Anti-christ is a Canadian ?

Douggg said:

In Ezekiel 28:16-19, Satan will be revealed physically, after being cast down to earth.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.



Satan will be cast down to earth from (the second) heaven in Revelation 12:7-9. Having a time/times/half time left.

In Revelation 13:4 the world worships the dragon.

In Revelation 13:15 the world woships the image of the beast.

In Ezekiel 28:18 God brings a fire in the midst of Satan, turned to ashes.

When all those things are put together, the false prophet has an image made of the beast person, who will be backed by Satan. The image will be a statue and placed on the temple mount, out in the open in plain site, lifeless. It will be the abomination of desolation, and will be the signal for the Jews in Judeah to flee into the mountains to save their lives.

As they are fleeing, the two witnesses are battling with the beast in Revelation 11, until he finally overcomes them and has them killed.

That will be the last straw for God, and He has Satan and his angels cast down to earth, the final enactment to destroy Satan and his mystical kingdom of Babylon the great.

Cast down to earth, knowing he has but a little time left, Satan is a terror.

He incarnates the statue image, making it appear to come to life, and speak. The false prophet demands that everyone worship the image or die for refusing.

The world is plunged into the great tribulation for 1335 days until Jesus returns. At Jesus's Return, the statue will be melted to ashes in the presence of Jesus. And Satan will be exposed there on the temple mount.

A lone angel will descend, bind Satan with a chain, and Satan cast into the bottomless pit. Revelation 20:1-2. Satan will be physically visible to everyone that day.

And we are on the verge of those things happening.



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Well, you simply mix various meanings into one For example, the text of Ezekiel is a prophetic mixture of the ruler of Tyre and satan, therefore there are physical allegories about the ruler and prophetic visions about satan. You take it all as one.

And your literal reading of Revelation is another similar error.

You are simply ignoring the genres and figures of speech

myst33 said:

Well, you simply mix various meanings into one For example, the text of Ezekiel is a prophetic mixture of the Babylonian king and satan, therefore there are physical allegories about the king and prophetic visions about satan. You take it all as one.

And your literal reading of Revelation is another similar error.

You are simply ignoring the genres and figures of speech

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Ezekiel 28:16-19, figuratively speaks of Satan as the king of Tyre. Tyre is not Babylon. Tyre was a city state on the island of Tyre (until Alexander connected it to the mainland).

Ezekiel 28:1-10, figuratively speaks of the little horn/Antichrist/beast person as the prince of Tyre.

A prince is the son of the king. Implying the figurative saying regarding the prince as "son of hell" "son of perdition".

Satan is figuratively the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14, beginning in v12. Then in v15-16, it switches to the little horn/Antichrist/person being brought down to hell. The person in 2Thessalonians2:3 is called the son of perdition. Which another time in the bible referred to Judas, who Satan entered to carry of the betrayal of Jesus.

From that, it appears that Satan will enter the Antichrist person to carry out the act of betrayal to the Jewish people when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood. His act previously recorded in Ezekiel 28:1-10.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

It goes back all the way to Genesis, when Satan through the serpent, claimed that Adam and Eve could become like God, i.e. gods themselves.

The little horn person in Daniel 8 rises to power, by craft, not his own power. In Jewish mysticism, Kabbalah, there is the belief that a person can direct the angels to accomplished the adepts goals and agenda. It is a dangerous practice because it can go array. There is a story about the rise and fall of Rabbi Joseph Della Reina, who attempted to bring in the messianic age, by binding up the Samael and Lillith. But the rabbi made a mis-step and ended up going off the deep end, ultimately drowning himself.

The story is on the internet, by a google search, on the rise and fall of Rabbi Joseph Della Reina, if you want to read about it. (oops, I just tried and could not open the blog site - I think it was taken down dreamingofmoshiach.blogsp...oseph.html Oh, it did finally come up, it took several minutes to load.)


Since then, to practice Kabbalah, Jews are required to be 40 years old and married.

Anyway, the little horn person gets involved with Satan, and that is the beginning of his end. Daniel 8:

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

In Revelation 13, the person receives his power from the dragon, Satan.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Douggg said:

Ezekiel 28:16-19, figuratively speaks of Satan as the king of Tyre. Tyre is not Babylon. Tyre was a city state on the island of Tyre (until Alexander connected it to the mainland).

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Yeah, I fixed that, but the point is the same.

Douggg said:

Ezekiel 28:1-10, figuratively speaks of the little horn/Antichrist/beast person as the prince of Tyre.

