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The Gospel, Romans 10:17

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True great scripture. Believe what exactly? - Yep the Word of God. The Word of God is the gospel because it's Gods' good new of salvation for all those who believe His Word.
 
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In Him, Romans 10:11

-CryptoLutheran

You had it the first time. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God - Romans 10:17. We are to believe the Word of God because the Word of God is the gospel (meaning "good news or clad tidings"). No Word = no gospel = no faith = lost
 
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True great scripture. Believe what exactly? - Yep the Word of God. The Word of God is the gospel because it's Gods' good new of salvation for all those who believe His Word.

If by "word of God" you mean the Gospel itself, yes. Many times the preaching of the Gospel is called the preaching of the word, word of God, etc.

If by "word of God" you mean everything written in the Bible, then no, of course not, that's ridiculous. The Gospel isn't everything written in the Bible, otherwise the horrible desire of the Psalmist who writes that he desires to see Babylonians infants have their heads dashed on rocks would be the Gospel.

And I really hope you don't think revenge fantasies involving infanticide are good news of our salvation.

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You had it the first time. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God - Romans 10:17. We are to believe the Word of God because the Word of God is the gospel. No Word = no gospel = no faith = lost

The word of God (or word of Christ, depending on translation) in Romans 10:17 is the Gospel, not the Bible.

The Bible contains the Gospel. In the same way that the Bible contains Jesus Christ. But the Bible is neither Jesus nor His Gospel. It's the Bible.

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If by "word of God" you mean everything written in the Bible, then no, of course not, that's ridiculous. The Gospel isn't everything written in the Bible, otherwise the horrible desire of the Psalmist who writes that he desires to see Babylonians infants have their heads dashed on rocks would be the Gospel.
And I really hope you don't think revenge fantasies involving infanticide are good news of our salvation.

The scripture contexts are always important it is the bible itself that is the Word of God collectively the scriptures of the old and new testament define the good news of Gods' salvation for all mankind and was preached in both the old and new testament scriptures
 
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The word of God (or word of Christ, depending on translation) in Romans 10:17 is the Gospel, not the Bible.

The Bible contains the Gospel. In the same way that the Bible contains Jesus Christ. But the Bible is neither Jesus nor His Gospel. It's the Bible.

-CryptoLutheran

No, the Word of God is all scriptures that is God breathed and given by God's inspiration and we are to live by them according to Jesus *Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:15-16
 
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The word of God (or word of Christ, depending on translation) in Romans 10:17 is the Gospel, not the Bible.
-CryptoLutheran

I see, thanks for sharing your view. So if your view is correct, what Gospel are these scriptures talking about from the old and new covenant before the death and resurrection of Jesus?

After Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.....

Mark 1:15 [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

Wait a minute? Jesus is ONLY JUST STARTING HIS MINISTRY and has NOT DIED, has not been buried and if he has not died and not been buried he certainly has not been resurrected. Yet here we have Jesus BEGINNING his MINISTRY and preaching the GOSPEL

and again..................

Mark 8:35 [35], For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but WHOSOEVER SHALL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS, THE SAME SHALL SAVE IT.

Well here we have it again the Gospel is being preached BEFORE the death of Jesus and again......

Matthew 4:23 [23], And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Seems like Matthew and Mark both agree that Jesus is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the death of Jesus...

Matthew 9:35 [35], And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Yep Jesus still going about everywhere preaching the Gospel. His whole Ministry BEFORE His DEATH was preaching the GOSPEL..

Matthew 11:4-5 [4], Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5], The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

and again..............

Matthew 24:14 [14], And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yep Jesus is still preaching the Gospel before His Death and Resurrection. Mathew and Mark both agree.....
Luke talks about Jesus in the Synagogue.....

Luke 7:22 [22], Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED.

Yep Matthew, Mark and Luke all agree the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

Luke 20:1 [1], And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and PREACHED THE GOSPEL, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Yep there goes Jesus again teaching the people in the temple and preaching the GOSPEL before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.....

