Radiation. And supposing, as we reasonably might, that in the Parousia our resurrected bodies are invincible, for it says we shall be raised incorruptible, would we really want to exist in a universe consisting only of disordered photons? I don’t as a rule like to talk about science and theology in this way, but considering the very long duration of the World to Come, or rather it being potentially timeless, it seems to me that “a new heavens and a new earth” would in part be needed to address heat death. There is also the problem that this planet is likely to get destroyed by the sun in a few billion years.

I think Adam's original mandate was to manage entropy.
 
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Ezekiel discusses a prince [Christ] ,
the future when He will rule this Earth.

“In the land shall be his possession in Israel: and my princes
shall no more oppress my people; and the rest of the land shall they
give to the house of Israel according to their tribes” (Ezekiel 45:8).


People will never again be oppressed by their rulers!

The seventh angel sounds-Kingdoms of
current world become Christs (Rev 11:15)

Will commit thy government [of the world]
into his hand, established with judgement
and justice. (Isaiah 22:21)

Of the increase of his government and peace
there shall be no end, upon the throne of
David, and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

-King David's Throne was never in Heaven.
David’s throne belongs in Jerusalem, where
it is soon going to be forever (Isaiah 9:7).

-beginning of that rule and world government
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them…and they
lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years”
(Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4) Matthew 25:32

And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another..

The nations will be angry (Revelation 11:15 -18)
will actually attempt to fight Him (Rev 17:14).

Overthrow the throne of kingdoms (Haggai 2:22
“And in the days of these kings" (Daniel 2:44)
over all nations (Daniel 7:9, 13-14, 22, 27;
Isaiah 9:7). Given power (Rev 2:26-27).

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me
in my throne [on this Earth]” (Rev 3:21; 5:10).
(Luke 1:32-33). .“…we shall reign on the earth”

Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess
the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)

Will appoint unto you a kingdom (Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities,
some over five (Luke 19:12-19)

We shall inherit the earth.
(Psalms 25:13-22:26, 37:9, 22,29)

Jesus Christ is the firstborn of many brethren
(Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:18) who shall be
born of God by a “resurrection” (John 5:25-29;
6:39, 40, 44).

A nation will be born at once (Isaiah 66:8)
x

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated,
and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).

He shall return to Earth in clouds Acts 1:9-11
(Matthew 24:30). Just as He is returning
(1Thes 4:14-17), the dead in Christ will rise
in a resurrection, made immortal—including
all the prophets of old (Luke 13:28).

Those who have the Spirit of God, then living,
shall be instantaneously changed from mortal
to immortal (1?Corinthians 15:50-54).

They shall—with Him—come down out of the
clouds, and stand with Him, therefore, that very
same day, on the Mount of Olives.

"And his feet shall stand in that day upon the
mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem
on the east, and... (Zechariah 14:4-5 )

He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah
14:3-4, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)



The living Christ is coming as
“King of kings and Lord of lords”

-God chose Jerusalem (1 Kings 8:53)
shall choose Jerusalem again (Zechariah 2:12)
Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; (Jeremiah 3:17)

Jerusalem headquarters city of the Earth.
(Haggai 2:6-8), Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed,
converted to Jerusalem (Isaiah 60:5, 11:15).

Jerusalem will be uniquely built Psalms 122:3
Gods latter house greater-former Haggai 2:9
dimensions of the city of Jerusalem Ez 48:17

The Fountain of Eternal Life (Ezekiel 47:1-5)
God’s truth will fill the entire world like the
ocean beds (Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

‘house of the Lord’ was reckoned to be the
tent of the ark located at the Gihon Spring.
the fountain of Israel (Psalm 68:24, 26)

A fountain is going to spring up (Joel 3:18)
living waters [going] out from Jerusalem”
at a time when the Messiah is “king over
all the earth.” (Zechariah 14:8-9)

Psalm 29:3, Psalm 36:8-9, Isaiah 32:14-20
Isaiah 8:5-6 , Isaiah 12:3, Jeremiah 17:13

And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion
in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem
again. (Zechariah 2:12)

shalt take thine inheritance (Ezekiel 22:16)
Jerusalem and in Judah (Zechariah 14:21

and the name of the city from that day shall
be, "The Lord is there” (Ezekiel 48:35)

In the midst of the street of it, the tree
of life, healing of the nations (Rev 22:2)

Psalm 137:5-6 says we should prefer
Jerusalem above our chief joy.