A prince is the son of the king. Implying the figurative saying regarding the prince as "son of hell" "son of perdition".

Satan is figuratively the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14, beginning in v12. Then in v15-16, it switches to the little horn/Antichrist/person being brought down to hell. The person in 2Thessalonians2:3 is called the son of perdition. Which another time in the bible referred to Judas, who Satan entered to carry of the betrayal of Jesus.

From that, it appears that Satan will enter the Antichrist person to carry out the act of betrayal to the Jewish people when he goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood. His act previously recorded in Ezekiel 28:1-10.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

It goes back all the way to Genesis, when Satan through the serpent, claimed that Adam and Eve could become like God, i.e. gods themselves.

The little horn person in Daniel 8 rises to power, by craft, not his own power. In Jewish mysticism, Kabbalah, there is the belief that a person can direct the angels to accomplished the adepts goals and agenda. It is a dangerous practice because it can go array. There is a story about the rise and fall of Rabbi Joseph Della Reina, who attempted to bring in the messianic age, by binding up the Samael and Lillith. But the rabbi made a mis-step and ended up going off the deep end, ultimately drowning himself.

The story is on the internet, by a google search, on the rise and fall of Rabbi Joseph Della Reina, is you want to read about it.

Since then, to practice Kabbalah, Jews are required to be 40 years old and married.

Anyway, the little horn person, gets involved with Satan, and that is the beginning of his end. Daniel 8:

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

In Revelation 13, the person receives his power from the dragon, Satan.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

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Imagine how much time and energy you would save to do something, if you had not study futurism so much, trying to connect all the details in a way it makes sense to you.

myst33 said:

Or, the word "prince" is simply used as a synonym for "king" in the original language and all your speculation can be thrown out of window.

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In Daniel 9:25, it is messiah the prince.

Jesus is the Son of God. "The" messiah is the promised great "King of Israel" descended from king David.

Before Saul, followed by David, became kings of Israel, God was the King of Israel.

1Samuel1212 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.

Just as Israel rejected God as their king earlier, they rejected God come into the world as Jesus to be the King of Israel, messiah. Having salvation.

Douggg said:

In Daniel 9:25, it is messiah the prince.

Jesus is the Son of God. "The" messiah is the promised great "King of Israel" descended from king David.

Before Saul, followed by David, became kings of Israel, God was the King of Israel.

1Samuel1212 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.

Just as Israel rejected God as their king earlier, they rejected God come into the world as Jesus to be the King of Israel, messiah. Having salvation.

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Daniel 9:25: ἕως χριστοῦ ἡγουμένου
STRONGS NT 2232: ἡγεμών - governor, prince, ruler

Matthew 2:2: βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων
STRONGS NT 935: βασιλεύς- leader of the people, prince, commander, lord of the land, king

Dont you think you are creating too much theology on details or even on English translator' choices?

myst33 said:

Daniel 9:25: ἕως χριστοῦ ἡγουμένου
STRONGS NT 2232: ἡγεμών - governor, prince, ruler

Matthew 2:2: βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων
STRONGS NT 935: βασιλεύς- leader of the people, prince, commander, lord of the land, king

Dont you think you are creating too much theology on details or even on English translator' choices?

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I hardly ever refer to Strong's except to investigate when someone makes a claim based on it - which usually turns out to be misapplication of multiple definitions for one word.

Douggg said:

I hardly ever refer to Strong's except to investigate when someone makes a claim based on it - which usually turns out to be misapplication of multiple definitions for one word.

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The point is that its a translator's choice to translate a word this or that. Why to base some specific theology on that?

myst33 said:

The point is that its a translator's choice to translate a word this or that. Why to base some specific theology on that?

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It think the KJV was translated by teams and not one person. Anyway, I don't really care to get into all that.

The little horn person in Daniel 8 indicates he rises to power by craft. And that is how his association with Satan begins, through Kabbalah..

Here is a link to the rise and fall of Rabbi Jospeh Reina using one of the principles of kabbalah of controlling angels...and how it can go awry.

Dreaming of Moshiach: The Story: Rise and Fall of Rabbi Joseph Della Reina

Douggg said:

The little horn person in Daniel 8 indicates he rises to power by craft. And that is how his association with Satan begins, through Kabbalah..

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...or through laser guns. Or simply by being a smart politician or by being cruel or...its the aliens.

Thats why these speculation are so useless.

myst33 said:

...or through laser guns. Or simply by being a smart politician or by being cruel or...its the aliens.

