New Better covenant rendered old Sinai covenant obsolete

BrotherJJ · Apr 2, 2021

Heb 5:
6 just as He also says in another place [Ps 110:4], “You are a priest [appointed] forever According to the order of [a]Melchizedek.”
(MY MOTE: Jesus Priesthood covenant is eternal)

Heb 7:
21 (for those Levites who formerly became priests [received their office] without [its being confirmed by the taking of] an oath, but this One [was designated] with an oath through the One who said to Him, “The Lord has sworn And will not change His mind or regret it, ‘You (Christ) are a Priest forever’”).
(MY NOTE: The FORMER Mosaic Levitical priesthood has been replaced via an eternal Priesthood)

22 And so [because of the oath’s greater strength and force] Jesus has become the certain guarantee of a better covenant [a more excellent and more advantageous agreement; one that will never be replaced or annulled].
(MY NOTE: Jesus Priesthood covenant is FOREVER better then, the Mosaic priesthood it REPLACED)

Heb 8:13 When God speaks of “A new covenant,” He makes the first one obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete (out of use, annulled) and growing old is ready to disappear.
(MY NOTE: Christ Eternal Priestly covenant ANNULLED & rendered the Mosaic covenant OBSOLETE forever)

Heb 9:15 For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
(MY NOTE: Faith in Christs sin payment & resurrection REDEEMS the believer from the condemnation/judgment imposed under the NOW OBSOLETE Mosaic covenant)

Theme throughout Hebrews chapter 10 is: BETTER

Christ is better: Better then angels, because they worship the Christ. Better then Moses, because He created Him. Better then the Aaronic priesthood, because Christ's sin sacrifice is ONCE FOR ALL TIME. Better then the law, because Christ mediates a Better covenant.

"Better Sacrifice" is the context in the following verse's: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 12.

"New Better Covenant" is the context in verse's: 9, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21.

In 18 of the first 21 verses context is: "BETTER SACRIFICE or NEW BETTER COVENANT"

In my opinion, it's time to lift-up in praise & thanksgiving: Christ's finished work of redemption & resurrection. Placing all focus on Christ & His righteousness, not our own.

Leave the Mosaic covenant on the ash pile of history where Christ retired it to:

Matt 27:51 And [at once] the veil [of the Holy of Holies] of the temple was [l]torn in two from top to bottom; the earth shook and the rocks were split apart.
(MY NOTE: Next, the New ETERNAL Covenant/Melchizedek Priesthood begins in resurrection power 3 days later. 1st implementation is seen here:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].

The Holy Spirit of God indwelt believers = New Melchizedek Priesthood Covenant. God's presents no longer dwells (nor ever again will) in a Tabernacle or Temple (Mosaic covenant) inner sanctuary/Holy of Holies, made with human hands.)

REDEEMED believers are NOW the Temple where a Holy God's Spirit forever indwells. Amen

A_Thinker · Apr 2, 2021

New Better covenant rendered old Sinai covenant obsolete

It did indeed ...

Soyeong · Apr 2, 2021

BrotherJJ said:
Heb 5:
6 just as He also says in another place [Ps 110:4], “You are a priest [appointed] forever According to the order of [a]Melchizedek.”
(MY MOTE: Jesus Priesthood covenant is eternal)

Heb 7:
21 (for those Levites who formerly became priests [received their office] without [its being confirmed by the taking of] an oath, but this One [was designated] with an oath through the One who said to Him, “The Lord has sworn And will not change His mind or regret it, ‘You (Christ) are a Priest forever’”).
(MY NOTE: The FORMER Mosaic Levitical priesthood has been replaced via an eternal Priesthood)

22 And so [because of the oath’s greater strength and force] Jesus has become the certain guarantee of a better covenant [a more excellent and more advantageous agreement; one that will never be replaced or annulled].
(MY NOTE: Jesus Priesthood covenant is FOREVER better then, the Mosaic priesthood it REPLACED)

Heb 8:13 When God speaks of “A new covenant,” He makes the first one obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete (out of use, annulled) and growing old is ready to disappear.
(MY NOTE: Christ Eternal Priestly covenant ANNULLED & rendered the Mosaic covenant OBSOLETE forever)

Heb 9:15 For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
(MY NOTE: Faith in Christs sin payment & resurrection REDEEMS the believer from the condemnation/judgment imposed under the NOW OBSOLETE Mosaic covenant)

Theme throughout Hebrews chapter 10 is: BETTER

Christ is better: Better then angels, because they worship the Christ. Better then Moses, because He created Him. Better then the Aaronic priesthood, because Christ's sin sacrifice is ONCE FOR ALL TIME. Better then the law, because Christ mediates a Better covenant.

"Better Sacrifice" is the context in the following verse's: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 11, 12.

"New Better Covenant" is the context in verse's: 9, 10, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21.

In 18 of the first 21 verses context is: "BETTER SACRIFICE or NEW BETTER COVENANT"

In my opinion, it's time to lift-up in praise & thanksgiving: Christ's finished work of redemption & resurrection. Placing all focus on Christ & His righteousness, not our own.

Leave the Mosaic covenant on the ash pile of history where Christ retired it to:

Matt 27:51 And [at once] the veil [of the Holy of Holies] of the temple was [l]torn in two from top to bottom; the earth shook and the rocks were split apart.
(MY NOTE: Next, the New ETERNAL Covenant/Melchizedek Priesthood begins in resurrection power 3 days later. 1st implementation is seen here:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].

The Holy Spirit of God indwelt believers = New Melchizedek Priesthood Covenant. God's presents no longer dwells (nor ever again will) in a Tabernacle or Temple (Mosaic covenant) inner sanctuary/Holy of Holies, made with human hands.)

REDEEMED believers are NOW the Temple where a Holy God's Spirit forever indwells. Amen

While we are under the New Covenant not the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same laws for how to testify about His nature. If the laws for how to testify about God's nature were to change when the New Covenant was made, then God's nature would not be eternal, but it is eternal, so the only way that the New Covenant could have different laws would be if it were made with a different God with a different nature. To reject the Mosaic Law is to reject the nature of who the God of Israel has revealed Himself to be and the nature of who Christ is because Christ is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed through living in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law (Hebrews 1:3). While Hebrews 8 speaks about the New Covenant being superior because it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator, it says nothing about being made with a superior God with a superior nature and superior laws, but rather it still involves following the same law (Hebrews 8:10).