So ok lets bring it all together............

The Good New (Gospel) is JESUS and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. It is the WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE GOSPEL that we are to BELIEVE IN AND LIVE BY. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). It is by GRACE that we are SAVED <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and NOT of your selves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS LEST ANY MAN should boast.

Jesus's ministry started since he was a child but more so after the Baptism of John and his temptation in the wilderness where he soon after started preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! (Matthew 4:17; 23; 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:16)

Did you know that the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the NEW Testament scriptures (Hebrews 4:2)? The GOSPEL is indeed JESUS; the Word of God and he is the good news of the Old and NEW Testament scripture that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT....

Galatians 3:8 [8], And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Yep once again seems like Abraham had the Gospel in his day in the OLD Testament well before Mt Sinai...

Luke 4:17 [17], And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18], The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because HE HAS ANNOTATED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Well it seems like Isaiah from the OLD TESTAMENT knew about the Gospel (Isaiah 52:7 pointing to Jesus in Luke 7:22) so the Gospel indeed was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS even in the OLD TESTAMENT.......

The Gospel was preached to God's people leaving Egypt...

Context...

Hebrews 3:7-19
[7], Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Continuing...

Hebrews 4:1-4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], FOR UNTO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM; BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

............

As posted earlier all the Word of God is the gospel because it is the good news of God's salvation for all mankind pointing to Jesus as the central theme of both the old and new testament scriptures.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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The scripture contexts are always important it is the bible itself that is the Word of God collectively the scriptures of the old and new testament define the good news of Gods' salvation for all mankind and was preached in both the old and new testament scriptures

We call it that, yes. But there was no Bible when the Bible was being written. In the same way that we didn't have the Collected Works of William Shakespeare while Shakespeare was writing those very works.

We call the Holy Scriptures God's word because we confess that God has spoken, and indeed, speaks to us through these received sacred texts. And for this reason the Scriptures are the word of God because they contain the word of God, indeed they contain the very Word of God Himself, Jesus Christ our Lord. As He Himself has told us plainly that the Scriptures bear witness of Him. Therefore He is the Subject of the Bible, He is their Object, their purpose, their reason for existence--to proclaim and speak Christ to us.

Thus we read the word of God that we might hear and encounter the Word of God Himself. And the word He speaks to us sinners is good news for to us He gave Himself as the atonement for our sins, has made peace between us and God, has cleansed us from all injustice, and freely justified us in Himself. But we also hear God's other word, His Law, the word of condemnation and death to sinners. Not because the Law was intended to bring death, but as the Apostle says the Law brings death through sin. Therefore under the Law sin drives us away from God, and the Law reveals us contemptuous.

When David declares that God's word is a lamp unto his feet, he speaks here of the Law given through Moses, the 613 mitzvot of the Torah--not the Gospel, not the Bible, not Jesus, but the Law.

If you are simply going to take every instance and every permutation of "word of God" to mean the exact same thing, then you are going to get really confused really quickly. Which, as it turns out, seems to be exactly what has happened here.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I see, thanks for sharing your view. So if your view is correct, what Gospel are these scriptures talking about from the old and new covenant before the death and resurrection of Jesus?

After Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.....

Mark 1:15 [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

Wait a minute? Jesus is ONLY JUST STARTING HIS MINISTRY and has NOT DIED, has not been buried and if he has not died and not been buried he certainly has not been resurrected. Yet here we have Jesus BEGINNING his MINISTRY and preaching the GOSPEL

and again..................

Mark 8:35 [35], For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but WHOSOEVER SHALL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS, THE SAME SHALL SAVE IT.

Well here we have it again the Gospel is being preached BEFORE the death of Jesus and again......

Matthew 4:23 [23], And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Seems like Matthew and Mark both agree that Jesus is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the death of Jesus...