Thats why these speculation are so useless.

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Satan, the dragon gives power to the little horn>Antichrist>beast person.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


It is through craft, not his own power, that his power is mighty. Craft which he practises and causes to prosper in his hand.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Douggg said:

Satan, the dragon gives power to the little horn>Antichrist>beast person.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


It is through craft, not his own power, that his power is mighty. Craft which he practises and causes to prosper in his hand.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

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Again, you are inventing too many theories based on a word. Craft can be any skill. People do not have to be satanists or do magic to get to power.

Also, I am not sure why you are jumping from Ezekiel to Daniel to Revelation. Rome had so much power that nobody could stand against it.

"And his power shall be great, and he shall destroy wonderfully, and prosper, and practise, and shall destroy mighty men, and the holy people."
Daniel 8:24 (I chose to use Septuagint that does not have this clause you deem so important... now what?)

myst33 said:

Again, you are inventing too many theories based on a word. Craft can be any skill. People do not have to be satanists or do magic to get to power.

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Craft can be a skill. Or it can imply the occult, such as witchcraft, which is in the bible. Since it involves power, and since it is practised by the little horn, and since he causes craft to prosper in his hand - it is talking about the occult practices.

myst33 said:

Also, I am not sure why you are jumping from Ezekiel to Daniel to Revelation. Rome had so much power that nobody could stand against it.

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Because information about the little horn>Antichrist>beast is contained in different places in the bible.

myst33 said:

"And his power shall be great, and he shall destroy wonderfully, and prosper, and practise, and shall destroy mighty men, and the holy people."
Daniel 8:24 (I chose to use Septuagint that does not have this clause you deem so important... now what?)

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In 2Thessalonains2:8-9, the person is revealed as the man of sin, after the working of Satan to get him to power as the little horn, leader of the EU.

little horn/Antichrist/beast

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Satan works to get the little horn person to power...

who later the person becomes the King of Israel messiah (the Antichrist) for a while...

who when he commits the transgression of desolation act, is revealed as the man of sin and not the messiah after all (the Jews will realize their mistake) ....

and becomes the beast in Revelation who Satan gives him power full of lying wonders, in Revelation 13:4.

Idk why so many threads open up speculation on who the Anti Christ is. Why? Because Jesus said his second coming is at a time that NOBODY will expect.

Think about it. Covid-19 Outbroke and tore the world into shatters last December. They're still struggling to get vaccinations to everybody. EX President Trump caused nothing but chaos into his wake. If there's anytime a person would expect somebody of being the Anti-Christ it was Trump. He fit the biblical definition to a tee. However, we're missing something... oh yeah. During these recent events we would expect God to come back and to reverse things going on. So guess what, he aint coming back and we have no way of knowing who the antichrist is because, IMO we're all going to be raptured before the 7 year tribulation days because God promised to protect us from them. So, why worry about who the Anti Christ, Beast, False Prophet, or what the mark of the beast is? God is going to protect us from them all whether we're all raptured or not. So, when this does go down, the world will be in fear and WE won't be because like always, God will have our back.

Mike_Tang1991 said:

Hi,

Is it possible the "Antichrist" or "Man of Lawlessness" is a French Canadian-Chinese ?


And what will the Antichrist/Man of Lawlessness do ? Set up a "New World Order" ?

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JS: not likely given the first beast is Germany (wounded after WWII when it was divided into two and healed when the Berlin Wall fell). So likely the second beast is German.

Given what Canadians believe about bacon, anything is possible.

myst33 said:

Does not work with Daniel's timeline at all.

Aha

And the New Jerusalem is a physical literal gigantic city floating over our planet? Something like ISS?

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No the city will not float. It will be in a similar spot as the Garden of Eden in the original earth. Is Genesis 2 symbolic and never literally happened? You live in Satan's virtual reality, and accept it is literal. Why reject God's literal Word about many literal created phenomenon? Why symbolize the literal to place it either out of understanding, or to a point it can never have an application?

Daniel's timeline does not contain the 70th week. Daniel is not claiming anything. God through Gabriel is making the time frame. Gabriel does not claim completion in the first century. That is an assumption. The point is at the end of the 70th week all will be accomplished. John takes Daniel to the end and claims the 7th Trumpet will be the time all things are brought to completion. Daniel 9:27 is the days of the sound of the 7th Trumpet, according to Revelation 10:7.