They will see their teachers (Isaiah 30:20)

“A new heart also will I give (Eze 36:26-27, 33
the Word of the Eternal shall go forth,
spreading over the whole Earth (Isaiah 2:3).
Holy Spirit flow from Jerusalem (Zech. 14:8

He will also destroy the idols (Ezekiel 30:13)
the mountain of the house of the [Eternal]
shall be established in the top of the mountains,
...and people shall flow unto it” (Micah 4:1).

He will teach us of his ways, the word of the
Eternal from Jerusalem. Isaiah 2:3,Micah 4:2

All will speak the same (pure) language, all call
to serve him with one consent” (Zephaniah 3:9)
x

The restorer of paths to dwell in. (Isaiah 58:12

Desolate land shall be tilled - will be like
the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

Will heal the bad waters of the Dead Sea,
Fishermen will line the shores (Ezekiel 47)

Build the waste cities, grow fresh produce,
drink there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)

-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men”
being very social (Ezekiel 36:36-37-38)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none
be made afraid (Ezekiel 34:28-Micah 4:4)
Superhighways to major cities (Isaiah 19:23)

-No more Violence, nor wasting,
nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)

-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17)
Equitable property distribution, "every man
shall own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4-Lev25)

-Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice of
melody (Isaiah 51:3) (Jeremiah 33:10-11)

-Where old men and old women dwell -full
of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)

-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous
beast shall go up (Isaiah 35:9 ) There will be
Shepherds and local animal husbandry Jer. 33:12

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where trees grow
(Isaiah 35) -No more hunger - He will raise up
a plant of renown (Ezekiel 34:29)

-A new sharp threshing instrument
the mountains made small (Isaiah 41:14-16)

-If any thirst and seek water, the God of Israel
will not forsake them. (Isaiah 41:17-18)

-Trees planted and growing-consider and under-
stand that the [Eternal] hath done this, and the
Holy One of Israel hath created it” (ver 19-20)

all trees for meat.. and the leaf thereof
for medicine” Ez 47:12


The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet:
they break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7)

"The wilderness and the solitary place
shall be glad for them; and the desert
shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose."

All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing
unto thee; they shall sing to thy name.

Psalms 66:4 -God has spoken it, and He is not
one to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)
 
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This idea interests me as I had not considered it previously, and I would personally be exhilarated to read as a new perspective what possibilities you see in the future of the old creation in the eschaton.
Here’s my (almost) completely unsupported idea, that I’m not willing to bet on yet. :)

Using the resurrection as a model, Christ wasn’t destroyed and then resurrected. And there’s a one to one correlation between our bodies and our new bodies. So I thing that the Earth will be restored in much the same way.
 
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Here’s my (almost) completely unsupported idea, that I’m not willing to bet on yet. :)

Using the resurrection as a model, Christ wasn’t destroyed and then resurrected. And there’s a one to one correlation between our bodies and our new bodies. So I thing that the Earth will be restored in much the same way.

This is an interesting idea and I like it. It explains how the Earth would be a new Earth, rather than a different planet.
 
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I’m not sold on God destroying the old creation.

Yeah idk either. It's called the "New" Heavens and the "New" Earth but it seems kind of pointless for God to just start over from a blank slate. If God can transform a sinful human being into one who will follow his every instruction without question and make us completely sinless forever, surely God has the power to do the same for a sinful Earth and Universe. Just... imo.


The question definitely isn't God's inability. If he is recreating everything New than there has to be a reason why.
 
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"Fixing the world" (and it ought to be understood that "the world" in scripture is primarily the human artifices in it) means transforming the minds of all the people in it to conform with the mind of Christ. As Christians, we are to be doing that ourselves, with the help of the Spirit (Romans 12).

So will God ultimately transform the minds of every person who has ever lived to conform to Christ-- whether with that person's desire or not--or will God allow only those who are willing to have their minds transformed be part of His Kingdom?

I see scripture saying the latter.

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Well if God fixed this creation he would have to remake everything, the trees, the dirt, everything has been corrupted by sin. I don't see why God has to start over from a brand new slate so to speak. Couldn't he just make our world and Universe perfect? I hope I'm making sense.
 
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