BrotherJJ · Apr 2, 2021

For the many trapped/stuck in a work based doctrine.

King James Bible Dictionary REMISSION: Forgiveness; pardon; that is, the giving up of the punishment due to a crime; as the remission of sins. Matt. 26. Heb. 9.

King James Bible Dictionary FORGIV'EN: Pardoned remitted.

Eph 1:7 In Jesus Christ we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
(NOTE: Believers have <PRESENT TENSE> forgiveness of sins < PURAL)

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words; Forgiven:
(a) "to bestow a favor unconditionally," is used of the act of "forgiveness," whether Divine, Ephesians 4:32 ; Colossians 2:13 ; 3:13.

(b) Romans 4:7 ; James 5:15 ; 1 John 1:9 ; 2:12. Firstly signifies the remission of the punishment due to sinful conduct, the deliverance of the sinner from the penalty Divinely, and therefore righteously, imposed. Secondly, it involves the complete removal of the cause of offense; such remission is based upon the vicarious and propitiatory sacrifice of Christ.

King James Bible dictionary say's; believers sins are PARDONED.

Vines Bible dictionary say's; the believers sin forgiveness is UNCONDITIONAL.

Additional context:
Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
(NOTE: Written to believers see Col 1:2. Forgive each other as God thru Christ forgave <PAST TENCE> you.)

Col 3:13 Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
(NOTE: Written to believers see Col 1:2. Vs 13 As the Lord has < PAST TENSE > forgiven you)

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
(NOTE: This new testament sin management blood covenant is >>> EVERLASTING!)

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

(PART A NOTE: For by one offering = Christ's sin atoning sacrifice that Bought & Paid in Full sins required price/DEATH. PART B NOTE: He hath perfected FOREVER. PART C NOTE: Those He has sanctified)

KJV Dictionary SANCTIFICA'TION definition: The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose.
(MY NOTE: To sanctify, something is to set it apart for special use. The moment we believe/trust place our faith in Christ's Sin atoning death, burial & resurrection. God saves/judicially justifies (sealing us via His Holy Spirit) & sanctifies/sets us apart: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) - Eph 2:8 10 God has made us what we are. In Christ Jesus, God made us new people so that we would spend our lives doing the good things he had already planned for us to do.

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified = Judicially declared righteous by a sovereign
Creator God = Saved (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure via receiving the eternal seal of God's indwelling Holy Spirit. We are also SANCTIFIED = set apart for a for an ongoing purpose/work/mission that continues until the day we meet the Lord.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Salvation - (b) of the spiritual and eternal deliverance granted immediately by God to those who accept His conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus, in whom alone it is to be obtained, Acts 4:12 , and upon confession of Him as Lord, Romans 10:10 ; for this purpose the gospel is the saving instrument, Romans 1:16 ; Ephesians 1:13)

(MY NOTE: "Eternal deliverance granted immediately" by God to those who accept His conditions of sin confession & faith in the Lord Jesus)

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
(NOTE: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Also see Mat 3:11, Lk 3:16 & Jn 1:33)

Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit is salvations eternal SEAL (2 Cor 1:22, 2 Tim 1:14, 2 Cor 5:5, Eph 4:30)

2 Tim 1:14 Refers to the Holy Spirit as a Good Deposit.

2 Cor 5:5, Eph 1:14 & 2 Cor 1:22. Refer to the Holy Spirit as "the earnest" = Deposit or Pledge.

Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30 Refer to the Holy Spirit as a Seal.

2 Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit dwelling within us. Is God's good deposit given us until the day of redemption)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us the "earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: God's Holy Spirit dwelling within us is the earnest. Earnest means a deposit/pledge.)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE: God has placed His Holy Spirit in the believers heart. As a DEPOSIT/PLEDGE & SEAL, until the soon coming day of our final redemption)

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(NOTE: You heard about Christ's finished sin redemptive payment & resurrection. When you believed/trusted, Christ sealed/baptized you with His Holy Spirit).

Eph 1:14 Which is the "earnest" of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(NOTE: The Holy Spirit by which only Christ baptizes/seals & indwells us. Is God's earnest = a down payment/pledge)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: Believers are SEALED with God's Holy Spirit until the day of bodily redemption)

1 Jn 5:13 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(NOTE: That you may know ""PRESENT TENSE"" that you have eternal life)

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(NOTE: Salvation/Righteousness GIFTS received by FAITH ALONE. Believers are Forever Forgiven! God doesn't go back on His Word or Promised gifts)

Believers ALL you're sins PAST-PRESENT-FUTURE have been FORGIVEN! Time to REJOICE!

It's time to free yourselves:
From the Mosaic law ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (2 Cor 3:7)

From the Mosaic law ministration of condemnation (2:Cor 3:9)

BrotherJJ · Apr 2, 2021

Soyeong said:
To reject the Mosaic Law is to reject the nature of who the God of Israel has revealed Himself to be and the nature of who Christ is because Christ is the exact expression of God's nature, which he expressed through living in sinless obedience to the Mosaic Law

Jer 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(MY NOTE: The Lord our God foretells/promises. One day He'll cut New Covenant with Israel)

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
(MY NOTE: The New Covenant promised will be DIFFERENT from the Old/Mosaic Covenant cut with Israel on Mt Sinai)

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(MY NOTE: Under the New Covenant the law will be put inside them. This happened Acts 2:4 when the Lord our God baptized believing Jews with His indwelling Holy Spirit. Years later at Cornelius house (Acts 10) this New New SPIRITUAL covenant is expanded to gentiles. That were never part of the Old Mosaic covenant. Eph 2:12, Acts 15:24, Rom 2;14, 6:14)

Heb 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(MY NOTE: Christ mediates/administers a BETTER more excellent ministry/priesthood. Established on BETTER promises then the old NOW OBSOLETE - Heb 7:21, 22, 8:13, 9:15 - Mosaic covenant)

