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Well, so far we've only really heard Gaetz's side of things. The claims that he's made are very specific and pretty damning, and I feel like, if he's lying, there's a pretty solid case for libel. McGee has only denied the accusations. But at the same time, it seems preposterous that a former federal prosecutor would think that it would be a good idea to try to blackmail arguably one of the most influential congressmen in the Republican caucus. I supposed dumber things have happened though.

McGee's denied them, but he's denied them pretty clearly and neither the NYT article nor the segment on the nightly news I saw tonight was shy about saying that Gaetz is under investigation. There's a pretty big delta between claiming someone is under investigation and claiming that they're the victim of an alleged extortion scheme that's being investigate.
 
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McGee's denied them, but he's denied them pretty clearly and neither the NYT article nor the segment on the nightly news I saw tonight was shy about saying that Gaetz is under investigation. There's a pretty big delta between claiming someone is under investigation and claiming that they're the victim of an alleged extortion scheme that's being investigate.
Gaetz has admitted that he is, in fact, under investigation. He's not saying that the story is fake, though he does claim that he's innocent. The supposed extortion was centered around keeping the investigation quiet and possibly getting him a pardon. At face value, it's semi-believable and I'm struggling to see what sort of angle he could have if he's making it up, but some things don't really add up. First of all, the pardon is a bit unbelievable since it would have to be Biden issuing the pardon, and why would he have any interest in pardoning Gaetz? Second, his father says that the FBI instructed him to wire money to the extortionists today, but the meeting was cancelled since the story was leaked anyways (rendering the supposed extortion moot). But that would be unusual, since it can be difficult to track electronic money transfers. All they'd really need to get the guy would be a clear threat on the wire to release the story if they didn't pay. It's how they got Avenatti a couple years ago: Attorney Michael Avenatti arrested in alleged Nike extortion scheme: Prosecutors - ABC News (go.com) And finally, as I already pointed out, it seems highly illogical for a long-time federal prosecutor to think that he could get away with something like this.
 
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Sure, but you overlooked one big difference, which is why the charges were brought against the people we've mentioned.
Same reason.

It's a tactic used by one political party to derail a nominee of the other party and almost always comes to nothing, factually speaking. That's not the case with all the names you offered us or, for that matter, with Cuomo whose job needs saving with some distraction or other.
I see women complaining independently. Both parties will use the complaints to further their own interests.
 
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As defences go, its certainly a puzzling one. He doesn't seem to be denying at all that he's being investigated for underaged girls.

I'm not sure how him calling in the FBI for a possible later extortion attempt does him any favors here other than to muddy the waters.
 
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Not only was it not the same reason, but it is evident that it cannot have been the same reason if you simply look at the case of each of the people who have been mentioned.
Do go on, spit it out.
 
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Can't you smell the clickbait in the title?

Defeat AOC and Communism with this One Weird Trick
He was Voted Hottest Senator in 1978; You'll Never Believe How He Looks Today

Not sure what you clicked, but this is what the link shows on the front page:

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Maybe there are sites you frequent that promote conspiracy theories, and maybe not - but none of what you cited is on this link.
 
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Not sure what you clicked, but this is what the link shows on the front page:

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Maybe there are sites you frequent that promote conspiracy theories, and maybe not - but none of what you cited is on this link.


Woooooosh
 
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The WaPo story has some additional details that answer most of the questions from my earlier post and suggest that there's at least some truth to the extortion claims. First, it apparently wasn't a pardon, or even a threat of leaking the investigation (at least not explicitly), that they were dangling. The scammers claimed that the money would be used to secure the release of Robert Levinson, a missing (presumed dead) hostage being held by Iran. They claimed that the goodwill generated from that (they would give Gaetz credit) would stave off any prosecution attempts.

Second, the reason why the FBI might have instructed Gaetz Senior to actually wire some money is because there wasn't an explicit threat to go public. The scammers hadn't actually done anything incriminating yet, though it certainly looks like a garden-variety confidence scam, so they needed to string them along until they did do something criminal.

Third, McGee doesn't actually appear to be involved. He's tied to the situation because he's worked with Levinson's family when they were trying to secure his release. He did talk to Gaetz Senior, but it appears that Gaetz was the one who initiated the call (likely due to McGee's past association with the Levinson case). The people actually running the scam appear to be a former intelligence analyst for the Air Force and a developer with a history of fraud. It's still not clear how they found out about the investigation into Gaetz, but they don't appear to have any actual relationship to the case.

Matt Gaetz investigation: Extortion claim centers on overture regarding missing FBI agent Robert Levinson - The Washington Post
 
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Well, I already did that, and I assumed from your reply that you'd read it.
No, you said there were differences but you neglected to be specific. I think there are not significant differences, but I'm open to seeing your argument, your specific argument, not hand-waving.
 
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The WaPo story has some additional details that answer most of the questions from my earlier post and suggest that there's at least some truth to the extortion claims. First, it apparently wasn't a pardon, or even a threat of leaking the investigation (at least not explicitly), that they were dangling. The scammers claimed that the money would be used to secure the release of Robert Levinson, a missing (presumed dead) hostage being held by Iran. They claimed that the goodwill generated from that (they would give Gaetz credit) would stave off any prosecution attempts.

Second, the reason why the FBI might have instructed Gaetz Senior to actually wire some money is because there wasn't an explicit threat to go public. The scammers hadn't actually done anything incriminating yet, though it certainly looks like a garden-variety confidence scam, so they needed to string them along until they did do something criminal.

Third, McGee doesn't actually appear to be involved. He's tied to the situation because he's worked with Levinson's family when they were trying to secure his release. He did talk to Gaetz Senior, but it appears that Gaetz was the one who initiated the call (likely due to McGee's past association with the Levinson case). The people actually running the scam appear to be a former intelligence analyst for the Air Force and a developer with a history of fraud. It's still not clear how they found out about the investigation into Gaetz, but they don't appear to have any actual relationship to the case.

Matt Gaetz investigation: Extortion claim centers on overture regarding missing FBI agent Robert Levinson - The Washington Post
Of course there’s nothing in the Constitution that says a President’s pardoning power ceases when he leaves office.
45 will 86 this, but quick!
 
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