Matthew 9:35 [35], And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Yep Jesus still going about everywhere preaching the Gospel. His whole Ministry BEFORE His DEATH was preaching the GOSPEL..

Matthew 11:4-5 [4], Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5], The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

and again..............

Matthew 24:14 [14], And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yep Jesus is still preaching the Gospel before His Death and Resurrection. Mathew and Mark both agree.....
Luke talks about Jesus in the Synagogue.....

Luke 7:22 [22], Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED.

Yep Matthew, Mark and Luke all agree the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

Luke 20:1 [1], And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and PREACHED THE GOSPEL, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Yep there goes Jesus again teaching the people in the temple and preaching the GOSPEL before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.....

So ok lets bring it all together............

The Good New (Gospel) is JESUS and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. It is the WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE GOSPEL that we are to BELIEVE IN AND LIVE BY. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). It is by GRACE that we are SAVED <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and NOT of your selves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS LEST ANY MAN should boast.

Jesus's ministry started since he was a child but more so after the Baptism of John and his temptation in the wilderness where he soon after started preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! (Matthew 4:17; 23; 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:16)

Did you know that the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the NEW Testament scriptures (Hebrews 4:2)? The GOSPEL is indeed JESUS; the Word of God and he is the good news of the Old and NEW Testament scripture that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT....

Galatians 3:8 [8], And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Yep once again seems like Abraham had the Gospel in his day in the OLD Testament well before Mt Sinai...

Luke 4:17 [17], And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18], The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because HE HAS ANNOTATED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Well it seems like Isaiah from the OLD TESTAMENT knew about the Gospel (Isaiah 52:7 pointing to Jesus in Luke 7:22) so the Gospel indeed was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS even in the OLD TESTAMENT.......

The Gospel was preached to God's people leaving Egypt...

Context...

Hebrews 3:7-19
[7], Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Continuing...

Hebrews 4:1-4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], FOR UNTO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM; BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

............

As posted earlier all the Word of God is the gospel because it is the good news of God's salvation for all mankind pointing to Jesus as the central theme of both the old and new testament scriptures.

Hope this is helpful.

Just further confirmation that you are apparently very confused about this subject.

Why is it a problem for Jesus to be proclaiming the Gospel before His death and resurrection? After all, the Gospel has been preached since the beginning,

"He will crush your head, and you shall strike His heel." - Genesis 3:15

-CryptoLutheran
 
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LoveGodsWord said: I see, thanks for sharing your view. So if your view is correct, what Gospel are these scriptures talking about from the old and new covenant before the death and resurrection of Jesus?

After Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.....

Mark 1:15 [15], And saying, The time is fulfilled, and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

Wait a minute? Jesus is ONLY JUST STARTING HIS MINISTRY and has NOT DIED, has not been buried and if he has not died and not been buried he certainly has not been resurrected. Yet here we have Jesus BEGINNING his MINISTRY and preaching the GOSPEL

and again..................

Mark 8:35 [35], For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but WHOSOEVER SHALL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS, THE SAME SHALL SAVE IT.

Well here we have it again the Gospel is being preached BEFORE the death of Jesus and again......

Matthew 4:23 [23], And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Seems like Matthew and Mark both agree that Jesus is preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom before the death of Jesus...

Matthew 9:35 [35], And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Yep Jesus still going about everywhere preaching the Gospel. His whole Ministry BEFORE His DEATH was preaching the GOSPEL..

Matthew 11:4-5 [4], Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: [5], The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and THE POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.

and again..............

Matthew 24:14 [14], And this GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yep Jesus is still preaching the Gospel before His Death and Resurrection. Mathew and Mark both agree.....
Luke talks about Jesus in the Synagogue.....

Luke 7:22 [22], Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED.

Yep Matthew, Mark and Luke all agree the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS.

Luke 20:1 [1], And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and PREACHED THE GOSPEL, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Yep there goes Jesus again teaching the people in the temple and preaching the GOSPEL before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.....