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(MY NOTE: The Lord our God exposes fault in the 1st covenant. Therefore established a New BETTER Covenant)

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(MY NOTE: The fault was with the people that BROKE IT - reread Jer 31:32 above)

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(MY NOTE: The New Covenant promised will be DIFFERENT from the Old/Mosaic Covenant cut with Israel on Mt Sinai. Because they BROKE the 1st covenant that they AGGREED to Ex 19:8)

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(MY NOTE: (MY NOTE: Under the New Covenant the law will be put inside them. This happened Acts 2:4 when the Lord our God baptized believing Jews with His indwelling Holy Spirit. Years later at Cornelius house (Acts 10) this New New SPIRITUAL covenant is expanded to gentiles. That were never under/part of, the Old Mosaic covenant. Eph 2:12, Acts 15:24, Rom 2;14, 6:14)

WARNING! Don't Mix The New Covenant With The Old Covenant

Matt 9
16 No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the new patch tears away from the garment, & a worse tear is made

17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst & the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. New wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved

Mark 2
21 No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new patch tears away from it, the new from the old, & a worse tear is made

22 No one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins & the wine is destroyed, & so are the skins. But new wine is for fresh wineskins

Luke 5
36 He also told them a parable: No one tears a piece from a new garment & puts it on an old garment. If he does, he will tear the new, & the piece from the new will not match the old.

37 No one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins & it will be spilled, & the skins will be destroyed

All 3 writers are showing us
Old garments & OLD wine = "OLD"= covenant= Works thru Law keeping.

New garments & NEW wine = "NEW"= covenant= By Grace thru Faith

Lesson: Don't Mix the 2
Lk 39 Pharisee's want to keep the OLD. See (Matt 23:13, 23:37-39) to see what Jesus thought about them

Jesus healed & forgave: sickness, people with demons, people caught in adultery (back then this carried the death penalty!) Yet, He forgave them. He constantly rebuked & reproved the Law loving Pharisee's

Rev 3
15 “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!

16 So, because you are lukewarm & neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

Hot = "New" Covenant: Grace thru Faith

Cold = "Old" Covenant The Law by works.

Lesson: Mixing the two covenants makes the Christ, want to throw-up (Rev 3:16)

Don't mix the 2 covenants: They are DIFFERENT/SEPARATE! (Jer 31:32, Heb 8:9)

Soyeong · Apr 3, 2021

BrotherJJ said:
Jer 31:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
(MY NOTE: The Lord our God foretells/promises. One day He'll cut New Covenant with Israel)

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
(MY NOTE: The New Covenant promised will be DIFFERENT from the Old/Mosaic Covenant cut with Israel on Mt Sinai)

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(MY NOTE: Under the New Covenant the law will be put inside them. This happened Acts 2:4 when the Lord our God baptized believing Jews with His indwelling Holy Spirit. Years later at Cornelius house (Acts 10) this New New SPIRITUAL covenant is expanded to gentiles. That were never part of the Old Mosaic covenant. Eph 2:12, Acts 15:24, Rom 2;14, 6:14)

While New Covenant is different from the Mosaic Covenant, it still follows the same law, so there difference is not in regard to God's law, but rather it describes the difference in regard to being based on better promises and having a superior mediator. The New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts so that we will obey it, not so that we will have an excuse to refuse to obey it.

Heb 8:
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(MY NOTE: Christ mediates/administers a BETTER more excellent ministry/priesthood. Established on BETTER promises then the old NOW OBSOLETE - Heb 7:21, 22, 8:13, 9:15 - Mosaic covenant)

Again, it describes the differences as being in regard to being based on better promises and having a superior mediator, but it says nothing about having different laws.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(MY NOTE: The Lord our God exposes fault in the 1st covenant. Therefore established a New BETTER Covenant)

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(MY NOTE: The fault was with the people that BROKE IT - reread Jer 31:32 above)

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(MY NOTE: The New Covenant promised will be DIFFERENT from the Old/Mosaic Covenant cut with Israel on Mt Sinai. Because they BROKE the 1st covenant that they AGGREED to Ex 19:8)

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(MY NOTE: (MY NOTE: Under the New Covenant the law will be put inside them. This happened Acts 2:4 when the Lord our God baptized believing Jews with His indwelling Holy Spirit. Years later at Cornelius house (Acts 10) this New New SPIRITUAL covenant is expanded to gentiles. That were never under/part of, the Old Mosaic covenant. Eph 2:12, Acts 15:24, Rom 2;14, 6:14)

God did not find fault with His law, but with the people for not keeping it, so the solution is to create a New Covenant where this time they would keep it.

WARNING! Don't Mix The New Covenant With The Old Covenant

Matt 9
16 No one puts a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the new patch tears away from the garment, & a worse tear is made

17 Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst & the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. New wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved

Mark 2
21 No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new patch tears away from it, the new from the old, & a worse tear is made

22 No one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins & the wine is destroyed, & so are the skins. But new wine is for fresh wineskins

Luke 5
36 He also told them a parable: No one tears a piece from a new garment & puts it on an old garment. If he does, he will tear the new, & the piece from the new will not match the old.

37 No one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins & it will be spilled, & the skins will be destroyed

All 3 writers are showing us
Old garments & OLD wine = "OLD"= covenant= Works thru Law keeping.

New garments & NEW wine = "NEW"= covenant= By Grace thru Faith

I have said nothing about mixing covenants or about being under the Mosaic Covenant, but you are rather blatantly taking those parables out of context to make a point that had nothing to do with the question that Jesus was using those parables to answer.

Lesson: Don't Mix the 2
Lk 39 Pharisee's want to keep the OLD. See (Matt 23:13, 23:37-39) to see what Jesus thought about them

Jesus healed & forgave: sickness, people with demons, people caught in adultery (back then this carried the death penalty!) Yet, He forgave them. He constantly rebuked & reproved the Law loving Pharisee's

Jesus was not asked about which commandments we should still follow, but about what the greatest commandment is, and the existence of the greatest two commandments implies that there are still other commandments that are not the greatest. The greatest two commandments are the greatest because they are inclusive of all of the other commandments.

