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My question to you is, do you believe that chemicals can alter the spiritual connection people have with God? Or should I be asking, can inclination towards spirituality be chemical removed from the hearts of man?
 

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Nearly everything that we put into our bodies, changes the chemical state of our bodies. Some things nourish the temple. Others destroy it.

Question: Do vaccines become part of our DNA, or do they promote the development of antibodies, or both?
 
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do you believe that chemicals can alter the spiritual connection people have with God?
The perceived connection, anyway; the ability to sense and process God's presence. Anyone who's done hallucinogenics can tell you that drugs can radically change our perception of reality. Modern vaccines contain antagonistic elements that are designed to jump-start the immune process by alerting the body to an alien presence; they are there to irritate and disrupt. Some of them are aluminum-based, and that is an element that doesn't belong in the brain.
 
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What about anti-depressants. Many people take them. Depression is what brought me to consider the Lord. Now we have people that are finding relief and the help to cope with a twisted reality’. No longer reaching out to God but to doctors and then to the world for less stress.
Doctors are like judges playing god and few are Christian they get there advice from men or women. They are trying to make a happy’ world.
 
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What about anti-depressants. Many people take them. Depression is what brought me to consider the Lord. Now we have people that are finding relief and the help to cope with a twisted reality’. No longer reaching out to God but to doctors and then to the world for less stress.
Doctors are like judges playing god and few are Christian they get there advice from men or women. They are trying to make a happy’ world.
Utopia on steroids
 
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I agree a certain level of depression can trigger what Saints call the Dark Night of the Soul. Yet in some people depression is so deep, it can distract them from their faith instead. In these cases, and I spoke with a friend i this situation. Further my mother was so distracted by pain she could not pray. Then her doctor gave her a pain reliever and she now can pray.

So I do not think the problem is drugs or chemicals per say, but over use of these. For example all of us have chemicals in our bodies, due to the general toxicity of our world. Many are elements of fertilizers and herbicides used on farms and it does not matter if you eat organic or not they become air born and get into our drinking water.

So chemicals likely do not take away our ability to be holy, but they do make us sick and weaken our ability to witness. Further, we cannot fully control chemicals getting into our bodies only how much do.
 
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I agree a certain level of depression can trigger what Saints call the Dark Night of the Soul. Yet in some people depression is so deep, it can distract them from their faith instead. In these cases, and I spoke with a friend i this situation. Further my mother was so distracted by pain she could not pray. Then her doctor gave her a pain reliever and she now can pray.

So I do not think the problem is drugs or chemicals per say, but over use of these. For example all of us have chemicals in our bodies, due to the general toxicity of our world. Many are elements of fertilizers and herbicides used on farms and it does not matter if you eat organic or not they become air born and get into our drinking water.

So chemicals likely do not take away our ability to be holy, but they do make us sick and weaken our ability to witness. Further, we cannot fully control chemicals getting into our bodies only how much do.
True. but the concept that there are chemicals out there which will separate us from the spiritual connection with God is a whole another battle front, which makes me wonder about the inability of some to make that connection with God. It use to be that all were living in a spiritual world, maybe not the right one, but still it wasn't totally materialistic. Today, we have lots of people who make no connections, can't understand the concept, and are void of any calling to either the good or evil spiritual parties.
 
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True. but the concept that there are chemicals out there which will separate us from the spiritual connection with God is a whole another battle front, which makes me wonder about the inability of some to make that connection with God. It use to be that all were living in a spiritual world, maybe not the right one, but still it wasn't totally materialistic. Today, we have lots of people who make no connections, can't understand the concept, and are void of any calling to either the good or evil spiritual parties.

Agreed, yet covid-19 showed drugs were only part of the problem when we saw how so many started to demand jobs, sports, new soaps and series for TV, the list goes on. These too distract as much as drugs though like drugs they can also be harmless. It depends on the heart and why behind their actions.

Further, I know of a handful of Christians, for whom taking pain killers or depression drugs have improved their prayer life and witness. So can drugs cause lose of faith, by all means but they are just one Achilles Heel among a multitude of other distractions.
 
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flesh profits nothing.
Our bodies but house our spirit.
I can't see how Mr Steiners statement
can be true because even if we drink
anything poison, it can't hurt us.
NOTHING shall by any means harm us.
God's Words and now mine since it's no longer
I who lives but Christ IN me, the hope of Glory.
 
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flesh profits nothing.
Our bodies but house our spirit.
I can't see how Mr Steiners statement
can be true because even if we drink
anything poison, it can't hurt us.
NOTHING shall by any means harm us.
God's Words and now mine since it's no longer
I who lives but Christ IN me, the hope of Glory.
On second thought, hmm. let me rethink this.
meanwhile, anyone?
 
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There is in the court of heaven ongoing cases judged by the way we think and do... If we are bitten by accident then it was not intentional and the Lord can choose to intervene. If, on the other hand, we, in the face of the facts choose to partake in allowing poison to enter our bodies, we are held accountable. I am not saying that the Lord can not still intervene. Satan tried to make Yeshua jump down, eat stone, but even Yeshua, who is God in the flesh, said you shall not put the Lord your God to the test. This is where thought and actions are both part of the makeup of how the Lord is deciding to intervene or not. And I am sure there are more bigger pictures involved in every decision the Lord makes. I just do not want to throw more stuff on the wrong side of the scale. We are to be wise in our decisions.
 
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