Does white privilege exist in the US?

Pommer · Apr 4, 2021

Albion said:
Fairly common.

Why’s that?
Aren’t there enough talented POC applying for these positions?

Ken-1122 · Apr 4, 2021

rturner76 said:
They have the advantage of their white skin. White skin and a Christian name will put you at the top of the resume pile and will get you considered by a white supervisor to be someone they can relate to better than a person whose culture, dialect, or general appearance they fear, doubt, or have no experience with.

Due to slavery, Black people are just as likely to have a Christian name as white people. Skin color isn’t an issue with a resume.

Ken-1122 · Apr 4, 2021

rturner76 said:
I put this out there before but I am of mixed race so I have a very unique perspective on this issue.

I was raised by a white woman and I have 1/2 siblings who are all white. We lived in a poor neighborhood so there were minorities all over. I got teased for "talking white." How could I talk any other way growing up in that house?

Fast forward to teenage years. I communicate more effectively with the managers at Burger King so I got promoted past those same guys who teased me for "talking white." Every job I had after that was the same thing. I could communicate in the acceptable white vernacular that got me past my friends who had broken English.

In that regard, I feel like I have benefitted from white privilege. I could talk the language of the people in charge and they accepted me more because of my vocabulary. It's about familiarity more than race.

The ability to speak proper English is not "white privilege", that's common sense in the service industry. When you work in an industry where you have to deal with customers, the ability to speak proper English is very important and should get you ahead of someone with poor English speaking skills.

Belk · Apr 4, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
What state do you live in where they have neighborhoods where only Nigerians live, or only white people live? All the neighborhoods I’ve ever seen have multiple races living there.

All the Asian or Nigerian parts of town I’ve seen are the business districts; not neighborhoods.

Are you assuming all well off white people vote the same, and fight for the same causes?

What lucrative advantages do white people have that non-whites do not?

What is the difference between a district and a neighborhood, exactly? Because I'm not seeing a large difference between the International District and Ballard.

Ken-1122 · Apr 4, 2021

Belk said:
What is the difference between a district and a neighborhood, exactly? Because I'm not seeing a large difference between the International District and Ballard.

Zoning. Most neighborhoods you can't just open a McDonalds or 711 next door to the Jones's.

disciple Clint · Apr 4, 2021

rturner76 said:
I put this out there before but I am of mixed race so I have a very unique perspective on this issue.

I was raised by a white woman and I have 1/2 siblings who are all white. We lived in a poor neighborhood so there were minorities all over. I got teased for "talking white." How could I talk any other way growing up in that house?

Fast forward to teenage years. I communicate more effectively with the managers at Burger King so I got promoted past those same guys who teased me for "talking white." Every job I had after that was the same thing. I could communicate in the acceptable white vernacular that got me past my friends who had broken English.

In that regard, I feel like I have benefitted from white privilege. I could talk the language of the people in charge and they accepted me more because of my vocabulary. It's about familiarity more than race.

Are you certain that it was because you could talk white or was it because you were an effective communicator and gave the perception that you considered education important and did will in school? I suggest that those whites from the south who speak as though they are poorly educated are wrongly perceived to have a low IQ and do not receive the promotions that more effective communicators receive.

Belk · Apr 5, 2021

Belk said:
What is the difference between a district and a neighborhood, exactly? Because I'm not seeing a large difference between the International District and Ballard.

Then I am at a lose to why you included the information in your response. What does a zoning law have to do with certain races living in certain areas?

coffee4u · Apr 5, 2021

Nine of Spades said:
Imagine this: there is an unprivileged white student who lives in a trailer park. Despite his lower socio-economic status, he does well in school and scores high on the SAT/ACT.

Meanwhile there is a a privileged black student whose parents are millionaires. Despite having access to all sorts of resources, he does okay in school and scores not as high on the SAT/ACT as the white trailer park student.

Both of these students apply to the same university. The less qualified, privileged black gets accepted, but the more qualified, unprivileged white gets rejected.

That's how affirmative action works in the United States. It purports to exist to even the playing field and help disadvantaged people of color, but in reality it discriminates against white people, including genuinely disadvantaged white people. It's very unfair. And people say "white privilege" exists.

Here is another example. In the NFL 70% of the athletes are black. No one is saying we should have more diversity in the NFL and implement quotas for more white, Hispanic, and Asian players. Meanwhile 75% of all NFL coaches are white, and people are saying that is a major problem that needs to be fixed by creating incentives for teams to hire less qualified coaches of color. You can read about it here: NFL owners table proposal incentivizing hires of minority coaches, GMs (usatoday.com)

So let me get this straight... White privilege purports to exists in the US. Yet everyone thinks it's okay when 70% of NFL players are black, but having 75% of all NFL coaches being white is somehow a problem that needs to be corrected. Are you kidding me?

Both examples I listed sound like black privilege.

I would say yes.
Laws are one thing but private citizens speech and conduct is another.
I often go off down rabbit trails on Youtube and I saw a video by a black female police officer. She had been pulled over while not doing anything and she was harassed -until they realized she was a higher ranking police officer. I highly doubt a white woman would have faced the same thing.

America is based on genocide of the native people and black slavery, that has long term consequences to the mind set of your country.

rturner76 · Apr 5, 2021

Albion said:
Fairly common.

That's why the program is no good. Because it makes people think it's the only way a black can get a job and it's actually very uncommon for a person to get a job they are not qualified for due to their minority race.

rturner76 · Apr 5, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Due to slavery, Black people are just as likely to have a Christian name as white people. Skin color isn’t an issue with a resume.