Christ's problem with the Pharisees was not that they were doing what God commanded them to do, but with their hypocrisy, so he was not trying to get them to stop obeying God, but rather he was calling them to a fuller obedience. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the law of justice, mercy, and faith.

Rev 3
15 “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!

16 So, because you are lukewarm & neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

Hot = "New" Covenant: Grace thru Faith

Cold = "Old" Covenant The Law by works.

Lesson: Mixing the two covenants makes the Christ, want to throw-up (Rev 3:16)

Don't mix the 2 covenants: They are DIFFERENT/SEPARATE! (Jer 31:32, Heb 8:9)

Again, I agree that they are separate covenants and have said nothing to suggest that we should mix them, but you are again rather blatantly taking these verses out of context.

BrotherJJ · Apr 3, 2021

Soyeong said:
I have said nothing about mixing covenants or about being under the Mosaic Covenant.

I'm a bit confused by this statement. You have repeatedly invoked Mosaic law in replies on every threat I placed lately.

Bond and Free

21 Tell me, you who are bent on being under the Law, do you not listen to [what] the Law [really says]?

22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman [Hagar] and one by the free woman [Sarah].

23 But the child of the slave woman was born according to the flesh and had an ordinary birth, while the son of the free woman was born in fulfillment of the promise.

24 Now these facts are about to be used [by me] as an allegory [that is, I will illustrate by using them]: for these women can represent two covenants: one [covenant originated] from Mount Sinai [where the Law was given] that bears children [destined] for slavery; she is Hagar.
(MY NOTE: Hagar & Sarah represent 2 different covenants. Hagar represents the Old Mosaic LAW covenant, written on stone & a circumcision cut with human hands)

25 Now Hagar is (represents) Mount Sinai in Arabia and she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
(MY NOTE: The apostle compares the Sinai covenant: Quote:" Present day/earthly with slavery)

26 But the Jerusalem above [that is, the way of faith, represented by Sarah] is free; she is our mother.
(MY NOTE: Sarah represents the New from above/spititual Covenant written on the heart & mind Heb 8:10 & 10:16 cut without human hands Col 2:11 & Rom 2:29)

27 For it is written [in the Scriptures], “Rejoice, o barren woman who has not given birth;
Break forth into a [joyful] shout, you who are not in labor; For the desolate woman has many more children Than she who has a husband.”
(MY NOTE: Why is it that Hagar, who represents the Mosaic covenant cut on Sinai has NO husband?
Jer 3:8 And I saw [that even though Judah knew] that for all the acts of adultery (idolatry) of faithless Israel, I [the Lord] had [a]sent her away and given her a certificate of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah was not afraid; but she went and was a prostitute also [following after idols]. The LORD gave Sinai a DIVORCE!)

28 And we, [believing] brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children [not merely of physical descent, like Ishmael, but are children born] of promise [born miraculously].
(MY NOTE: Believers in Christ's death & resurrection are born miraculously/via Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit)

29 But as at that time the child [of ordinary birth] born according to the flesh persecuted the son who was born according to [the promise and working of] the Spirit, so it is now also.
(MY NOTE: Ever read what the Circumcision/Mosaic covenant LAW THUMPERS did to Stephen, Paul & almost all Jesus chosen disciples?)

30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman [Hagar] and her son [Ishmael], For never shall the son of the bondwoman be heir and share the inheritance with the son of the free woman.”
(MY NOTE: Time to STOP beating people over the head with a retired/obsolete covenant. (Heb 7:22, 8:13, 9:15, Matt 27:51)

31 So then, believers, we [who are born again—reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] are not children of a slave woman [the natural], but of the free woman [the supernatural].
(MY NOTE: NT believers are BORN/spiritually from God above & have NO PART with the slave woman's covenant cut at Sinai!)

Soyeong · Apr 3, 2021

BrotherJJ said:
I'm a bit confused by this statement. You have repeatedly invoked Mosaic law in replies on every threat I placed lately.

Bond and Free

21 Tell me, you who are bent on being under the Law, do you not listen to [what] the Law [really says]?

22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman [Hagar] and one by the free woman [Sarah].

23 But the child of the slave woman was born according to the flesh and had an ordinary birth, while the son of the free woman was born in fulfillment of the promise.

24 Now these facts are about to be used [by me] as an allegory [that is, I will illustrate by using them]: for these women can represent two covenants: one [covenant originated] from Mount Sinai [where the Law was given] that bears children [destined] for slavery; she is Hagar.
(MY NOTE: Hagar & Sarah represent 2 different covenants. Hagar represents the Old Mosaic LAW covenant, written on stone & a circumcision cut with human hands)

25 Now Hagar is (represents) Mount Sinai in Arabia and she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
(MY NOTE: The apostle compares the Sinai covenant: Quote:" Present day/earthly with slavery)

26 But the Jerusalem above [that is, the way of faith, represented by Sarah] is free; she is our mother.
(MY NOTE: Sarah represents the New from above/spititual Covenant written on the heart & mind Heb 8:10 & 10:16 cut without human hands Col 2:11 & Rom 2:29)

27 For it is written [in the Scriptures], “Rejoice, o barren woman who has not given birth;
Break forth into a [joyful] shout, you who are not in labor; For the desolate woman has many more children Than she who has a husband.”
(MY NOTE: Why is it that Hagar, who represents the Mosaic covenant cut on Sinai has NO husband?
Jer 3:8 And I saw [that even though Judah knew] that for all the acts of adultery (idolatry) of faithless Israel, I [the Lord] had [a]sent her away and given her a certificate of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah was not afraid; but she went and was a prostitute also [following after idols]. The LORD gave Sinai a DIVORCE!)

28 And we, [believing] brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children [not merely of physical descent, like Ishmael, but are children born] of promise [born miraculously].
(MY NOTE: Believers in Christ's death & resurrection are born miraculously/via Christ's indwelling Holy Spirit)

29 But as at that time the child [of ordinary birth] born according to the flesh persecuted the son who was born according to [the promise and working of] the Spirit, so it is now also.
(MY NOTE: Ever read what the Circumcision/Mosaic covenant LAW THUMPERS did to Stephen, Paul & almost all Jesus chosen disciples?)

