The End Will Come and Who Will be Saved?

Rescued One · Apr 3, 2021

I've seen many opinions about this.

Verses 1-4 convince me that not all will be saved.

Verse 17 tells me that some are men of God.
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Matthew 25

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

1 Samuel 2:4
Those who oppose the LORD will be shattered. He will thunder from heaven against them. The LORD will judge the ends of the earth and will give power to His king. He will exalt the horn of His anointed."

What do you say? Is God obligated to save everyone?

BABerean2 · Apr 3, 2021

Old Lady said:
I've seen many opinions about this.

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Verses 1-4 convince me that not all will be saved.

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Verse 17 tells me that some are men of God.
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Matthew 25

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

1 Samuel 2:4
Those who oppose the LORD will be shattered. He will thunder from heaven against them. The LORD will judge the ends of the earth and will give power to His king. He will exalt the horn of His anointed."

What do you say? Is God obligated to save everyone?

What did Paul say below about Christ's Second Coming?

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

God is not a Universalist, based on what Paul said above.

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Timtofly · Apr 3, 2021

Old Lady said:
I've seen many opinions about this.

View attachment 297256

Verses 1-4 convince me that not all will be saved.

View attachment 297260

Verse 17 tells me that some are men of God.
(? Why does this image show uo again in the same post?)

Matthew 25

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

1 Samuel 2:4
Those who oppose the LORD will be shattered. He will thunder from heaven against them. The LORD will judge the ends of the earth and will give power to His king. He will exalt the horn of His anointed."

What do you say? Is God obligated to save everyone?

Find a verse that claims God is obligated at all. I am not understanding your question. God does not force any to be saved. God Himself was the Atonement for all of Adam's descendants. The Atonement is a free gift, not an obligation. No one is obligated to accept the Atonement as a free gift. One can only be with God if one accepts to be with God.

Rescued One · Apr 4, 2021

Timtofly said:
Find a verse that claims God is obligated at all. I am not understanding your question. God does not force any to be saved. God Himself was the Atonement for all of Adam's descendants. The Atonement is a free gift, not an obligation. No one is obligated to accept the Atonement as a free gift. One can only be with God if one accepts to be with God.

I don't understand your statements either.

So I will try to explain the verses I posted and add a few more.

Sinners don't care about God or His word. All people begin as sinners or we wouldn't even need a Savior. But there is no fear of God before our eyes. Are you with me so far?

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Can God change a sinner into a believer?

Romans 9
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Whose will is of utmost importance?

Matthew 6:10b
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Matthew 16
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Verse 17 comforts me! Do you see why?

Timtofly · Apr 4, 2021

Old Lady said:
I don't understand your statements either.

So I will try to explain the verses I posted and add a few more.

Sinners don't care about God or His word. All people begin as sinners or we wouldn't even need a Savior. But there is no fear of God before our eyes. Are you with me so far?

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Can God change a sinner into a believer?

Romans 9
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Whose will is of utmost importance?

Matthew 6:10b
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Matthew 16
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Verse 17 comforts me! Do you see why?

The sealing of the Holy Spirit is not selective. At conception all souls are sealed. That means they have the truth before it matters. God did His part. That seal is only broken at physical death. At that point the seal is no longer necessary. At that point the soul will have decided to accept or reject God's plan of Atonement. If a soul cannot make that decision how Does God resolve the physical inability to choose?

The default point throughout Scripture is rejection, not that some failed to accept. One can remove the seal prior to physical death and reprobate both soul and spirit. One can be alive physically and totally reject God, by giving themselves totally over to Satan or their own wills. That is not a very profitable conversation though in my opinion. It is an unfortunate reality though.

So putting the obligation on God to save all souls is not a valid question. It does not make sense and not taught in Scripture. The Cross was God Himself on the day of Redemption. The ability of the Holy Spirit to seal all of Adam's offspring happened before the Creation. Conception is the point the soul is sealed. That is how God reveals Himself to all equally without prejudice.

The question should be why do many still reject God. Why is being in a sinful condition more favorable than being like God?

Oseas · Apr 4, 2021

Old Lady said:
I've seen many opinions about this.

View attachment 297256

Verses 1-4 convince me that not all will be saved.

View attachment 297260

Verse 17 tells me that some are men of God.
(? Why does this image show uo again in the same post?)

Matthew 25

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

1 Samuel 2:4
Those who oppose the LORD will be shattered. He will thunder from heaven against them. The LORD will judge the ends of the earth and will give power to His king. He will exalt the horn of His anointed."

What do you say? Is God obligated to save everyone?

What I say is:
What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD.

John 3:v.5 and 36 and 18
5 - Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
18 - He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Mark 16:v.16
16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Romans 1:v.16
The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:v.9
If thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Matthew 7:v.21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 13:v.24-25
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the Master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Rescued One · Apr 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
The sealing of the Holy Spirit is not selective. At conception all souls are sealed. That means they have the truth before it matters. God did His part. That seal is only broken at physical death. At that point the seal is no longer necessary. At that point the soul will have decided to accept or reject God's plan of Atonement. If a soul cannot make that decision how Does God resolve the physical inability to choose?

I've never heard that teaching. Who wrote that? Is it in a Bible verse?

Timtofly said:
The default point throughout Scripture is rejection, not that some failed to accept. One can remove the seal prior to physical death and reprobate both soul and spirit. One can be alive physically and totally reject God, by giving themselves totally over to Satan or their own wills. That is not a very profitable conversation though in my opinion. It is an unfortunate reality though.

All have sinned. We aren't born praising God. It is necessary for parents or others to teach us.

Timtofly said:
So putting the obligation on God to save all souls is not a valid question. It does not make sense and not taught in Scripture.

I agree that God is not obligated to save sinners. John 3:18

Timtofly said:
The Cross was God Himself on the day of Redemption. The ability of the Holy Spirit to seal all of Adam's offspring happened before the Creation. Conception is the point the soul is sealed. That is how God reveals Himself to all equally without prejudice.

Who teaches that? I've not found it in any Bible.

Timtofly said:
The question should be why do many still reject God.

Because they haven't been born again. John 3:18

BABerean2 · Apr 6, 2021

Timtofly said:
Conception is the point the soul is sealed.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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Timtofly · Apr 6, 2021

Old Lady said:
I've never heard that teaching. Who wrote that? Is it in a Bible verse?

All have sinned. We aren't born praising God. It is necessary for parents or others to teach us.

I agree that God is not obligated to save sinners. John 3:18

Who teaches that? I've not found it in any Bible.

Because they haven't been born again. John 3:18

Rejecting God is not a punishment. The gift of God's Atonement was granted to all humans born. The seal of the Holy Spirit is that gift. Calvanism changed God's Word, and damns souls to eternal death. How does the Holy Spirit convict us from the outside? The Holy Spirit convicts us from within.

Timtofly · Apr 6, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The Holy Spirit seal does not work, until one accepts that it is there. That does not mean it does not exist.

keras · Apr 8, 2021

The end will come and who will be saved?
Those who call upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. Romans 10:13, Zephaniah 3:9, Psalms 116:4

Simple really; only Christian believers will survive to go into the Millennium with King Jesus.

BABerean2 · Apr 8, 2021

keras said:
Simple really; only Christian believers will survive to go into the Millennium with King Jesus.

Destroying Premillennialism in less than ten minutes:

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