Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

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You seem to believe Christians will not endure periods of tribulation. Is that true?
I made a typo in the first sentence of my post - which I left out the word "not". I went back and edited my post to correct it.
 
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Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

Those who believe and answer the question it was, believe in false interpretations of the Word of GOD. If they persist in this error, it is no surprise because we are really living in perilous times.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:v.1

Remember:
The Word is GOD - John 1:v.1. Therefore, what prevails is the Word of GOD.

Also remember: The testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. With regard the END of the Devil's world, and concomitantly the signs of His coming, JESUS prophesied, saying:
Matt.24:v.1-2

1 Jesus went out and departed from the temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

What JESUS prophesied, fulfilled LITERALLY in the year 70 AD. Jerusalem was destroyed, a bath blood occurred in the destruction of Israel, more than 100 K died, a multitude of survivors were scattered around the world, they were banned from their land, they lost even their nation, and were punished severely from year 70 until 1,948 AD, it means they suffered strong punishments AND DESOLATION during 1,878 years, in LITERAL fulfillment of Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68. Check it out. THE WORD IS GOD.



JESUS was sat upon the mount of Olives. The disciples came unto Him and asked Him:
1 - What shall be the sign of thy coming?
2 - and the sign of the END of the world?


See; the list below is exclusive of future events listed by JESUS, it concerns:
(1) the signs of his coming,
(2) and of the END of the
(current) world, the Devil's world.

Here goes the answers of JESUS to the questions above made by his disciples:

1 - Take heed that no man deceive you;
2 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many;
3 - ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars; see that ye be not troubled
4 - all these things must come to pass;
but the END (of the world) is not yet;.
5 - nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom;
6 - and there shall be famines;
(Woe of the Devil's world from now on)
7 - and pestilences; (this is already fulfilling LITERALLY)
8 - and earthquakes in divers places, all these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of
ALL NATIONS for my name's sake. (Revelation 11:v.18)

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.

15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).

The list above concerns the events of JESUS's coming, and of the END of the world, I highlight the verse 15 that was quoted in several posts before, for trying to give biblical support to the false interpretation of the Word of GOD, what is very very danger, and is condemned severely by the Word of GOD. THE WORD IS GOD

Be careful or GET READY







 
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they lost even their nation, and were punished severely from year 70 until 1,948 AD,


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.



1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.



2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
2Jn 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.



Counterfeit Israel: Dr. Chuck Baldwin

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Ezekiel 39 was not authored by futurists. Ezekiel 39:28 is referring to the House of Israel scattered among the nations.

Paul speaking below...he is talking about the Jews, Israel.

2Timothy2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Scripture is unequivocal in identifying who the elect are. They are those of faith and obedience, saved by grace not race, members of the Church of the Redeemed of God.

Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

1 Peter 5:13
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
 
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2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
The elect in that verse is obviously not Christians because they had not yet obtains salvation in Christ Jesus.

Paul is talking about the Jews, Israel. When Paul refers to them of other nations, he uses the term Gentiles.

In Ezekiel 39:28, Jesus (speaking in the future after He has returned to earth)has gathered all of house of Israel and not left one in the nations.

The elect can also refer to them of the church. It depends upon the application.

Since it is definitive in Ezekiel 39:28, that it is them of the House of Israel, after Jesus has returned, Matthew 24:31 is about the Jews, Israel. All of whom will have become Christians by that time when Jesus returns.
 
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The elect in that verse is obviously not Christians because they had not yet obtains salvation in Christ Jesus.

Paul is talking about the Jews, Israel. When Paul refers to them of other nations, he uses the term Gentiles.

In Ezekiel 39:28, Jesus (speaking in the future after He has returned to earth)has gathered all of house of Israel and not left one in the nations.

The elect can also refer to them of the church. It depends upon the application.

Since it is definitive in Ezekiel 39:28, that it is them of the House of Israel, after Jesus has returned, Matthew 24:31 is about the Jews, Israel. All of whom will have become Christians by that time when Jesus returns.
People are elect before they come to faith, thats the theology of Paul, so nothing to worry about.
Paul travelled to call the elect to faith by spreading the gospel between nations.

"What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened"
R 11:7
- See how just some of Israel are elect.
 
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People are elect before they come to faith, thats the theology of Paul, so nothing to worry about.
Paul travelled to call the elect to faith by spreading the gospel between nations.

"What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened"
R 11:7
- See how just some of Israel are elect.
Yes.

But by the time Jesus returns all of the Jews, Israel, will believe in Jesus.

Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
 
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The elect in that verse is obviously not Christians because they had not yet obtains salvation in Christ Jesus.

Paul is talking about the Jews, Israel. When Paul refers to them of other nations, he uses the term Gentiles.

Once again, you are attempting to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work by ignoring the facts.