30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman [Hagar] and her son [Ishmael], For never shall the son of the bondwoman be heir and share the inheritance with the son of the free woman.”
(MY NOTE: Time to STOP beating people over the head with a retired/obsolete covenant. (Heb 7:22, 8:13, 9:15, Matt 27:51)

31 So then, believers, we [who are born again—reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] are not children of a slave woman [the natural], but of the free woman [the supernatural].
(MY NOTE: NT believers are BORN/spiritually from God above & have NO PART with the slave woman's covenant cut at Sinai!)

The way to testify about God's righteousness is straightforwardly based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant, and God's righteousness is eternal, therefore any instructions that God has ever given for how to do what is righteous are eternally valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. Likewise, sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, and after it has become obsolete, so there is nothing about any number of covenants being made or becoming obsolete that changes which actions are righteous or sinful. Unbelievers are obligated to refrain from what the New Covenant reveals to be sin even through they aren't under the New Covenant, so there is nothing about not being under the Mosaic Covenant that means that we aren't obligated to refrain from doing what it reveals to be sin. God is sovereign, so even if He had never made any covenants with man, then we would still be obligated to do what is righteous and to refrain from sin. Christ set an example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and as his followers we should still follow his example even though we are under the New Covenant and not the Mosaic Covenant (1 Peter 2:21-22).

BrotherJJ · Apr 3, 2021

Soyeong said:
Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13)

set an example for us to follow how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and as his followers we should

In this reply you paint a works based salvation achieved via obedience to the Mosaic Law.

There is NO Mosaic law/works required under the New Covenant.

Why, because the Mosaic covenant is OBSOLETE (Heb 7:22, 8:13, 9:15, Matt 27:51) & not applicable to anyone alive today.

You cited Rom 5 the entire chapter is antithetical to Mosaic law/works doctrine.

Romans chapter context = Results from Justification

Rom 5:
1 Therefore, since we have been justified [that is, acquitted of sin, declared blameless before God] by faith, [let us grasp the fact that] we have peace with God [and the joy of reconciliation with Him] through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed).

(MY NOTE: Believers, by FAITH (not law keeping) have been Justified = Judicially declared righteousness by a sovereign God creator. GIVEN a complete Sin Pardon = PAST-PRESENT-FUTURE)

2 Through Him we also have access by faith into this [remarkable state of] grace in which we [firmly and safely and securely] stand. Let us rejoice in our [a]hope and the confident assurance of [experiencing and enjoying] the glory of [our great] God [the manifestation of His excellence and power].

(MY NOTE: We access God's grace thru FAITH not law keeping)

3 And not only this, but [with joy] let us exult in our sufferings and rejoice in our hardships, knowing that hardship (distress, pressure, trouble) produces patient endurance; 4 and endurance, proven character (spiritual maturity); and proven character, hope and confident assurance [of eternal salvation].

(MY NOTE: This God breathed scripture proclaims believers have a confident assurance of eternal salvation. Accessed by Faith Only, reread verses 1-2)

5 Such hope [in God’s promises] never disappoints us, because God’s love has been abundantly poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

(MY NOTE: This new covenant Holy Spirit who was given/indwells us. Is a SEAL of God's eternal new covenant/salvation promise. (Eph 1:13-14, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5 Eph 4:30, 2 Tim 1:14)

6 While we were still helpless [powerless to provide for our salvation], at the right time Christ died [as a substitute] for the ungodly.

(MY NOTE: Christ died for our SINS)

7 Now it is an extraordinary thing for one to willingly give his life even for an upright man, though perhaps for a good man [one who is noble and selfless and worthy] someone might even dare to die.

8 But God clearly shows and proves His own love for us, by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

(MY NOTE: While you were still a sinner, not because to did any good LAW KEEPING. Christ died for ALL your SINS!)

9 Therefore, since we have now been justified [declared free of the guilt of sin] by His blood, [how much more certain is it that] we will be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

(MY NOTE: Justified = Judicially declared Righteousness by a sovereign creator God. Thru FAITH in Jesus GOOD WORK, not ours)

10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, it is much more certain, having been reconciled, that we will be saved [from the consequences of sin] by His life [that is, we will be saved because Christ lives today].

(MY NOTE: Jesus work/payment was good enough & He doesn't need our great law keeping ability, thank you Father!)

11 Not only that, but we also rejoice in God [rejoicing in His love and perfection] through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received and enjoy our reconciliation [with God].

12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, so death spread to all people [no one being able to stop it or escape its power], because they all sinned.

13 Sin was [committed] in the world before the Law [was given], but sin is not charged [against anyone] when there is no law [against it].

(MY NOTE: Believers aren't now & never were under Mosaic law.)

14 Yet death ruled [over mankind] from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who had not sinned [c]as Adam did. Adam is a type of Him (Christ) who was to come [but in reverse—Adam brought destruction, Christ brought salvation].

15 But the free gift [of God] is not like the trespass [because the gift of grace overwhelms the fall of man]. For if many died by one man’s trespass [Adam’s sin], much more [abundantly] did God’s grace and the gift [that comes] by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to [benefit] the many.

(MY NOTE: Justification/righteousness/forgiveness/eternal life are ALL GIFTS from Jesus. A gift is GIVEN not EARNED)

16 Nor is the gift [of grace] like that which came through the one who sinned. For on the one hand the judgment [following the sin] resulted from one trespass and brought condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift resulted from many trespasses and brought justification [the release from sin’s penalty for those who believe].

(MY NOTE: Grace/justification/righteousness/forgiveness/eternal life are ALL GIFTS. A gift is GIVEN not EARNED)

17 For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.

(MY NOTE: Imputed Righteousness is a GIFT from Christ)

18 So then as through one trespass [Adam’s sin] there resulted condemnation for all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to [d]all men.

19 For just as through one man’s disobedience [his failure to hear, his carelessness] the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous and acceptable to God and brought into right standing with Him.

20 But the Law came to increase and expand [the awareness of] the trespass [by defining and unmasking sin]. But where sin increased, [God’s remarkable, gracious gift of] grace [His unmerited favor] has surpassed it and increased all the more,

21 so that, as sin reigned in death, so also grace would reign through righteousness which brings eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Jn 3:4 Sin is a transgression of the Law:

We've all have broken God's law. No one can say he is not a sinner until some means is provided (not to take away the law) but to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law.