So ok lets bring it all together............

The Good New (Gospel) is JESUS and Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. It is the WORD OF GOD THAT IS THE GOSPEL that we are to BELIEVE IN AND LIVE BY. (Matt 4:4; John 1-1-4; John 3:16). It is by GRACE that we are SAVED <HOW?> THROUGH FAITH and NOT of your selves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS LEST ANY MAN should boast.

Jesus's ministry started since he was a child but more so after the Baptism of John and his temptation in the wilderness where he soon after started preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! (Matthew 4:17; 23; 9:35; 11:5; 24:14; 26:16)

Did you know that the Gospel was being preached BEFORE the NEW Testament scriptures (Hebrews 4:2)? The GOSPEL is indeed JESUS; the Word of God and he is the good news of the Old and NEW Testament scripture that we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST; THE SON OF GOD <the WORD OF GOD; John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6>

THE GOSPEL WAS PREACHED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT....

Galatians 3:8 [8], And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Yep once again seems like Abraham had the Gospel in his day in the OLD Testament well before Mt Sinai...

Luke 4:17 [17], And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18], The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because HE HAS ANNOTATED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Well it seems like Isaiah from the OLD TESTAMENT knew about the Gospel (Isaiah 52:7 pointing to Jesus in Luke 7:22) so the Gospel indeed was being preached BEFORE the DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS even in the OLD TESTAMENT.......

The Gospel was preached to God's people leaving Egypt...

Context...

Hebrews 3:7-19
[7], Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Continuing...

Hebrews 4:1-4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], FOR UNTO US WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM; BUT THE WORD PREACHED DID NOT PROFIT THEM NOT BEING MIXED WITH FAITH IN THEM THAT HEARD IT.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

............

As posted earlier all the Word of God is the gospel because it is the good news of God's salvation for all mankind pointing to Jesus as the central theme of both the old and new testament scriptures.

Hope this is helpful.
Your response here...
Just further confirmation that you are apparently very confused about this subject.

Why is it a problem for Jesus to be proclaiming the Gospel before His death and resurrection? After all, the Gospel has been preached since the beginning,

"He will crush your head, and you shall strike His heel." - Genesis 3:15

-CryptoLutheran

Your responding to God's Word which are not mine but God's for which I thanked you earlier for sharing your view. I then asked you if your view is correct what gospel were those scriptures in the post you are responding to here were talking about from the old and new covenant before the death and resurrection of Jesus? Your response seems to suggest you have no idea as you made no attempt to answer my question to you accept to accuse me of being confused when all I did was to ask you a question in regards to your view and to the scriptures shared with you that do not seem to agree with what you said. Jesus did not proclaim his death burial and resurrection in those scriptures shared with you in the post above or the scriptures shared in reference to the gospel being proclaimed in the old covenant in the same post. Apparently your claims of confusion are not on my side as I know the answer to the question I asked you and have shown it through the scriptures. You in return have only provided your words that are not God's word.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: The scripture contexts are always important it is the bible itself that is the Word of God collectively the scriptures of the old and new testament define the good news of Gods' salvation for all mankind and was preached in both the old and new testament scriptures
Your response here...
We call it that, yes. But there was no Bible when the Bible was being written. In the same way that we didn't have the Collected Works of William Shakespeare while Shakespeare was writing those very works.

We call the Holy Scriptures God's word because we confess that God has spoken, and indeed, speaks to us through these received sacred texts. And for this reason the Scriptures are the word of God because they contain the word of God, indeed they contain the very Word of God Himself, Jesus Christ our Lord. As He Himself has told us plainly that the Scriptures bear witness of Him. Therefore He is the Subject of the Bible, He is their Object, their purpose, their reason for existence--to proclaim and speak Christ to us.