Paul addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11.
There was a "remnant" which remained faithful to God, and the others were like the Baal worshippers who turned from God's plan.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


Hebrews chapter 11 reveals all of the Old Testament Saints were saved through faith in the Messiah that was to come, as God had preached to Abraham.

There is only one people of God in John 10:16.

Therefore, all attempts to separate faithful Israel from the Church are doomed to failure.

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If he was resurrected, then it was a first resurrection which means of an incorruptible body. That does in no way shape or form take away Christ as part of the firstfruits. So were all OT church resurrected at the Cross. Lazarus was an example of such a resurrection.
If Lazarus was resurrected with an incorruptible body then how do you make sense of this verse:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

You have Lazarus being the first to rise from the dead with an incorruptible body, but this verse says that Christ was the first to rise from the dead. Clearly, this verse can't be speaking of Christ being the first to rise from the dead in any sense since Lazarus (and others) rose from the dead before Him. So, what else can Acts 26:23 be talking about except the fact that Christ was the first to rise from the dead with an incorruptible body?
 
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If Lazarus was resurrected with an incorruptible body then how do you make sense of this verse:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

You have Lazarus being the first to rise from the dead with an incorruptible body, but this verse says that Christ was the first to rise from the dead. Clearly, this verse can't be speaking of Christ being the first to rise from the dead in any sense since Lazarus (and others) rose from the dead before Him. So, what else can Acts 26:23 be talking about except the fact that Christ was the first to rise from the dead with an incorruptible body?
Jesus was the one who claimed Lazarus would be the first. I trust the words of Jesus. All in Christ are resurrected first. That is the point Paul gives as well.
 
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Jesus was the one who claimed Lazarus would be the first. I trust the words of Jesus.
Where did He say that?

All in Christ are resurrected first. That is the point Paul gives as well.
Please tell me how you interpret this verse:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

In what sense was Christ the first to rise from the dead?
 
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Where did He say that?

Please tell me how you interpret this verse:

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

In what sense was Christ the first to rise from the dead?
John 5 and John 11 is witness to Jesus as the Resurrection and life, even before the Cross.

In Acts 26, Paul was quoting the OT. Paul was not claiming anything about Lazarus. According to Matthew 27, those in their graves came out bodily at the Cross. They did not have to wait either. Are you going to rewrite the Gospels by one verse in Acts? A verse that quotes the OT? I thought using the OT to interpret the NT was not allowed? Besides the death burial and resurrection happened before Creation. God does not need to wait for a particular moment in human history. Revelation 13:8

It is God's time keeping. Not ours.
 
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The elect in that verse is obviously not Christians because they had not yet obtains salvation in Christ Jesus.

Paul is talking about the Jews, Israel. When Paul refers to them of other nations, he uses the term Gentiles.

In Ezekiel 39:28, Jesus (speaking in the future after He has returned to earth)has gathered all of house of Israel and not left one in the nations.

The elect can also refer to them of the church. It depends upon the application.

Since it is definitive in Ezekiel 39:28, that it is them of the House of Israel, after Jesus has returned, Matthew 24:31 is about the Jews, Israel. All of whom will have become Christians by that time when Jesus returns.

2 Timothy 2
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

The antecdent of "them" and "they" in verse 14 is the elect in verse 10.

Verse 14 is instruction by Paul to Timothy to admonish "them".

"Them" refers to all of the believers to whom Timothy ministered.

Timothy ministered to the churches, comprised of all ethnicities.

The elect.

Not limited to "Jews, Israel".
 
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But by the time Jesus returns all of the Jews, Israel, will believe in Jesus.

Judas, Caiaphas, the Sanhedrin, and all Jews responsible for Jesus crucifixion; will believe in Jesus.

We'll see 'em all in heaven.
 
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Can you show us that text from the Old Testament?

"saying nothing but what both the prophets and Moshe said would happen — that the Messiah would die, and that he, as the first to rise from the dead"

Is Paul mis-quoting the OT?
 
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Judas, Caiaphas, the Sanhedrin, and all Jews responsible for Jesus crucifixion; will believe in Jesus.

We'll see 'em all in heaven.
Well, since they will not be in heaven, that is proof that Jesus did not return in the first century.

And that Ezekiel 39 has not happen yet. Nor the 7 year 70th week in Daniel 9.

The ones in Ezekiel 39:21-29 are end times Jews.

Them in Ezekiel 39:28 are gathered from the nations and take to the land of Israel when Jesus returns.
 
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Well, since they will not be in heaven, that is proof that Jesus did not return in the first century.

And that Ezekiel 39 has not happen yet. Nor the 7 year 70th week in Daniel 9.

The ones in Ezekiel 39:21-29 are end times Jews.

Them in Ezekiel 39:28 are gathered from the nations and take to the land of Israel when Jesus returns.

The Jews in Zechariah 12:10 are not limited to end times Jews.

They include Judas et al.
 
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