Paulomycin
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The quote is not from the Bible because that is not a Biblical view so you have to use what a man says instead. It’s a theology to relief man of guilt from what he did. Sin is not his fault.
Since it’s your theology can you please give me a Bible verse that says “man is totally depraved.” It’s a doctrine invented by Augustine.
I see you're not reading the actual verses. I didn't want to have to dump them on you like this, but. . .
Is man basically good or basically evil?
- Ecclesiastes 7:29 - “See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.”
- Romans 5:7-8 - For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die—but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
- Romans 5:12,19 - sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned… by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners
All men? Are there any exceptions?
- Psalm 143:2 - Enter not into judgment with your servant, for no one living is righteous before you.
- Romans 11:32 - For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. (c.f. Galatians 3:22)
- Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
- 2 Chronicles 6:36 - “there is no one who does not sin”
- Isaiah 53:6 - All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way
- Micah 7:2-4 - The godly has perished from the earth, and there is no one upright among mankind; they all lie in wait for blood, and each hunts the other with a net. Their hands are on what is evil, to do it well; the prince and the judge ask for a bribe, and the great man utters the evil desire of his soul; thus they weave it together. The best of them is like a brier, the most upright of them a thorn hedge.
- Romans 3:9-12 - What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” (c.f. Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3)
- 1 John 1:8,10 - If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we say we have not sinned, we make [God] a liar, and his word is not in us.
- Mark 10:18/Luke 18:19 - And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”
Are people good deep down?
- Mark 7:21-23 - “For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” (c.f. Matthew 15:19)
- Psalm 5:9 - For there is no truth in their mouth; their inmost self is destruction; their throat is an open grave; they flatter with their tongue.
Heart/Mind (Deceitful)
- Jeremiah 17:9 - “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?”
- Titus 1:15-16 - to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled.
- Ecclesiastes 9:3 - Also, the hearts of the children of man are full of evil, and madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead.
- Romans 1:28-31 - And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were… foolish
- Ephesians 4:17-18 - you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
- Jeremiah 10:7-8,14 - among all the wise ones of the nations and in all their kingdoms there is none like you. They are both stupid and foolish… Every man is stupid and without knowledge
- Matthew 15:19 - “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.” (c.f. Mark 7:21-23)
- Genesis 6:5 & 8:21 - The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually… from his youth.
- Proverbs 10:20 - the heart of the wicked is of little worth.
- Proverbs 28:26 - Whoever trusts in his own [heart] is a fool
That's about 1/3 of the way in. . .
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