What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

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One more question please?

What are these for?

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(Notice I said, what are they for?)

There not "for" anything. They just are.
 
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Some scientists have myopia, but that's why we wear corrective lenses.
I'm not going to blame all of science on just "some".

Those who don't wear glasses are just as myopic as those who do.

Science can only go so far, then it has to have the Bible take it the rest of the way, or it can take a hike.
 
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No, "facts" refers to the physical evidence. "Theory" refers to the explanation for those facts, the physical evidence.
But in the study of the past, the evidence is easily misinterpreted. That's even true often with direct observation, if there's a language barrier. I've done enough recreation of historical skills, plus seeing others do them, to know that historical accounts are often wrong. The person watching an indigenous individual work for example, will misinterpret exactly what he or she is doing, then write down his false information. But I'm supposed to believe they get history right when looking at an old bone? The room for error is enormous.
 
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But in the study of the past, the evidence is easily misinterpreted. That's even true often with direct observation, if there's a language barrier. I've done enough recreation of historical skills, plus seeing others do them, to know that historical accounts are often wrong. The person watching an indigenous individual work for example, will misinterpret exactly what he or she is doing, then write down his false information. But I'm supposed to believe they get history right when looking at an old bone? The room for error is enormous.
Of course it is, and paleontologists take care to avoid error. Their work is exacting and requires a great deal of knowledge and experience, sometimes assisted by scientists from other fields.
 
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Of course it is, and paleontologists take care to avoid error. Their work is exacting and requires a great deal of knowledge and experience, sometimes assisted by scientists from other fields.
You have much more faith in their accuracy than I do.
 
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Of course it is, and paleontologists take care to avoid error. Their work is exacting and requires a great deal of knowledge and experience, sometimes assisted by scientists from other fields.
It is interesting what can be learned from "old bones".
Does it matter? Not particularly, not at all to the incurious.
For those with a spark of interest in the world, it's interesting.
You can't learn everything about the animal but a lot can be
pieced together. There is a fossil site where a lot of animals died
in what appears to have been an extended drought and drying waterhole.

Tropical, because crocodile bones. Some of the camel and rhino bones had lain on the surface for
around a year before burial, others were fresher, probably died
in the mud. Similar scenes are acted out in Africa.
Some bones show scars from being scavenged by a giant
piglike animal. One shoulder blade has a hoofprint
broken right through it.
A lot of information can be gathered about the site.

For those incapable of appreciating such things, too
bad for them.
 
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You have much more faith in their accuracy than I do.
Perhaps--but I just don't care about it as much as you do. I expect there will be errors, but I also expect that if there are they will eventually be corrected. ToE is only a scientific theory just like any other, after all, it's not "absolute truth" and nobody's belief system depends on it being absolute truth. I see no reason not to accept it--provisionally, as all scientific theories are accepted. If it's wrong, I'm sure that some enterprising scientists will find their Nobel prizes in correcting it.
 
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Perhaps--but I just don't care about it as much as you do. I expect there will be errors, but I also expect that if there are they will eventually be corrected. ToE is only a scientific theory just like any other, after all, it's not "absolute truth" and nobody's belief system depends on it being absolute truth.

It's his loss.
Not everyone has the capacity to appreciate
what is around them.
 
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For those incapable of appreciating such things, too
bad for them.
If you appreciate death and decay that much, I can give you some better examples than those of animals dying of thirst and being picked at and their bones broken.
 
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It's his loss.
Not everyone has the capacity to appreciate
what is around them.
Ah, contrare. I appreciate everything around me. I thank the Creator for it often. I find your comment particularly amusing, since reading animal sign is one of my favorite things to do. Of course it's so I can kill and pelt them sometimes, but still...
 
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Ah, contrare. I appreciate everything around me. I thank the Creator for it often. I find your comment particularly amusing, since reading animal sign is one of my favorite things to do. Of course it's so I can kill and pelt them sometimes, but still...
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Can you tell how long a bone has been lying out in a pasture, approximately?
 
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But in the study of the past, the evidence is easily misinterpreted. That's even true often with direct observation, if there's a language barrier. I've done enough recreation of historical skills, plus seeing others do them, to know that historical accounts are often wrong.
But your bible, and more particularly your interpretation of it, are beyond reproach? :bow:
 
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A thing that is known or proved to be true.
That is not the definition of a scientific fact.
If you cannot directly observe something, how can it be a fact?
We know evolution is a fact that has occurred by observing its results, i.e. modern organisms differ from past forms
We know evolution is still occurring by the differences between organisms and their descendants.
We know a evolution theory is fact when it's predictions are observed.
We know a evolution is a fact be consilience of the evidence from independent, unrelated sources.

What facts are you suggesting to replace evolution theory?
 
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That is not the definition of a scientific fact.

We know evolution is a fact that has occurred by observing its results, i.e. modern organisms differ from past forms
We know evolution is still occurring by the differences between organisms and their descendants.
We know a evolution theory is fact when it's predictions are observed.
We know a evolution is a fact be consilience of the evidence from independent, unrelated sources.

What facts are you suggesting to replace evolution theory?

Prease exprain how theory can be fact
 
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But in the study of the past, the evidence is easily misinterpreted.
When there is consilience of evidence from many fields there is little room for misinterpretation.
That's even true often with direct observation, if there's a language barrier.
That is why science is peer reviewed
I've done enough recreation of historical skills, plus seeing others do them, to know that historical accounts are often wrong.
History is not forward looking. It does not make predictions.
The person watching an indigenous individual work for example, will misinterpret exactly what he or she is doing, then write down his false information.
I would think that a person hired to make observations would be trained well trained in the field they are working in.
But I'm supposed to believe they get history right when looking at an old bone? The room for error is enormous.
Sounds like you are claiming that forensic anthropologists wasted loads of time and money for an education that does not give them expertise in their field.
 
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