Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

VirOptimus said:
That is not "proof" of anything.

Yes, it is.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

VirOptimus said:
Anyway, "proof" would make faith unnecessary.

In a sense, yes.

1 Corinthians 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

But for those of us who haven't seen what they saw:

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

... they get blessed in a special way.

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

Speedwell said:
But no science.

Science was out hiking when God performed those miracles.

Speedwell · Mar 30, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Science was out hiking when God performed those miracles.

Yep.

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

Speedwell said:
Yep.

But those days of special miracles are now over. They ended in AD 96 with the completion of the Scriptures.

VirOptimus · Mar 30, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Yes, it is.

The Bible says it, that settles it.

-snip-

No, that is not how it works.

FYI, I never read scriptures so stop quoting it when replying to me.

Estrid · Mar 30, 2021

VirOptimus said:
No, that is not how it works.

FYI, I never read scriptures so stop quoting it when replying to me.

A lot of people do that.
I never read it either.

I think it is supposed to stand for
something like, "See, God agrees with me".

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

Estrid said:
A lot of people do that.
I never read it either.

I think it is supposed to stand for
something like, "See, God agrees with me".

Blessed Information Bringing Life Eternal

VirOptimus · Mar 30, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Blessed Information Bringing Life Eternal

Take it to an appropriate subfora.

renniks · Mar 30, 2021

Speedwell said:
As many as you like, but I don't see the point of it. Scientific theories are constantly being modified or abandoned entirely as more evidence becomes available. That's how science works.

Lol, that's what I just said. And was told it never happens.

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Mar 30, 2021

AV1611VET said:
Let's put it this way: I know things experts don't.

As Mark Twain said; “What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”

renniks · Mar 30, 2021

Estrid said:
Amusing of course that you go back 200 years to find one that
was disproved.
Or to think that anyone who has studied biology
needs your review on the ontogeny
recapitulate thing.
You specifically said "proven" theory.
The number of proven theories, is and
always will be zero.
Please try to get the idea science does not do proof,
and waste no more bandwidth on corrections of this
rookie error.

So you are arguing against what I said by saying the same thing with different words. Weird.
I still have had people bring up the gill slit theory to try to prove evolution, BTW.

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

Ponderous Curmudgeon said:
As Mark Twain said; “What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so.”

That, by the way, was his definition of "faith."

VirOptimus · Mar 30, 2021

renniks said:
So you are arguing against what I said by saying the same thing with different words. Weird.
I still have had people bring up the gill slit theory to try to prove evolution, BTW.

Evolution=fact. Theory of evolution=explains how it works.

Estrid · Mar 30, 2021

renniks said:
So you are arguing against what I said by saying the same thing with different words. Weird.
I still have had people bring up the gill slit theory to try to prove evolution, BTW.

Weird is that you could possibly think that.

Topic: you spoke of proven theories that were disproved

NO THEORY CAN EVER BE PROVEN,
SO
THERE ARE NO "PROVEN THEORIES" THAT WERE DISPROVED.

If btw you argue with ignorant people they will say
ignorant things.
Like that they can "prove" evolution.
Or use the word "prove" in any context re science.

Proof has no place in science.

renniks · Mar 30, 2021

VirOptimus said:
Evolution=fact. Theory of evolution=explains how it works.

Nope. It's not a fact, if based on a theory. Or a lot of theory. Take out the framework, the evolutionary model that scientists assume is basically correct and all you have are a lot of observations that all add up to..what? What they add up to depends on what model of origins one places the observations into.

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Mar 30, 2021

AV1611VET said:
That, by the way, was his definition of "faith."

Sorry, that was actually probably apocryphal. Twain's quote on faith was; "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."

VirOptimus · Mar 30, 2021

renniks said:
Nope. It's not a fact, if based on a theory. Or a lot of theory. Take out the framework, the evolutionary model that scientists assume is basically correct and all you have are a lot of observations that all add up to..what? What they add up to depends on what model of origins one places the observations into.

No thats completly wrong.

Evolution happens, thats a fact. Do you seriously say that thats not true? That populations dont change over time?

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

Estrid said:
If btw you argue with ignorant people they will say
ignorant things.

When I was in the ninth grade in 1969, my science teacher had us learn all nine planets in the proper order; and we were graded on it too.

VirOptimus · Mar 30, 2021

AV1611VET said:
When I was in the ninth grade in 1969, my science teacher had us learn all nine planets in the proper order; and we were graded on it too.

Ooo let me guess, you are going to whine about Pluto again?

AV1611VET · Mar 30, 2021

VirOptimus said:
Ooo let me guess, you are going to whine about Pluto again?

I never whine about Pluto; just the science behind it.

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