What do you think is required to be saved?

Saint JOHN · Mar 31, 2021

v37.............Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?.............(to be saved)
acts2v38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

your part... ( as we are basically unable to keep the law for any length of time )

Repent.. baby's cant
Baptism .. Greek word means immerse submerge dip etc .. symbol of burial .. right under !

Gods part ..

giving you the Holy Spirit (which is what Jesus died to make available to all who would accept)

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

(not those who do there own thing )
(so you know you've done it Gods way )

Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
so according to the word ,worshiping in the Spirit..

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

that's if you believe (confess etc) Jesus Christ ; or just make up your own fairy tail and all is right with the world !!??

Silverback · Mar 31, 2021

chad kincham said:
That’s absolutely wrong.

You left out the rest of your proof text, which is typical of those in your doctrinal error.

There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

You left the condition out of your proof text.

Scripture clearly shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional on us 1) continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, and 2) continuing to walk after the spirit, instead of after the flesh.

In the two verses below, I include the conditional part of these scriptures that are always left out by hyper-grace, OSAS teachers.

1Jn 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The word IF makes it a conditional statement.

The blood of Jesus cleansing the believer is conditional on their choosing to continue to walk in the light, as He is in the light.

Next:

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk NOT AFTER THE FLESH, , but after the Spirit.

Having no condemnation, and remaining in Christ, is conditional upon continuing to walk after the Spirit, and not after the flesh.

Yes, Paul makes clear that AFTER we have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between our wanting to walk in the flesh, (that wants us to live in sin)- and our desire to walk after the Holy Spirit that now dwells in us - and Paul warns that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:

Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul warns us over and over, that if we believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die spiritually - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded isDEATH, but to be spiritually minded isLIFE and peace.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind isENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Verse 8:7 Paul warns above, that having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.

Will God let His enemies into heaven?

Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD is the ENEMY of God.

The verse above says sexual sins and being worldly, makes you Gods ENEMY.

Will God welcome His enemies into heaven?

Scripture clearly shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional on us 1) continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, and 2) continuing to walk after the spirit, instead of after the flesh.

So let me ask you this...how many sins does it take for you to be condemned?... I'll answer that one (1)...just one sinful thought, one sinful desire, one sinful word, or, one sinful deed.

I can't live to that standard, neither can you, or anyone else, under this theology everyone is lost, Christ atonement was not sufficient to save anyone, and he absolutely died for nothing.

Your preaching simple works righteousness for salvation, something you can never live up too.

If we could do it ourself, then there was no need for a savior.

There is no way for anyone to clear their slate every night before we go to bed. You are of course free to do so trusting in your own righteousness and abilities, and do you know where it will lead you...to despair, and after you despair long enough you will just sin more.

Salvation is all Gods work, why...because he knows we are all wretched, poor, blind, and naked.

Check your pride brother

Guojing · Mar 31, 2021

adderbolt said:
You are saying that the unnamed thief on the cross arrived in "paradise" on that day alone and without the Holy Spirit?

So what is the spiritual destination of a human baby who perishes shortly after birth without being baptized?

(Sorry if this is taking the thread far afield)

During the OT, as long as a Jew remain in Israel throughout his entire life, he will be part of the covenant God made with Israel in Exodus 24.

At his death, he will be placed in Abraham's bosom or Paradise.

That was also where the thief on the cross went.

When Jesus returns again for Israel, his sins will be forgiven corporately, as part of Israel.

The nation would be forgiven of all their sins when the New Covenant begins with them (Hebrews 8:8-12, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 11:26-27).

That is when all of them will receive their salvation (1 Peter 1:9)

Guojing · Mar 31, 2021

Basil the Great said:
When I see threads like this one, the vast majority of the posters seem to quote Paul. Yet, Jesus himself was asked this very question and yet rarely does anyone ever quote his reply. I wonder why?

Because of Matthew 15:24 and Ephesians 2:11-12.

To put it simply, Jesus was not talking to YOU in the 4 gospels. He only started to talk to you when he raised Paul to be YOUR apostle (Romans 11:13)

Butterball1 · Mar 31, 2021

AubreyM said:
Hello you; thank you for coming to check out this thread.