There was a study that showed names like Jamal, Lakiesha, Deondre, Kanesha, etc get skipped over quite often without even looking at the qualifications.

rturner76 · Apr 5, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
The ability to speak proper English is not "white privilege", that's common sense in the service industry. When you work in an industry where you have to deal with customers, the ability to speak proper English is very important and should get you ahead of someone with poor English speaking skills.

Exactly, so what if you were raised with broken English? Does someone with "proper" English have an advantage? Would you say it was a privilege to grow up in a home where "proper" English is spoken? Should they be grateful for the ability to speak proper English?

Where I grew up, many of the black population had migrated there from the south via Chicago. The Scandinavian population in my city is the most populous of all ethnicities. Where I come from they say things like "ya" "you bet'cha" and "don'cha know" which is a distinct dialect that people who's parents or grandparents are from the south or Chicago, that is a different way of speaking. Those are the kids I know who would tease me for "talking white." And like I said, I always had better advancement opportunities because I could talk in that dialect. I know the upper midwest culture so I fit in better. It didn't make me a better worker but it made management more comfortable with me.

rturner76 · Apr 5, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Are you certain that it was because you could talk white or was it because you were an effective communicator and gave the perception that you considered education important and did will in school? I suggest that those whites from the south who speak as though they are poorly educated are wrongly perceived to have a low IQ and do not receive the promotions that more effective communicators receive.

Very true. Being able to communicate effectively starts with understanding each other. Poor whites have many of the same challenges as any other poor minority when it comes to access to good education.

I would intelligent and I'm competent but I'm not classically educated. ALso having command of language gave me more confidence and I grew up around so many different people I don't get intimidated like others I know who wouldn't speak up for a raise or a promotion like me. I never got branded a suck up though (at least not to my face).

rturner76 · Apr 5, 2021

coffee4u said:
America is based on genocide of the native people and black slavery, that has long term consequences to the mind set of your country.

Preach! Church! Tabernacle!

98cwitr · Apr 5, 2021

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Why are Jews disproportionately in positions of power?

Cultural ambition coupled with a better adherence to ethnocentric community. These rules hold true to any collective group that wishes to maintain power: Keep your community tight, culturally/traditionally identified, adhere to ethnic foundations, support your community's rise of power (positions of social/governmental influence); (at worst, if that power is threatened) sow seeds of division among opposition that inhibits collective formation within that opposition.

This is why any group that heavily ascribes to individualism will certainly fall prey to any collective. Ben Shapiro (who I greatly admire) calls multi-ethnic conservatives into community/collective. The issue there is that such a collective formation is clouded by individualistic ideals. Conservatives are terrible at forming collectives because individualism (and notions of freedom and liberty) gets in the way.

SoldierOfTheKing · Apr 5, 2021

rturner76 said:
There was a study that showed names like Jamal, Lakiesha, Deondre, Kanesha, etc get skipped over quite often without even looking at the qualifications.

What about Washington and Jefferson, which today are mostly names of black people? I suspect the results would be quite different.

rturner76 · Apr 5, 2021

SoldierOfTheKing said:
What about Washington and Jefferson, which today are mostly names of black people? I suspect the results would be quite different.

It all depends on the hiring manager. Some would rather see a black in a job before an immigrant. Others have their own preferences based on what makes them feel comfortable. That goes for black, white, red, yellow, and brown. Who are you comfortable with, who do you trust? Most likely, someone like yourself who walks, talks, and acts, and looks like you no?

Ken-1122 · Apr 5, 2021

Belk said:
Then I am at a lose to why you included the information in your response. What does a zoning law have to do with certain races living in certain areas?

I think you misunderstood me. I never said anything about zoning having to do with certain races living in certain areas, I said I don't know of any neighborhoods where 100% of it's residences are of one race.

Ken-1122 · Apr 5, 2021

rturner76 said:
There was a study that showed names like Jamal, Lakiesha, Deondre, Kanesha, etc get skipped over quite often without even looking at the qualifications.

What about white names like Chaputchnikov, Burgdorf, Schwarzgel or Borussia? I will bet they get looked over as well. Common American names will probably be selected over uncommon foreign names or names that are more difficult to pronounce.

Ken-1122 · Apr 5, 2021

rturner76 said:
Exactly, so what if you were raised with broken English? Does someone with "proper" English have an advantage?

Over you yes, you are at a disadvantage

rturner76 said:
Would you say it was a privilege to grow up in a home where "proper" English is spoken? Should they be grateful for the ability to speak proper English?

No. It’s sorta like asking if being born with the ability to see, or hear is a privilege. It’s more like those born without the ability to see or hear are handicapped.

rturner76 said:
Where I grew up, many of the black population had migrated there from the south via Chicago. The Scandinavian population in my city is the most populous of all ethnicities. Where I come from they say things like "ya" "you bet'cha" and "don'cha know" which is a distinct dialect that people who's parents or grandparents are from the south or Chicago, that is a different way of speaking. Those are the kids I know who would tease me for "talking white." And like I said, I always had better advancement opportunities because I could talk in that dialect. I know the upper midwest culture so I fit in better. It didn't make me a better worker but it made management more comfortable with me.

"ya" "you bet'cha" and "don'cha know isn’t really proper english. Yeah you might do well to be able to speak that way within that specific community, but once you leave that community, you will be at a disadvantage if that is the only way you know how to speak

Ken-1122 · Apr 5, 2021

rturner76 said:
It all depends on the hiring manager. Some would rather see a black in a job before an immigrant. Others have their own preferences based on what makes them feel comfortable. That goes for black, white, red, yellow, and brown. Who are you comfortable with, who do you trust? Most likely, someone like yourself who walks, talks, and acts, and looks like you no?

Race is more about how you look; not how you walk, talk, or act.

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