Thus we read the word of God that we might hear and encounter the Word of God Himself. And the word He speaks to us sinners is good news for to us He gave Himself as the atonement for our sins, has made peace between us and God, has cleansed us from all injustice, and freely justified us in Himself. But we also hear God's other word, His Law, the word of condemnation and death to sinners. Not because the Law was intended to bring death, but as the Apostle says the Law brings death through sin. Therefore under the Law sin drives us away from God, and the Law reveals us contemptuous.

When David declares that God's word is a lamp unto his feet, he speaks here of the Law given through Moses, the 613 mitzvot of the Torah--not the Gospel, not the Bible, not Jesus, but the Law.

If you are simply going to take every instance and every permutation of "word of God" to mean the exact same thing, then you are going to get really confused really quickly. Which, as it turns out, seems to be exactly what has happened here.

-CryptoLutheran
No. There is two covenants of scripture we call the old and new testament. The new testament scriptures have come from the old testament scriptures. It is both the old and new covenant scriptures that point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation for all mankind.

The old covenant points to the coming of the Messiah as Jesus who would come to give his life as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and those under this covenant looked forward to the promise of the Messiah while today unlike those of the old covenant we look backwards to Jesus as the promised Messiah that has come and shed His blood for the sins of the whole world once and for all.

All the new testament are the teaching of Jesus (the living Word of God) as well as the inspired words of His Apostles and collectively both the old and new testament scripture are God's Word and the good news (gospel) of God's salvation for all mankind and the two great witnesses that point to Jesus who is the central theme of the gospel. All of Gods Word according to the scriptures are the gospel because collectively both the old and new testament are the good news of God's plan of salvation for all mankind.

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Your response here...

No. There is two covenants of scripture we call the old and new testament. The new testament scriptures have come from the old testament scriptures. It is both the old and new covenant scriptures that point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation for all mankind.

The old covenant points to the coming of the Messiah as Jesus who would come to give his life as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and those under this covenant looked forward to the promise of the Messiah while today unlike those of the old covenant we look backwards to the Jesus as the promised Messiah that has come and shed His blood for the sins of the whole world once and for all.

All the new testament are the teaching of Jesus (the living Word of God) as well as the inspired words of His Apostles and collectively both the old and new testament scripture are God's Word and the good news (gospel) of God's salvation for all mankind and the two great witnesses that point to Jesus who is the central theme of the gospel. All of Gods Word according to the scriptures are the gospel because collectively both the old and new testament are the good news of God's plan of salvation for all mankind.

Hope this is helpful

You have a couple things right here, the Bible is comprised of two parts, the Old and New Testaments. And that together these have been accepted and received as Holy Scripture. And that these divisions reflect the Old and New Covenants respectively. You are also correct that the Old Testament points to Jesus, and that the New Testament proclaims Him in the Gospels and in the writings and words of the Holy Apostles as contained in the New Testament Canon.

But you remain very mistaken in your fundamental premises which I addressed already in my previous post.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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But you remain very mistaken in your fundamental premises which I addressed already in my previous post.

Thanks for your view but you did not address anything in your previous post in regards to the scriptures provided to you that disagree with you accept to provide your opinion which was not scripture. So we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
 
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Thanks for your view but you did not address anything in your previous post that disagreed with anything that was shared with you from the scriptures that disagree with you accept to provide your opinion which is not scripture. So we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

You didn't provide any Scriptures that disagreed with my viewpoint.

You provided Scriptures of Jesus speaking of the Gospel during His ministry, which doesn't conflict with what I believe or what I've said thus far.

Perhaps you could pin point precisely where the conflicts exist, spell it out for me plainly.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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You didn't provide any Scriptures that disagreed with my viewpoint.

You provided Scriptures of Jesus speaking of the Gospel during His ministry, which doesn't conflict with what I believe or what I've said thus far.

Perhaps you could pin point precisely where the conflicts exist, spell it out for me plainly.

