Tennessee legislature passes permitless handgun carry bill

renniks said:

First you have several speculations in there.. second you just caused a whole bunch of law abiding people to die because they didn't have any way to protect themselves because they don't have the time or the money to go through the hoops.

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Wait...If only law abiding people own weapons, how did the ones who don't own any weapons die?

parousia70 said:

Wait...If only law abiding people own weapons, how did the ones who don't own any weapons die?

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??? Who said only law abiding people owned guns??

If you can produce some type of magic wand and abbra caddabra only law abiding people would have guns, the death rate would drop exponentially. Not just in the US but anywhere.

hislegacy said:

??? Who said only law abiding people owned guns??

If you can produce some type of magic wand and abbra caddabra only law abiding people would have guns, the death rate would drop exponentially. Not just in the US but anywhere.

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Given the suicide rate it might not go down much.

hislegacy said:

??? Who said only law abiding people owned guns??

If you can produce some type of magic wand and abbra caddabra only law abiding people would have guns, the death rate would drop exponentially. Not just in the US but anywhere.

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parousia70 said:

I am curious, if we already have these hoops to jump through, and the law abiding citizens who wish to own a fully automatic firearm may do so if they jump through the hoops, and if the hoops are a demonstrable, proven deterrent for criminals, and such hoops haven't resulted in an increase in Theft of Fully automatic weapons BY criminals, nor have they resulted in the dismissal of the 2nd amendment, what is the objection exactly??

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Interesting, but flawed logic. The production and sale of automatics has been curtailed for almost 100 years. Ownership requires a Federal Firearms License.

If you are proposing the over 100,000,000 people who own guns be federally registered - that is where the issue lies.

renniks said:

MS deputies shot with rare, fully automatic rifles, officials say

North Hollywood shootout - Wikipedia

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Excellent thank you!

From the 1st article (that references the 2nd)
since 1934 there are only four known instances of automatic weapons used in crimes where someone was killed. In three of those instances the weapons were legally obtained, with two of them illegally used by law enforcement officers.

In almost 90 years, only 4 times were automatic weapons used illegally to kill people, and two of those times it was Criminal Cops that did the killing.

I would think placed next to the 450 mass shootings per year, that would be cause for a victory celebration and evidence that it IS, by and large, possible to Keep firearms out of the hands of Criminals and only in the hands of Law abiding citizens who wish to practice their 2nd amendment rights.

If we could go from 450 per year to a grand total 4 in 90 years, keeping Guns out of the hands of criminals and only in the hands of law abiding citizens who wish to practice their 2nd amendment rights, why in the world would anyone object to that?

Unless of course its someone who would rather we have 450 mass shootings per year than have 4 in 90 years.....

Belk said:

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Belk said:

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parousia70 said:

If we could go from 450 per year to a grand total 4 in 90 years, keeping Guns out of the hands of criminals and only in the hands of law abiding citizens who wis to practice their 2nd amendment rights, why in the world would anyone object tot hat?

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What does that look like in real life?

They are not all registered, nor are all of them traceable. How do you propose to get them out of the hands of someone who has them into a law abiding person's?

If I am hiding the fact I own a weapon, because it is illegal for me to possess it - how do you get it from me?

hislegacy said:

Interesting, but flawed logic. The production and sale of automatics has been curtailed for almost 100 years. Ownership requires a Federal Firearms License.

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How is that (in Bold) even possible while the 2nd amendment is still intact?

If you are proposing the over 100,000,000 people who own guns be federally registered - that is where the issue lies.

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Because why?
It clearly doesn't erode the 2nd amendment to require federal registration.

Side note.. I just realized in Georgia it's now a felony to hand out water at a polling place, but fully legal to hand out Guns there...

parousia70 said:

How is that (in Bold) even possible while the 2nd amendment is still intact?

Because why?
It clearly doesn't erode the 2nd amendment to require federal registration.

Side note.. I just realized in Georgia it's now a felony to hand out water at a polling place, but fully legal to hand out Guns there...

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You have a stronger chance for Beyonce to become the next Pope in the Catholic church than you have in repealing the 2nd amendment. The point is dead on arrival.

Also, can you please address my query in 148

How do you find and identify the over 393,000,000 guns in the US?

hislegacy said:

What does that look like in real life?

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In real life it looks like A generational sea shift. It obviously can't happen overnight.