FAITH placed in Jesus sin payment & resurrection takes away/removes ALL our sin - Past-Present-Future! Once our sins have been removed, there is no transgression of the law.

Soyeong · Apr 4, 2021

BrotherJJ said:
In this reply you paint a works based salvation achieved via obedience to the Mosaic Law.

Works-bases salvation is saying that we need to earn our salvation by our works, however, I have never started that, so I am not promoting works-based salvation. There can be reasons for doing works other than trying to earn our salvation, such as faith.

There is NO Mosaic law/works required under the New Covenant.

Why, because the Mosaic covenant is OBSOLETE (Heb 7:22, 8:13, 9:15, Matt 27:51) & not applicable to anyone alive today.

There is a difference between a set of instructions for how to testify about God's nature and covenant agreement that uses those instructions as stipulations. God's nature is eternal, so the way to testify about God's nature is also eternal and will never change no matter how many covenants are made or become obsolete. For example, it was against God's nature to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9 long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, and it remains against God's nature even after it has become obsolete, so the Mosaic Covenant becoming obsolete does not mean that we are no longer required to obey God's law, but rather are still required to obey God's law under the New Covenant (Romans 8:10). It would still be sinful to commit adultery even if God had never made any covenants with man.

You cited Rom 5 the entire chapter is antithetical to Mosaic law/works doctrine.

Romans chapter context = Results from Justification

Rom 5:
1 Therefore, since we have been justified [that is, acquitted of sin, declared blameless before God] by faith, [let us grasp the fact that] we have peace with God [and the joy of reconciliation with Him] through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed).

(MY NOTE: Believers, by FAITH (not law keeping) have been Justified = Judicially declared righteousness by a sovereign God creator. GIVEN a complete Sin Pardon = PAST-PRESENT-FUTURE)

God's law straightforwardly does what is was given to do and does not do what is was not given to do, so the fact that it was not given as a means of earning our justification does not mean that we do not need to obey it for the purposes for which it was given. It is not as though the fact that we do not earn our justification by obeying God does not mean that we are not obligated to obey God. In Romans 3:31, Paul did not want us to conclude from the fact that we are justified by faith apart from works of the law that our faith therefore abolishes our need to obey the Mosaic Law, but rather he concluded that our faith upholds it.

2 Through Him we also have access by faith into this [remarkable state of] grace in which we [firmly and safely and securely] stand. Let us rejoice in our [a]hope and the confident assurance of [experiencing and enjoying] the glory of [our great] God [the manifestation of His excellence and power].

(MY NOTE: We access God's grace thru FAITH not law keeping)

The fact that we have access to God's grace through faith does not mean that we don't need to obey God.

3 And not only this, but [with joy] let us exult in our sufferings and rejoice in our hardships, knowing that hardship (distress, pressure, trouble) produces patient endurance; 4 and endurance, proven character (spiritual maturity); and proven character, hope and confident assurance [of eternal salvation].

(MY NOTE: This God breathed scripture proclaims believers have a confident assurance of eternal salvation. Accessed by Faith Only, reread verses 1-2)

The fact that we do not earn our salvation by obeying God does not mean that we don't need to obey Him. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter eternal life, then obey the commandments, so that is how we access eternal salvation through faith.

5 Such hope [in God’s promises] never disappoints us, because God’s love has been abundantly poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

(MY NOTE: This new covenant Holy Spirit who was given/indwells us. Is a SEAL of God's eternal new covenant/salvation promise. (Eph 1:13-14, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5 Eph 4:30, 2 Tim 1:14)

The Holy Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

(MY NOTE: Believers aren't now & never were under Mosaic law.)

The Mosaic Law reveals what sin is and believes are obligated to refrain from sin.

14 Yet death ruled [over mankind] from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who had not sinned [c]as Adam did. Adam is a type of Him (Christ) who was to come [but in reverse—Adam brought destruction, Christ brought salvation].

15 But the free gift [of God] is not like the trespass [because the gift of grace overwhelms the fall of man]. For if many died by one man’s trespass [Adam’s sin], much more [abundantly] did God’s grace and the gift [that comes] by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to [benefit] the many.

(MY NOTE: Justification/righteousness/forgiveness/eternal life are ALL GIFTS from Jesus. A gift is GIVEN not EARNED)

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In Romans 6:19-23, no longer presenting ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, so obedience to God's law is itself part of God's gift. Someone who is righteous does what is righteous in obedience to God's law, so the gift of righteousness is the gift of obedience to God's law.

1 Jn 3:4 Sin is a transgression of the Law:

We've all have broken God's law. No one can say he is not a sinner until some means is provided (not to take away the law) but to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law.

FAITH placed in Jesus sin payment & resurrection takes away/removes ALL our sin - Past-Present-Future! Once our sins have been removed, there is no transgression of the law.

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We have all broken God's law, so we all need to repent and to return to obedience to it through faith in Jesus. The reason why Jesus set us free from sin was so that we would be free to obey God's law, not so that we would be free to return to living in sin.

BrotherJJ · Apr 4, 2021

Soyeong said:
In Romans 3:31, Paul did not want us to conclude from the fact that we are justified by faith apart from works of the law that our faith therefore abolishes our need to obey the Mosaic Law, but rather he concluded that our faith upholds it. The Holy Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law.

More of the same:
Here again you you promote & attempt to place people under the bondage/slavery of Mosaic law.

I'll in kind share more of the same:

No person alive today has any relationship or obligation to the Mosaic law covenant.

Why? It was retired here: Matt 27:51, has been replaced with a New Better covenant (Heb 10) & is forever OBSOLETE - Heb 7:21, 22, 8:13, 9:15.