-CryptoLutheran

Well that is not true. Perhaps you missed the scriptures already provided in the rush of your response.
What is the true gospel scripture support here linked (Linked for easy access). Scripture was provided much earlier in the OP that has context to both the old and new testament scriptures showing that the gospel (simply meaning "good news or glad tidings") which is all the bible not some of it pointing to Jesus as it's central theme. This disagrees with your application to only the life, death and resurrection which is the central theme of the gospel but not the entire gospel. All of God's Word according to the scriptures are the gospel as it is the good news of God's salvation for all mankind to those who believe and follow them *Matthew 4:4.
 
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Well that is not true. Perhaps you missed the scriptures already provided in the rush of your response.
What is the true gospel scripture support here linked (Linked for easy access). Scripture was provided much earlier in the OP that has context to both the old and new testament scriptures showing that the gospel (simply meaning "good news or glad tidings") is all the bible not some of it pointing to Jesus as it's central theme. This disagrees with your application to only the death and resurrection which is the central theme of the gospel but not the entire gospel. All of God's Word according to the scriptures are the gospel as it is the good news of God's salvation for all mankind to those who believe and follow them *Matthew 4:4.

First of all, at no point have I said that the Gospel is "only the death and resurrection" of Jesus. And I suspect that this is where you've misunderstood what my position is.

Anything that I have to do for God is the Law.
The Gospel is what God does for us.

I would also like to, again, extend the invitation to show me precisely where what I've said is in conflict with the Scriptures you have provided.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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First of all, at no point have I said that the Gospel is "only the death and resurrection" of Jesus. And I suspect that this is where you've misunderstood what my position is.

Anything that I have to do for God is the Law.
The Gospel is what God does for us.

I would also like to, again, extend the invitation to show me precisely where what I've said is in conflict with the Scriptures you have provided.

-CryptoLutheran

What is your position then so there is no misunderstanding what is your definition of gospel (scripture please)? Once again the rest of your post does not define gospel and leads me to believe my original view of your position was correct. Now how can you have law without grace when God's law leads us to His grace? - You cannot. *Matthew 9:12-13; Galatians 3:22-25. This only supports the scripture view shared with you earlier (here) that the gospel is all scripture because all the scriptures of the old and new testament point to Jesus and God's good news (gospel) and plan of salvation for all mankind..
 
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Jesus is our creator (Colossians 1:16-20). His ministry began at creation (Revelation 13:8).

  • The word "testament" is a synonym for "testimony", indicating that the Old and New Testaments are indeed the complete testimony of Jesus Christ.
  • If Jesus is our creator and has played an integral role in Biblical events in the Old Testament, then indeed the testimony of Jesus is the complete word of God—Jesus is the complete word of God.
  • If you want to get technical, the Sabbath is the first testimony of Jesus which was given on the seventh day. From the day man was created, testimony was given, as it was foreordained.

Exodus 16:34 As the Lord commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

Jesus is the complete word of God. His testimony is the complete word of God. Professing otherwise is treating the Bible like a choose-your-own-adventure book.
 
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Jesus is our creator (Colossians 1:16-20). His ministry began at creation (Revelation 13:8).

  • The word "testament" is a synonym for "testimony", indicating that the Old and New Testaments are indeed the complete testimony of Jesus Christ.
  • If Jesus is our creator and has played an integral role in Biblical events in the Old Testament, then indeed the testimony of Jesus is the complete word of God—Jesus is the complete word of God.
  • If you want to get technical, the Sabbath is the first testimony of Jesus which was given on the seventh day. From the day man was created, testimony was given, as it was foreordained.

Exodus 16:34 As the Lord commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

Jesus is the complete word of God. His testimony is the complete word of God. Professing otherwise is treating the Bible like a choose-your-own-adventure book.

No one has said that Jesus is not the Word of God.

The point being made is that the Gospel is the Gospel. Jesus is Jesus. The Bible is the Bible.

There are different words that mean different things. There is a reason for that. No need to confuse people by making a mystery out of it.
 
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