Can you prove the gap was 40 years and not 1991 years? It will not end until the 7th Trumpet. Jesus Christ gives us that when He declares:

"they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with tremendous power and glory. He will send out his angels with a great shofar"

That did not happen in the first century. It is still future. Jesus does not point out the gap is done at the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. The end is not until after the Second Coming. Desolation is not the same as the abomination of Daniel. The abomination happened almost 200 years before Messiah was cut off, and will happen again almost 2000 years after Messiah was cut off.

Timtofly said:

Can you prove the gap was 40 years and not 1991 years? It will not end until the 7th Trumpet. Jesus Christ gives us that when He declares:

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One generation is roughly 40 years. Jesus said it will happen before the generation of his listeners will pass. He said that in around 30-33AD, it happened in around 66-70AD.

Proven.

Its hard to imagine that some of those people live for 1991 years and still waiting. Can you prove that they are still alive somewhere?

Douggg said:

Tim, who is this person in blue...Satan, or another human being like the beast?

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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The FP is the final end of the beast out of the sea. Antiochus Epiphanies was a type of what was to come, and part of the history of the beast out of sea. It has been at least a 2300 year history if not 2500 years. The Persians were brought to an end by Alexander and Greece. Then the Romans, and now we have been in a desolation gap. Satan's FP is the end of that desolation. Satan will also be revealed, because at the Second Coming his virtual reality of the last 2500 years will come crashing down. Does the pre-emptive appearance of Satan hurt Satan or strengthen his position? No one is even allowing Satan to be revealed first. They falsely point out an AC. There is no 2500 year old AC. Satan is the being that has been hiding out with the Greeks and Romans, and probably still maintains a presence in Rome to this day. John claims he appears after the FP. It is only Satan and the FP. Then they create an image, the abomination of desolation together, and place it in the Temple that no one can agree about. This image is their AC concoction. John never calls it or them the AC. The image remains the beast the whole 42 months.

Who is the FP? It will be some human accepted by all religions in the world due to the nature of this person's reveal onto the political scene. Does Satan bring Antiochus Epiphanies back to the present day some how? Some here try to fit all into the current Israel state of being. You have to remember that most of Israel will be gone by that time, because you have the timeline totally reversed from what Jesus Christ gives in the Olivet Discourse. Jesus gave the answers in the order of the disciples questions, not the order of when all would happen. The questions again were. When is the destruction of the Temple? When is the end? When is the Second Coming? Yes the Temple was destroyed first. But the abomination of desolation happens after the Second Coming. Yes Jesus likens Antiochus Epiphanies to the destruction by the Romans, but 70AD was not the abomination, only the desolation of Jerusalem. Jesus kept saying the end was not yet, in answer to "the end?".

Then Jesus describes the Second Coming. The Second Coming is before the Abomination and prior to the end. The disciples did not have to ask the questions in a proper order. Nor does any one have to claim it was all fulfilled in 70AD. People can believe whatever comes into their minds, as obviously there are many differing views of the end times. Why would the end come before the Second Coming? Why is the end declared in 70AD, before the church had barely been established? Many in 50AD had thought it had all ended already as well. The end of Jerusalem in 70AD was hardly the end of the church. The Second Coming is not the end of the Temple and Jerusalem either. The Second Coming is the end of the church. Then whatever Jesus does with the angels and the Trumpet of God, should have nothing to do with the church at all. Yet today's church inserts herself into the Trumpet judgments based on God’s judgment on Satan. The Second Coming is Christ on earth. Christ deals directly with the Israel alive at that time. The church is gone, because Christ is on earth. How it all works out was not told by John. The emphasis was on the Judgment aspect, not even restoration until after Armageddon. Since no book in the NT covers a rebuilt Temple, one only has the OT, and has to figure out how it works out.

The building of the Temple and a pre-emptive move by Satan is still hazy, like Paul said looking through glass that is not quite clear, yet. May not be clear, until after it happens, on why it remains a necessary mystery.

myst33 said:

One generation is roughly 40 years. Jesus said it will happen before the generation of his listeners will pass. He said that in around 30-33AD, it happened in around 66-70AD.

Proven.

Its hard to imagine that some of those people live for 1991 years and still waiting. Can you prove that they are still alive somewhere?

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No one is denying the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. Jesus answered that particular question. You claim all the questions had answers in 70AD. They did not!

Timtofly said:

No one is denying the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem. Jesus answered that particular question. You claim all the questions had answers in 70AD. They did not!

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Neither Jesus nor apostles nor Daniel ever separated the events to happen in different generations, even in generations separated by 2,000 years.