The video above is a total time of 1:13; hopefully the direct delivery will help.

What do you think is required to be saved?

----to be saved-----

--one must hear the word of God Romans 10:17. One cannot believe what he has not heard, Romans 10:13-14. Christianity is a taught religion, Matthew 28:19-20; 1 Corinthians 1:21.

--upon hearing God's word, one must believe what he has heard developing faith within the heart, Romans 10:9; John 8:24; John 3:16.

--one then must repent of his sins (Luke 13:3) turning from living in sin to living a godly, righteous life pleasing to God for the impenitent will be lost Romans 2:4-5.

--one must make the great confession of faith, Matthew 10:32-33; Romans 10:9-10. Christ will deny those who deny Him/who will not confess Him.

--one must then submit to water baptism where the blood of Christ washes away sin.....the old man of sins dies, is buried in a watery grave then the new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) is raised up from that watery grave to walk in newness of life, Romans 6:3-5; Acts 2:38; Mark 16:16

--one then must live faithful to death, Revelation 2:10.

chad kincham · Mar 31, 2021

Silverback said:
So let me ask you this...how many sins does it take for you to be condemned?... I'll answer that one (1)...just one sinful thought, one sinful desire, one sinful word, or, one sinful deed.

I can't live to that standard, neither can you, or anyone else, under this theology everyone is lost, Christ atonement was not sufficient to save anyone, and he absolutely died for nothing.

Your preaching simple works righteousness for salvation, something you can never live up too.

If we could do it ourself, then there was no need for a savior.

There is no way for anyone to clear their slate every night before we go to bed. You are of course free to do so trusting in your own righteousness and abilities, and do you know where it will lead you...to despair, and after you despair long enough you will just sin more.

Salvation is all Gods work, why...because he knows we are all wretched, poor, blind, and naked.

Check your pride brother

You again show a fundamental ignorance about the Christians life.

We know when we’ve sinned a sin we need to repent of, one of the sins Paul makes clear will keep a believer from heaven (in many places such as 1 Corinthians 6:9-11), and the Holy Spirit lets us know we need to confess it per 1 John 1:9.

The Christian doesn’t habitually live in sins such as adultery, drunkenness, lying, etc.- and committing a given sin occasionally doesn’t keep us out of heaven - bit continuing in such a sin as a habit or lifestyle without repenting will.

Paul warns over and over about the consequences of a believer living a sinful lifestyle - I suggest you read them.

Taodeching · Mar 31, 2021

AubreyM said:
What do you think is required to be saved?

To repent and be baptized

Lifelong_sinner · Mar 31, 2021

this an interesting question, primarily on this forum because of the amount of different doctrines. but, to answer your question OP, what do i think is required to be saved?
well first off, its not our choice if we are to be saved. God draws us, this begins the process. no one can want to be saved without the Father calling us first.
second, regeneration, or being reborn. again, its impossible for us to do on our own.
third, the Holy Spirit living in us. this where things can get bad. the way to know that you are saved is if you are producing good fruit. we can only do that if the Holy Spirit is in us.
the reason i say this is where it can get bad, many think belief alone is enough. its not and james tells us this. even the demons believe in Jesus. and repentance isnt something we can do unless God allows us to.
i think a good question to ask is, is it easy to get saved? depends...for some it is, others like myself its not. but i keep trying, hoping one day i will be able to repent and accept the Holy Spirit once God allows it.

Mark Quayle · Mar 31, 2021

John Mullally said:
Gotta laugh at the "clinical idiots" comment. In this we agree.

I think it is the other way around. Unmistakably, John 3:16, Acts 10:9-10, and Acts 2:38-39 are spoken/written as directives to men towards their salvation. Can you imagine someone adding qualifiers like "if you are elect, if it be God's Will, if Christ died for you, or you cannot make a decision for Christ because it is exclusively a work of the Holy Spirit" to those passages? I don't think you do and I don't see it added as qualifiers in preaching to the lost anywhere in the epistles. But that is the doubt inducing effect on those hearing those qualifiers which are taught frequently amongst the Reformed. Even if I believed that salvation was up to God exclusively, I would exhibit caution and not talk like many of the Reformed do because I don't see an example of that kind of evangelism in the epistles. OTOH, Paul did everything possible to influence as many as he could towards salvation.