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity a change of the law as well.
(MY NOTE: Old Mosaic Levitical covenant & ALL its law ordinances (Col 2:13) RETIRED! Replaced by the new covenant Law of Christ > Love God 1st & love & forgive others (Rom 13:8,10, Jn 13;34, Matt 22:37-40)

Heb 9:
15 Jesus is the Mediator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
(MY NOTE: Jesus administers a new covenant that Completely REDEEMS all sins punishment required under the old OBSOLETE now powerless Mosaic law covenant)

16 For where there is a will and testament involved, the death of the one who made it must be established,
(MY NOTE: Jesus death & resurrection RETIRED the old mosaic covenant & ESTABLISHED the new covenant administered by Jesus by our eternal Great High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek)

Find a reply (link below) to the Rom 3:31 posted without context leading to a false narrative.

Romans 3:31

Soyeong · Apr 4, 2021

BrotherJJ said:
More of the same:
Here again you you promote & attempt to place people under the bondage/slavery of Mosaic law.

Here again you promote and attempt to place people under bondage/slavery to sin. The reason that God freed the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt was not in order to put them under bondage to the Mosaic Law, but rather it is for freedom that God sets us free (Galatians 5:1), and the Mosaic Law is a law of freedom (Psalms 119:45). In Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is sin in transgression of the Mosaic Law that puts us in bondage while it is the truth that sets us free.

The view that we have of the the Mosaic Law matches the view that we have of the Lawgiver. For example, God is trustworthy, so the Mosaic Law therefore is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy. Likewise, a law that is holy, righteous, and good can only come from a God is holy, righteous, and good. The Psalms express an extremely positive view of the Mosaic Law, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, which certainly matched his view of the Lawgiver, so if we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of the Mosaic Law, then we will share it, as Paul did (Romans 7:22), while the view that it is slavery/bondage in incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture.

I'll in kind share more of the same:

No person alive today has any relationship or obligation to the Mosaic law covenant.

Why? It was retired here: Matt 27:51, has been replaced with a New Better covenant (Heb 10) & is forever OBSOLETE - Heb 7:21, 22, 8:13, 9:15.

I have never once stated that we are under the Mosaic Covenant.

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity a change of the law as well.
(MY NOTE: Old Mosaic Levitical covenant & ALL its law ordinances (Col 2:13) RETIRED! Replaced by the new covenant Law of Christ > Love God 1st & love & forgive others (Rom 13:8,10, Jn 13;34, Matt 22:37-40)

God is not in disagreement with Himself about which laws we should follow, so the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. Christ taught obedience to the Mosaic Law both by word and by example, so it wouldn't make sense to think that the Law of Christ was something other than what he taught. All of the Mosaic Laws are examples of what it means to love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the are all connected. In other words, the greatest two commandments are the greatest because they are inclusive of all of the other commandments. If we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit idolatry, adultery, theft, murder, and so forth for the other laws that God has given.

Heb 8:12 “For I will be merciful and gracious toward their wickedness, And I will remember their sins no more.”
(MY NOTE: New Covenant - ALL the believers sin > Past-Present-Future > Forgiven/Pardoned/Washed Away. NEVER to be remembered)

13 When God speaks of “A new covenant,” He makes the first one obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete (out of use, annulled) and growing old is ready to disappear.
(MY NOTE: Old Mosaic law covenant ANNULLED & OBSOLETE!)

In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following God's law, so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it. For example, it has always been and will always be sinful to commit adultery. It was sinful before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, and after it has become obsolete, so there is nothing about it become obsolete that means that we should no longer obey God's law against adultery, and the same is true of God's other laws.[/quote]

BrotherJJ · Apr 18, 2021

12 verses Gal 4:26 & 30 alone say it all

Source Amplified Bible BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

Galatians 4:
21 Tell me, you who are bent on being under the Law, do you not listen to [what] the Law [really says]?

22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman [Hagar] and one by the free woman [Sarah].

23 But the child of the slave woman was born according to the flesh and had an ordinary birth, while the son of the free woman was born in fulfillment of the promise.
(MY NOTE: Hagar's son, Ishmael, born via physical worldly desire. Sarah's son Issac born from above via God's promise)

24 Now these facts are about to be used [by me] as an allegory [that is, I will illustrate by using them]: for these women can represent two covenants: one [covenant originated] from Mount Sinai [where the Law was given] that bears children [destined] for slavery; she is Hagar.
(MY NOTE: 2 different covenants. Hagar represents the Old Mosaic covenant & a circumcision made/cut with human hands)

25 Now Hagar is (represents) Mount Sinai in Arabia and she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
(MY NOTE: The apostle compares the Sinai covenant: With SLAVERY)

26 But the Jerusalem above [that is, the way of faith, represented by Sarah] is free; she is our mother.
(MY NOTE: Sarah represents the New from above/spiritual Covenant. Spiritually written on the heart & mind (Heb 10:16) made without human hands (Col 2:11 & Rom 2:29, Deut 30:6)

27 For it is written [in the Scriptures], “Rejoice, o barren woman who has not given birth;
Break forth into a [joyful] shout, you who are not in labor; For the desolate woman has many more children Than she who has a husband.”

28 And we, [believing] brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children [not merely of physical descent, like Ishmael, but are children born] of promise [born miraculously].

29 But as at that time the child [of ordinary birth] born according to the flesh persecuted the son who was born according to [the promise and working of] the Spirit, so it is now also.

30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman [Hagar] and her son [Ishmael], For never shall the son of the bondwoman be heir and share the inheritance with the son of the free woman.”
(MY NOTE: Those that cling to the OLD Mosaic covenant, CAN NEVER partake in the NEW eternal Christ mediated covenant.)

31 So then, believers, we [who are born again—reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] are not children of a slave woman [the natural], but of the free woman [the supernatural].
(MY NOTE: NT believers are BORN/spiritually from God above & have NO PART with the slave woman's carnal/physical/temporal covenant cut at Sinai!)

POINT TWO:

Find 7 direct C&P Bible versions below that translators use the word OBSOLETE to describe the old Mosaic covenant
You can find more here: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

Amplified Bible:
Heb 8:13 When God speaks of “A new covenant,” He makes the first one obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete (out of use, annulled) and growing old is ready to disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE/ANNULLED!)

