God’s Wrath Poured Out on Jesus on the Cross

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You didn’t offend. Your posts lack holiness. Offending is merely against the personal tastes of a reader. Your posts were of such wording that they dirtied any mind.

I beg to differ.
Determining what is a sin and not a sin is not a lack of holiness but it is a means of eliminating bad things out of our lives.
For the Bible talks about many kinds of sins.
One has to talk about the problem in order to identify it so as to eliminate it.
Also, I did not go into any explicit details.
I was speaking generally of the sin.
I was trying to find the line of what you referred to as sin and or not sin.
But seeing you took offense to it, I removed that part of my post for you (Because for you, it is a problem).

I mean, have you ever read Judges 19 before?
Or how about the Song of Solomon?
Or how about Genesis 19:33-36?
There are many more verses in the Bible that are a whole lot more offensive than these, as well.
 
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The "condition" laid upon us is to first humbly accept God's forgiveness as pure charity and if we do then we have the much love needed to forgive others, that Love should compel us to forgive others. Do you not see God first Loving us and forgivening us?
Jesus said that if we don’t forgive others, God won’t forgive us. Point blank warning.

The parable of the servant who taste the joy of forgiveness in every aspect but refused to forgive others didn’t do so because he hadn’t received forgiveness at all. I know there is teaching out there that insists we will just automatically do the teachings of Christ with no effort but if one looks at christians one doesn’t see this effect. The teaching is relieve us of the struggle to obey. Those who embrace it likely don’t, waiting for it to just kick in.
 
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So you think God destroyed nice and kind people who had a history of bad thoughts? Yes or no

It says in Genesis 6:5, “that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil,” and thus this means that their actions were evil.

For Jesus says:

“A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.” (Matthew 12:35).

“...for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” (Matthew 12:34).​

In addition, listen also very carefully to the following words of Jesus very closely, too.

“And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” (Mark 7:20-23).​

Notice. Jesus said out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, and he lists other sins, and then Jesus says all these evil things defile the man.

For a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit (Matthew 7:18).
 
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It says in Genesis 6:5, “that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil,” and thus this means that their actions were evil.

For Jesus says:

“A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.” (Matthew 12:35).

“...for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” (Matthew 12:34).​

In addition, listen also very carefully to the following words of Jesus very closely, too.

“And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.” (Mark 7:20-23).​

Notice. Jesus said out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, and he lists other sins, and then Jesus says all these evil things defile the man.

For a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit (Matthew 7:18).
You refuse to answers questions that demonstrate your error.
 
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You refuse to answers questions that demonstrate your error.

And you refuse to look at the verses that demonstrate your own.
For the verses I presented demolish your preconceived belief that you are currently holding on to. For my authority rests in God's Word and it does not rest in answering your loaded questions.

You are asserting false conclusions into your questions that are not true.
That would be like asking me, “Which cats do you like better?” “The purple cats that fly” “Or the green cats that breath fire?” Such questions are ridiculous because there are no cats that are like that.
 
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Jesus said that if we don’t forgive others, God won’t forgive us. Point blank warning.

The parable of the servant who taste the joy of forgiveness in every aspect but refused to forgive others didn’t do so because he hadn’t received forgiveness at all. I know there is teaching out there that insists we will just automatically do the teachings of Christ with no effort but if one looks at christians one doesn’t see this effect. The teaching is relieve us of the struggle to obey. Those who embrace it likely don’t, waiting for it to just kick in.
I look at the big time criminals I taught Sunday School in prison and saw an unbelievable huge change in hem when they finially were baptized and I teach young Chinese Men ether in Communist China now or will be going back and I have seen huge changes in them.

Asa Far as Matt. 18
Did God take His forgiveness back?

God is forgiving everyone of all their sins all the time, but that does not mean forgiveness took place for all people. Atonement, forgiveness and Love are all transactions, requiring action from both parties to complete the process.

I teach the parable Matt. 18: 21-35 “The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant” lots and would like your comments on this parable.

