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The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.
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The Pesach is prepared on the 14th of Abib.
1. The Torah tells us that we were not to sacrifice the lamb while we had leavened bread in our possession.6 Even in our times, we rid ourselves of all leaven before midday of the 14th of Nissan, the time when the sacrifice was once brought. (For exact times in your location, see here.)
2. Additionally, the day that one would bring a sacrifice in the Temple was considered a minor holiday, and people would refrain from working. Today, we still refrain from doing work on the 14th. (This work restriction is not the same as a full-on holiday. You may make any preparations you need for the holiday that will begin that night on the 15th. If you need to do other kinds of work, please feel free to discuss the specifics with a rabbi).
https://www.chabad.org/holidays/pas...hy-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm
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The 24 hours preceding Passover, the culmination of weeks of scrubbing and cleaning and preparation, is the final transition from our ordinary chametz lives to Passover.
https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1754/jewish/The-Day-Before-Passover.htm
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This is not how it was done, as Israel journeyed to Jerusalem for Pesach, in the time of Yahshua.
I don't see how it's relevant to this discussion.
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You used Chabad as a source on your post 602. You also said "Since Judaism calls the 1st and 7th days of Hag Matzot Shabbats today; do you think that it might be possible that Judaism called them Shabbats in the past?"
You seem to want to use recent Rabbinic customs and/or Torah when they favor your argument and discount/try and explain away/not use or accept them when they don't...
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I haven't made an argument. I put forth a supposition. I have an open mind regarding the day and approximate time; and I will consider all of the facts. However, I strongly lean toward not discounting the words of Yahshua. Are you making an argument for an assertion; or are you supposing regarding the day and approximate time?
If you are making an assertion do you:
1.) discount all modern traditions?
2.) include all modern traditions?
3.) pick and choose?
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You seem to be implying that we ARE discounting Jesus' words. You don't believe Jesus used idioms or figures of speech?
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You probably never knew Daniel foretold the first time coming of the Messiah. To Jesus being cut off in the middle of the week and Jesus cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. Do you see us sacrificing animal for sin, from around Jesus time to now. You haven't being taught correctly, and now you have a belief problem.
The word Passover is what it's called, not anything else. Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's Passover. This day already past this year.
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You see, in the Council of Trent (1545 A.D.), the church leaders ruled that "tradition" is of as great authority as the Bible! They believed that God had given them the authority to change the Bible any way they pleased. By "tradition" they meant human teachings.
The sun was the main god of the heathen even back as far as ancient Babylon. Since they worshiped the sun on Sunday, the compromising church leaders could see that if they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, it would accomplish several things. Number one - it would separate them from the Jews who were hated by many of the Romans and who, along with Jesus, (Luke 4:16), had been worshiping on Saturday from the beginning (and still do today). Number two - it would make it much easier for the pagans to come into the church if the Christians met on the same day that the pagan world did.
It worked well. Pagans flocked in by the thousands. Satan's plan of compromise was doing its baleful work. The change was attempted gradually but many of the true hearted, loyal Christians were alarmed. They came to the leaders and wanted to know why they had dared tamper with the law of Almighty God! The church leaders knew this would happen - and they had an answer ready. It's a masterpiece. If a person doesn't know the bible well it sounds good.
The people were told that they were worshiping on Sunday now because Jesus rose from the dead on that day.
There's not even one verse in the Bible that tells us to do this, but that's what they were told. Isn't it amazing! Maybe you've even heard that yourself!
When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, Christianity became the state religion you remember. As thousands of sun-worshipers flocked into the church, it wasn't long before they had a dominating influence. Most of his top officials had been sun-worshipers. Because the Roman government was getting shaky, Constantine consulted with his aides and with the church officials in Rome.
The keeping of Sunday as the Christian sabbath is not of God but of Man. If you are a true Christian, which means a follower of Christ or to be Christ like; then why are you following a day set up by man? We have proved that Paul kept the Lord’s sabbath well after the death and resurrection of Christ. So why are you going to church on the first day of the week? Well if you don’t know history will tell you why.
ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP
Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.
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Naw, that comprehension probably is you, because you not reading correctly. I said it does matter if you don't want to called ULB a High Holy Sabbath, it still a Holy Day to the lord. Leviticus 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (verse 2) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. Which means holy gathering or simply put, go to church.
It still a Holy Day, they must be observed when the Lord says they must be observed.
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Smoke and mirrors and barnyard fertilizer. I have said several times that ULB is a "Holy Convocation." I have never denied that, what I have repeatedly said is 1/7 ULB are never called a Sabbath in either testament. I have quoted two Jewish sources neither of which says 1/7 ULB are Sabbaths.
But some folks desperately want them to be a Sabbath to make scripture support their denominational assumptions/presuppositions.
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Total complete nonsense. There was NO Catholic church with a pope in Rome to change or institute anything until the 11th century when Pope Gregory VII declared himself the head of the church.
Links to real sources
DICTATUS PAPAE: PAPAL PRINCIPLES
Dictatus papae | papal claims
You might want to find some better teachers/leaders.
The church was worshiping on Sunday 1100 years before Trent.
Justin [A.D. 110-165.] The First Apology. Chap. LXVII. —
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,76 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability,77 and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given,78 and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,76 all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability,77 and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given,78 and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
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I believe that the reference to Jonah was specific, considering that Yahshua specifically gave us specific numbers. I also consider the possibility that the story of Jonah could have been a prophetic sign that pointed to Yahshua.
If you believe that statement was an idiom; what do you suppose that he meant by it? Why would you suppose that half of that sentence must be taken literally; but the other half of the same sentence is an idiom? Can we apply the same approach to every verse in the Bible in your opinion? What would prevent you as going so far as to say that the whole Bible is an idiom? Where do you draw the line?
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I asked you a specific question. WHERE did Daniel, as YOU claimed, use or say 3 days and 3 nights? I do not have a belief problem, but you definitely have an interpretation problem... If you didn't know, that is what Pascha means...how about Pesakh?
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I think I have made my position quite clear over the years I have been here...
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Come on with these weak mind games, you read them both, you know what it says. There's know way you can get around it. The scriptures and verses speak for themselves.
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The keeping of Sunday as the Christian sabbath is not of God but of Man. If you are a true Christian, which means a follower of Christ or to be Christ like; then why are you following a day set up by man? We have proved that Paul kept the Lord’s sabbath well after the death and resurrection of Christ. So why are you going to church on the first day of the week? Well if you don’t know history will tell you why.
ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP
Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.
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As I have shown the first sentence, "ample evidence from history shows...", is totally false Repeating the same unsupported rubbish over and over does not make it true. What you are posting is NOT history.
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I can see you so fire up to be right and call me wrong you allow understanding to fly right past you. Whether it's a Sabbath day or Holy Day it still a day to the Lord they must be observe in it's season and or time. The Old Testament refers to God’s “day of rest” most famously in Genesis and Exodus, but Sabbath referring to an entire year of rest is mentioned in Leviticus (25:3-5):
Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.
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MARCH 7, 321 AD – CONSTANTINE’S SUNDAY LAW
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MARCH 7, 321 AD – CONSTANTINE’S SUNDAY LAW
by Kelly McDonald, Jr.
On March 7 321 AD, Constantine approved the “day of the sun” as a day of rest for the Western Roman Empire (at this time, he did not control the Eastern Empire). This was not to honor God or Jesus Christ, but to honor the sun god. Sunday became a civil day of rest for urban areas, but the law did not grant rest to farmers. Below I have provided an English translation from the Codex Justinianus (which was issued in 529 AD).
“All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun. Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches. So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish.” (Codex Justinian 3.12.2: Imperator Constantinus; Translation from Ayer, 284-285)
March 7, 321 AD – Constantine’s Sunday Law
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