Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

imge said:

Its the same laws. The laws did not change, they are in our hearts, we obey out of our love not because God commanded us to. He already told us they stand forever and ever.


“It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail” (Luke 16:17).
“My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips” (Psalm 89:34).
“All His precepts [commandments] are sure. They stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:7, 8).

Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change;
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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imge said:

Are you referring to outside the 66 books of the Bible, or within the 66 books the Holy Spirit guided?

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Freth said:

Q: Who has authority to clarify God's commandments?
A: God declared them Himself, writing them in stone. It's written in black and white, just pick up any Bible and go to Exodus 20, or peruse Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The commandments are found there as well. Or maybe Paul's writings. The commandments are found there. Or how about Revelation? The commandments are found there.

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Q: Who has authority to clarify God's commandments?
Answered above. If you don't believe the 66 book canon, then your very Christianity is on shaky ground.

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Leaf473 said:

I was talking to a Lutheran Pastor, who incidentally had an anti-catholic bias , he explained it this way*:

"Who wrote the book of Romans?"

I said, "You could say Paul wrote it or you could say God wrote it."

"That's right," he said. "God wrote the words, Paul was the human agent through whom those words were given."

"Now," He continued on, "who wrote the table of contents of your Bible?"

"Thomas Nelson?" I said. "But seriously, I get it. God wrote the table of contents, the Church was the human agent through whom it was given."

"Yep! Now, if the church had no authority to do that, then your Bible has no table of contents."

I had to agree, I could either trust the body of Christ on Earth at that time, or it would be up to me to go back and look at all the documents which could be scripture and evaluate them on my own.

To bring it around to what we've been talking about, that same body of Christ on earth was the human agent through whom God communicated his explanation of how the Sabbath commandment was to be observed.


*Not an exact transcript, the thoughts are the same.

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Jesus spent His ministry quoting from the Old Testament, obeying the Sabbath as was His custom and even sending a message from heaven to John, calling it His Revelation (which came from God). What more proof do you need to support commandment-keeping?

If Jesus stood before you and said, "If you love me, keep my commandments", would that be proof enough? Or would you say "Love God and love others" is fulfillment of the law and we have "rest in Jesus". What would He say? Would He say, "Well done, my good and faithful servant." Or would He say, "As it is written, "If you love me, keep my commandments." Depart from me, you who work iniquity—I never knew you."

These are rhetorical questions. The answer is in every book of the Bible. Obey God. Keep the commandments of God written in stone by His very hand.

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Leaf473 said:

I re-read your post. My impression is that you are saying that God puts love in our hearts. He puts love for him, love for others, and love for his commandments.

When God puts love in our hearts, that's him writing his law on our hearts.

The commandments are external to our hearts. That love makes us able to fulfill his commandments.

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imge said:

Hi there,

I actually never glazed over anything, but maybe you missed it, God said He would write His laws in our hearts, so He told us they didn't go away with the New Covenant. They have different promises now, which @LoveGodsWord answered in detail. God did not say, I no longer have laws and you no longer need to obey. His laws are magnified in the Second Covenant, not diminished and our obedience is out of love which is why we still have multiple scriptures regarding obeying the commandments, all the way until the very end of the Bible, at the end of the very last chapter in the Bible right before Jesus comes, and that is because they did not go away and are important to God.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

We are told there is only a remnant left who obeys His commandments and that is based on our choices, but the invitation is open to everyone.
Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You can believe as you wish, but it does not change God's will for us is to obey Him because of our love and our changed heart. God does not make our choices for us, so we can still love Him and disobey and think you're following Him, when the scriptures tell us otherwise. James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

God bless

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LoveGodsWord said:

Now what you said here is exactly what I said but did you know it was not what I said it was what God's Word said. Did you read the support scriptures provided with the post? Now what is it in these scriptures that you are having difficulties with?

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LoveGodsWord said:

Now what you said here is exactly what I said but did you know it was not what I said it was what God's Word said. Did you read the support scriptures provided with the post? Now what is it in these scriptures that you are having difficulties with?

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imge said:

We are told:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

John 10:35 Scripture cannot be broken

The 66 books of the Bible were written:

1. On three continents.
   
2. In three languages.
   
3. By about 40 different people (such as kings, shepherds, scientists, attorneys, an army general, fishermen, priests, and a physician)
   
4. Over a period of about 1,500 years
   
5. On the most controversial subjects
   
6. By people who, in most cases, had never met
   
7. By authors whose education and background varied greatly

Yet, though it seems totally inconceivable, the 66 books maintain harmony with one another. And even when new concepts on a certain subject are expressed, they do not undermine what other Bible writers say on the same subject.