1 Cor 9:22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

The reason I said that in fact we are working with idiots is because we are all idiots compared to God. And what's worse, those governed by the flesh cannot, according to Scripture, understand spiritual things. If God can raise up from the stones on the ground people to praise him, the lost may not be so much alive as we would think.

I think this comment of yours represents what is central to the matter: "Can you imagine someone adding qualifiers like "if you are elect, if it be God's Will, if Christ died for you, or you cannot make a decision for Christ because it is exclusively a work of the Holy Spirit" to those passages?"

That is not how we do it with someone who needs the Lord. Nor do we declare the opposite. They must decide, according to us. They MUST repent. They must begin a life of obedience. The question we pose is not whether they are elect or not. (Neither they nor we can even know if they are). You may be surprised that there are Reformed pastors that consistently offer "altar calls" at the end of their services.

What we do try to make them see is the utter surety of the work of God, that the desire for God is the work of God, and not simply their intellect and emotions reaching for a distant God.

You also said, "OTOH, Paul did everything possible to influence as many as he could towards salvation." Reformed theology teaches no different. The Great Commission is still the Great Commission. Combined with several other facts is the obvious one, that we don't know who is Elect and who is not.

DamianWarS · Apr 1, 2021

AubreyM said:
What do you think is required to be saved?

a saviour is required to be saved

adderbolt · Apr 1, 2021

Guojing said:
t his death, he will be placed in Abraham's bosom or Paradise.

That was also where the thief on the cross went.

Jesus' sacrifice was to atone for all Israel? Did Saint Paul believe that?

Jaxxi · Apr 1, 2021

AubreyM said:
Hello you; thank you for coming to check out this thread.

The video above is a total time of 1:13; hopefully the direct delivery will help.

What do you think is required to be saved?

Repentance, a good heart, love of mankind and above all loving God with all you have. It will take faith. Love . Repentance and grace.
Forgiveness, humility, and more love and grace.

Guojing · Apr 1, 2021

adderbolt said:
Jesus' sacrifice was to atone for all Israel? Did Saint Paul believe that?

I never said that, but Matthew 1:21 indicated that, as far as OT prophecy was concerned, Jesus was to take away the sins of his people, meaning Jews.

adderbolt · Apr 1, 2021

Guojing said:
I never said that, but Matthew 1:21 indicated that, as far as OT prophecy was concerned, Jesus was to take away the sins of his people, meaning Jews.

Complete agreement on Matthew 1 -- except not all of the Jews: past, present and future ???

Danthemailman · Apr 1, 2021

Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Not hard to understand. Just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT.

Guojing · Apr 1, 2021

adderbolt said:
Complete agreement on Matthew 1 -- except not all of the Jews: past, present and future ???

Currently, the nation of Israel has fallen, so if you are a Jew now, you are to be saved thru the Body of Christ, like all of us gentiles (Romans 11:11)

adderbolt · Apr 1, 2021

Guojing said:
Currently, the nation of Israel has fallen, so if you are a Jew now, you are to be saved thru the Body of Christ, like all of us gentiles (Romans 11:11)

Not to quibble but are you saying all will be saved as in Universalism?

Neostarwcc · Apr 1, 2021

Salvation has always been from before the foundation of the world to the end of the world, Faith Alone, In Christ alone, By the grace of God alone.

However, nobody seeks after God. Many scoff at God and hate the idea of God and if it were left up to mankind not a single soul would be saved, no not even one. So God has to intervene and change our hearts of stone to hearts of flesh so that we can accept him.

So, yes salvation is by faith and always has been. But our faith also has to be God given because we are so totally depraved we cannot accept the gospel by ourselves.

Guojing · Apr 1, 2021

adderbolt said:
Not to quibble but are you saying all will be saved as in Universalism?

No, you have to accept the gift first.

Many reject and prefer to have their own good works to be saved. Christianity is a minority religion in so many countries.

Toro · Apr 1, 2021

Absolute surrender.

Without surrender the heart is not changed. If the heart is NOT changed, one's righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees or scribes.

If ones righteousness does NOT exceed the Pharisees or scribes: Matthew 5:20

Salvation is a gift. In order to accept it, surrender is necessary.

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