A lot of commentaries (especially Calvinistic Commentaries) tell us what this parable does not teach, but give little support for what it does teach, so what is it teaching us?

What can we hopefully agree with from the information given and please give other options if you have them and scripture to back it up:

1. The “debt” is huge 10,000 bags of Gold (5+ billion dollars) or 10,000 bags of silver (100 million dollars) no matter, either are way above what could be paid back by a servant. Gold or silver, this is virtually an impossible amount for one person to ever owe in the first century and everyone Jesus was addressing would have realized this. Spiritually this debt would represent each of our debts created by our sinning against God and Jesus said: “The man was not able to pay”?

2. The servant asks ‘Give me time,’ he begged. ‘I’ll pay everything back.’ Is this a lie to the master or how could he not know he could not pay it back? Was the Master so stupid as to entrust a stupid servant with this much money?

3. Jesus said: “He forgave him what he owed”, but was that what the servant was asking for?

4. Could the servant have felt: “he got away with something by asking for more time”, “the master is gullible”, “he still owes master but given more time”, “the master must like him to forgive him”?

5. Matt.18:28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. This sounds like: the first servant immediate went out and found a fellow servant of the Master with little time elapsing, so is he unloving to a servant of the master?

6. Jesus teaches us in Luke 7:36-50 “… he that is forgiven much loves much…”, so since this first servant was forgiven of such a unbelievable huge debt he would automatically and have to have an unbelievable huge Love which would easily be seen in his actions. How could this servant be unloving toward a servant of the Master if he Loved the master?

7. How could the Master “handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.” Since the master had forgiven the debt the servant owed, so the servant owed the Master nothing, since no other debt is mentioned?

8. If the servant has to payback this unbelievable huge debt before the torture can stop how long will that take and does that not sound like hell?

9. Since the servant shows no great love after the Master forgave him and since the servant still owes the master the huge debt; forgiveness must not have taken place even though the master did His part perfectly was there a part the servant had to play to complete the forgiveness transaction?

10. If there is a part the sinner must play (humbly accepting the pure charity as charity) in the forgiveness process, would it take anything away from God’s sovereignty?

The transaction of forgiveness is a reconciling experience if received correctly, since the receiver of the forgiveness is going to “Love” the forgiver, according to the amount he was forgiven.

Lots of times a “forgiven” debt brings division like unforgiven debt divide people, because the receiver of the debt still feels he needs to pay the forgiver back, the memory of the debt remains and sometimes the forgiver thinks less of the person he forgave, since he did not really do it out of charity.

When I tried to “give” people money and let them know it is given as pure charity, they have said on the way out: “When I get back on my feet, I will pay you back” or “OK, so you are paying forward by giving me this money”. When they do understand that this money is part of the money, I would have given to other charities and I am giving it to them instead of other charities I support, they can see themselves as being like one of the charities, I love, which is the way I am seeing them. I will be keeping up with them like the other charities I Love.

If the person does not accept the forgiveness of the debt, as pure undeserved charity, my forgiving them will do more harm to them than good and this takes more work on my part to explain to them what I did and what they received. We become like the Master in that when we find out the receiver of our forgiveness did not receive it as pure charity, we have to confront the receiver with the truth (we sometimes do not like this part of the parable, because it is work for us).
 
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Jesus said that if we don’t forgive others, God won’t forgive us. Point blank warning.

The parable of the servant who taste the joy of forgiveness in every aspect but refused to forgive others didn’t do so because he hadn’t received forgiveness at all. I know there is teaching out there that insists we will just automatically do the teachings of Christ with no effort but if one looks at christians one doesn’t see this effect. The teaching is relieve us of the struggle to obey. Those who embrace it likely don’t, waiting for it to just kick in.

That is why rightly dividing the word of truth can be so liberating.

Jesus's instructions was only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24), and were under the Law of Moses.

Under Moses, you have to forgive others before God will forgive you of your sins.
 
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