This is almost too amazing to believe! Ask people who have viewed the same event to give a report of what happened and you’ll discover that their stories will often differ widely and will contradict each other in some way. Yet the Bible, penned by 40 writers over a 1,500-year period, reads as if it was written by one mind. And indeed it was: “Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21). The Holy Spirit “moved” them all; He is the real Bible author.

Prophecy Old Testament Prediction New Testament Fulfillment
1. Born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
2. Born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-23
3. David’s lineage Jeremiah 23:5 Revelation 22:16
4. Target of murder attempt Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
5. Betrayed by a friend Psalms 41:9 John 13:18, 19, 26
6. Sold for 30 silver coins Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 26:14-16
7. Crucified Zechariah 12:10 John 19:16-18, 37
8. Lots cast for His clothes Psalms 22:18 Matthew 27:35
9. No bones broken Psalms 34:20 John 19:31-36
10. Buried in a rich man’s tomb Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
11. Year, day, hour of His death Daniel 9:26, 27; Exodus 12:6 Matthew 27:45-50
12. Raised the third day Hosea 6:2 Acts 10:38-40
source amazingfacts.org



There is no scripture stating the Holy Scripture guided any changes to be made outside the 66 books of the Bible. The Bible is the #1 selling book of all time. You can choose to believe the Words of the Holy Bible or choose to believe that man can be guided to change whatever they want with no way to know if that is God's Will. Sticking to the Holy Bible you don't have to guess which Spirit is guiding it because it says All Scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 Timothy 3:16 and Jesus quoted often from the OT. Also God told us He changes not, I am not sure why this is so hard to believe. To me this is a good thing, otherwise it is way to confusing and our God is not a God of confusion.

God bless

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imge said:

Why is it so surprising when we are told only a remnant still obeys God's laws.

Revelations 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

remnant
[ˈremnənt]
NOUN

1. a small remaining quantity of something.

The invitation is open to everyone though...

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imge said:

Because it is written

Revelations 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The church who changed the primary day of worship already said it was not on any Biblical authority meaning it did not come from God.

What I think you need to ask yourself, do you believe God or man?

God said this about His covenant, but you keep wanting to go back to what was changed by man, hoping it is Biblical but it's not. You need to either accept these scriptures or not. Man is not above what is written.

It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail” (Luke 16:17).
“My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips” (Psalm 89:34).
“All His precepts [commandments] are sure. They stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:7, 8).

Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change;
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
6 Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Mathew 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

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imge said:

I think it will be clearer about the Sabbath in the days a head. Jesus wants to save all of us, but talks about the wide path that most find vs the narrow path that few follow. Look at these threads, when we point out the Sabbath started from creation, we point out the 4th commandment, point out that is says "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy" point out the scripture stating His covenant can not be broken, point out where Jesus also kept the Sabbath, where Jesus disciples kept the Sabbath, point out that Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, point out that the Sabbath is a sign of God's people, point out its how we are sanctified, point out the reference regarding Sabbath commandment after Jesus rose, point out there is over 170 verses in the bible regarding Sabbath and only eight verses on the first day (nothing to do with holy or God's Sabbath) point out that in Heaven we will worship on God's chosen holy day each and every Sabbath yet people still do not believe. Much like the days of Noah, where only a few were saved but all were called on.

There are some who do keep Sabbath and there are over 20 million SDA members and millions of others who still keep the seventh day Sabbath holy, but that is small compared to the billions of people on the earth.

The final events will be about God's seventh day Sabbath and the seal of God are His commandments, including keeping the seventh day holy, the true Lord's day. God wants to give everyone the choice to worship Him, but unfortunately many choose the wrong path. I did not provide scripture due to time, but I will fill it in tomorrow to reference each point with the scripture. When it comes to really submitting your will and allowing your will to be God's, people just don't want to let go, despite letting go gives you so much more than holding on to this world that will be no more some day soon.

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imge said:

I don't think you are reading the scripture where we are told not to add to His Words or His covenant can not be broken. Changing God's Sabbath that Gold told us is a perpetual covenant and the day we will be worshipping Him on the New Earth, that change did not come from God. There are only two spirits Good and evil. One wants you to obey and keep His commandments, the other one wants to deceive you and be god.

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