Social Morays and norms change over time... the tide is already headed that direction, changes implemented today would be designed to have far reaching effects, not overnight ones, though a gun buyback, trade your gun for an electric vehicle, could work rather quickly to get a lot of them off the street, we could do nothing , and simply the general growing public disgust with your ammo-sexual lifestyle will continue to have generational shaming effect, as it already plainly has..plenty of kids today have eschewed their parents disgusting ammosexual behavior in favor of a different, less frightened, less fretful, less “us vs them”, path, and have embraced a more inclusive, more Christ like path.
Of course this was all prophesied to happen.
The victory of the Peace of Christ and His gospel in the Christian age cannot be stopped. (Ephesians 3:21, Isaiah 9:7, Hebrews 11:6,32-33, Matthew 16:18-19, Revelation 14:6)

Guns are irrelevant and inconsequential to this prophesied victory.

If I am hiding the fact I own a weapon, because it is illegal for me to possess it - how do you get it from me?

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I probably don't get it from you directly, but I first try with financial incentives, and if that doesn't work, I extend those incentives to your progeny and as a society I simply wait you out... you eventually tip over and your kid, grandkid or whatever eventually trades the gun in for an xbox or a Tesla...

All the while I'm waiting you out because I'm society thats gonna keep chugging along after you and your kids, and grandkids, and great grandkinds, and so on, are dead and buried, I'll implement socio/economic policies that reflect the peace and love of Christ, and the unbridled love God Has for this world (John 3:16), that lift up the impoverished, and directly benefit the poor. I'll legalize all drugs and work to eliminate the motivation for a baby born today to grow up in need or in fear so much that they are wanting to do harm to another human just to get something they don't already have or are addicted to... and with that motivation gone, the fear of needing "protection" from those people who now are as rare as a 3 sided penny, vanishes as well....
Time is no object.
That's How.

How do you, Guy who is desperately clinging to his gun today, Stop that societal sea change from happening in the next couple generations???

Why would you want to, even if you could? (BTW, You can't)

hislegacy said:

You have a stronger chance for Beyonce to become the next Pope in the Catholic church than you have in repealing the 2nd amendment. The point is dead on arrival.

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Today? Yeah by 2036? Definite maybe.

parousia70 said:

Wait...If only law abiding people own weapons, how did the ones who don't own any weapons die?

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Who said only law abiding people own weapons?

parousia70 said:

If we could go from 450 per year to a grand total 4 in 90 years, keeping Guns out of the hands of criminals and only in the hands of law abiding citizens who wis to practice their 2nd amendment rights, why in the world would anyone object to that?

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But you can't.

parousia70 said:

In real life it looks like A generational sea shift. It obviously can't happen overnight.

Social Morays and norms change over time... the tide is already headed that direction, changes implemented today would be designed to have far reaching effects, not overnight ones, though a gun buyback, trade your gun for an electric vehicle, and just the general growing public disgust with the ammo-sexual lifestyle will have generational effect, as it already plainly has..



I probably don't get it from you directly, but I first try with financial incentives, and if that doesn't work, I extend those incentives to your progeny and as a society I simply wait you out... you eventually tip over and your kid, grandkid or whatever eventually trades the gun in for an xbox or a Tesla...

All the while I'm waiting you out because I'm society thats gonna keep chugging along after you and your kids, and grandkids, and great grandkinds, and so on, are dead and buried, I'll implement socio/economic policies that lift up the impoverished, I'll legalize all drugs and work to eliminate the motivation for a baby born today to grow up in need or in fear so much that they are wanting to do harm to another human just to get something they don't already have or are addicted to... and with that motivation gone, the fear of needing "protection" from those people who now are as rare as a 3 sided penny, vanishes as well....
Time is no object.
That's How.

How do you, Guy who doesn't want to give up his gun, Stop that societal sea change from happening??

Why would you want to, even if you could? (BTW, You can't)

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You're dreaming. There obviously is no generational change in regards to owning guns. Sales are through the roof. And it's not just conservatives.

hislegacy said:

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It showed my post three times. Fixed

Belk said:

It showed my post three times. Fixed

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The site is hanging...server might need to be rebooted?

BNR32FAN said:

America has roughly 434 million guns in circulation.

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How many were there 5 years ago? 10 years ago?

hislegacy said:

You have a stronger chance for Beyonce to become the next Pope in the Catholic church than you have in repealing the 2nd amendment. The point is dead on arrival.

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Even if she was the new pope, I still wouldn't go back to the Church.