New American Standard Bible:
Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is [m]about to disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

New International Version:
Heb 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Revised Geneva Translation:
Heb 8:13 In saying, “a New Testament”, He has rendered the first obsolete. Now that which has aged and grown old is ready to vanish.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Young's Literal Translation:
Heb 8:13 in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old [is] nigh disappearing.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

1599 Geneva Bible:
Heb 8:13 In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogated the old: now that which is disannulled and waxed old, is ready to vanish away.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT ABROGATED & ANNULLED!)

Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament:
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 8 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Soyeong · Apr 18, 2021

BrotherJJ said:
12 verses Gal 4:26 & 30 alone say it all

Source Amplified Bible BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

Galatians 4:
21 Tell me, you who are bent on being under the Law, do you not listen to [what] the Law [really says]?

22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman [Hagar] and one by the free woman [Sarah].

23 But the child of the slave woman was born according to the flesh and had an ordinary birth, while the son of the free woman was born in fulfillment of the promise.
(MY NOTE: Hagar's son, Ishmael, born via physical worldly desire. Sarah's son Issac born from above via God's promise)

24 Now these facts are about to be used [by me] as an allegory [that is, I will illustrate by using them]: for these women can represent two covenants: one [covenant originated] from Mount Sinai [where the Law was given] that bears children [destined] for slavery; she is Hagar.
(MY NOTE: 2 different covenants. Hagar represents the Old Mosaic covenant & a circumcision made/cut with human hands)

25 Now Hagar is (represents) Mount Sinai in Arabia and she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
(MY NOTE: The apostle compares the Sinai covenant: With SLAVERY)

26 But the Jerusalem above [that is, the way of faith, represented by Sarah] is free; she is our mother.
(MY NOTE: Sarah represents the New from above/spiritual Covenant. Spiritually written on the heart & mind (Heb 10:16) made without human hands (Col 2:11 & Rom 2:29, Deut 30:6)

27 For it is written [in the Scriptures], “Rejoice, o barren woman who has not given birth;
Break forth into a [joyful] shout, you who are not in labor; For the desolate woman has many more children Than she who has a husband.”

28 And we, [believing] brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children [not merely of physical descent, like Ishmael, but are children born] of promise [born miraculously].

29 But as at that time the child [of ordinary birth] born according to the flesh persecuted the son who was born according to [the promise and working of] the Spirit, so it is now also.

30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman [Hagar] and her son [Ishmael], For never shall the son of the bondwoman be heir and share the inheritance with the son of the free woman.”
(MY NOTE: Those that cling to the OLD Mosaic covenant, CAN NEVER partake in the NEW eternal Christ mediated covenant.)

31 So then, believers, we [who are born again—reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose] are not children of a slave woman [the natural], but of the free woman [the supernatural].
(MY NOTE: NT believers are BORN/spiritually from God above & have NO PART with the slave woman's carnal/physical/temporal covenant cut at Sinai!)

POINT TWO:

Find 7 direct C&P Bible versions below that translators use the word OBSOLETE to describe the old Mosaic covenant
You can find more here: BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.

Amplified Bible:
Heb 8:13 When God speaks of “A new covenant,” He makes the first one obsolete. And whatever is becoming obsolete (out of use, annulled) and growing old is ready to disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE/ANNULLED!)

New American Standard Bible:
Heb 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is [m]about to disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

New International Version:
Heb 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Revised Geneva Translation:
Heb 8:13 In saying, “a New Testament”, He has rendered the first obsolete. Now that which has aged and grown old is ready to vanish.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

Young's Literal Translation:
Heb 8:13 in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old [is] nigh disappearing.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

1599 Geneva Bible:
Heb 8:13 In that he saith a new Testament, he hath abrogated the old: now that which is disannulled and waxed old, is ready to vanish away.
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT ABROGATED & ANNULLED!)

Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament:
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 8 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament
(my note: THE OLD MOSAIC COVENANT OBSOLETE!)

In Hebrews 8:10, the New Covenant still involves following God's law, so the fact that the Mosaic Covenant as become obsolete in 8:13 does not mean that God's eternal law has become obsolete along with it. The way to testify about God's righteousness is based on God's righteousness, so it has existed for as long as God has been eternally righteous and will never change no matter how many covenants are made or become obsolete. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery before God made any covenants with man and it remains sinful after the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, so the fact that it has become obsolete does not remove our obligation to obey any of God's laws.

BrotherJJ · Apr 28, 2021

Heavens required wage/price/payment owed for sin (even 1) is, DEATH (Rom 6:23)

Post-conversion/salvation your sins (ALL) Past-Present-Future are Forgiven! (Rom 8:1, 1 Jn 2:12, Eph 1:7, 4:32, Col 3:13, Heb 9:12, 10:14, 13:20 to name a few)

This doesn't mean post-conversion/salvation sin never carries a consequence. Having said that, loss of salvation isn't one on those consequence (1 Cor 3:15).

Consequence from sinning post-conversion/salvation could manifest itself, in many different ways. A health issue, a broken relationship, disease, lost rewards earned etc.

There is only 1 unforgivable sin = lack of Faith/REJECTING Christ's sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection

Good works & obedience are the evidence/results of ones faith, not the cause of ones salvation.

Rom 1:5 "Through him we received grace" & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
(MY NOTE: Faith in Jesus sin atoning work & resurrection lead to our obedience, for HIS Name's sake)

Rom 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, "so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience" "that comes from faith"
(MY NOTE: Thru our Faith in Jesus sin atoning work & resurrection. Christ's Gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit will lead us obedient/godly behavior.)

Act 3:25 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
(NOTE: It's Faith in the risen Christ's sin atonement. That frees believers from sins grip & enables them to repent/turn from their sin)

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches "of his goodness" and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that "the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance"?
(NOTE: It's thru the GOODNESS of GOD not thru OUR OWN great work of sin repentance, obedience or self-control. That we REPENT/change our thinking/course. It's salvations seal of indwelling Holy Spirit that leads us to REPENT/change our thinking outlook & direction).

1 Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(NOTE: Anyone that believes they can conquer their own sin nature, without Gods help is mistaken)

Final thought;
When believers make salvation's focus about their sin or lack thereof. They take the focus off of Christ, His work, what He did at Calvary.

All praise, glory & honor belong to our Lord/God & Savior, Jesus the Christ!

New Better covenant rendered old Sinai covenant obsolete

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