Was the 70th Week of Daniel Fulfilled during the First Century?

BABerean2 · Mar 29, 2021

Oseas said:
(the 1st half of the week 70th)

Are you claiming Jesus Christ did not fulfill all of the things found in verse 24 below, during the first century?

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

During which week was the Messiah cut off, if we use normal math?

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

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Oseas · Mar 29, 2021

BABerean2 said:

Are you claiming Jesus Christ did not fulfill all of the things found in verse 24 below, during the first century?

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You are saying that, not me. My post #380 refers strictly on the events which will fulfill in the 70th and last week, mainly the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation in the midst of the 70th week, as follows:
Daniel 7:v.25
25 And he (he, who? the Beast) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High...and they -the saints of the most High-shall be given into his hand (hand of the Beast of sea-Revelation 13:v.5 to 7) until a time and times and the dividing of time.-As is written in Revelation 11:v.2 and Revelation 13:v.5 to 7-, and will fulfill LITERALLY in days to come.

Revelation 11:v.1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. (the 1st half of the week 70th)
Revelation 13:v.5 to 7
5 And there was given unto him-unto the Beast of sea- a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (1st half of week 70th, in fulfillment of Revelation 11:v.2 and Daniel 9:v.27)
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God-Daniel 7:v.25-, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints-saints of the Most High-Daniel 7:v.25-, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

BABerean2 said:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

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BABerean2 said:
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

During which week was the Messiah cut off, if we use normal math?

My source to interpret the Word of GOD is not the same of yours: JESUS said: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

What matters is the truth, i.e. it is what will actually happen in fulfillment of the Word of God - The Word is God. You are looking back, I am not but looking forward; you only see what has already happened, and you have no vision of future events, even for events of this short time, even in this current decade.

Daniel 12:v. 6-7 and 11
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half;(2nd half of week 70th) and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (2 Thes. 2:v.7), and the ABOMINATION that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days -1,290 days-(2nd half of week 70th) - GOD will send a strong delusion-2 Thes. 2:v.11- that they- mainly the Jewish people- should believe a lie, believe in the false messiah-AN IMPOSTOR-John 5:v. 43 to 47-2nd half of the 70th week)

Be careful - GOD will send now a false messiah that the people believe a lie, because they received not the love of the Truth - received not JESUS-, that they might be saved. Woe of the earth.

Douggg · Mar 30, 2021

Oseas said:
GOD will send a strong delusion-2 Thes. 2:v.11- that they- mainly the Jewish people- should believe a lie, believe in the false messiah-AN IMPOSTOR-John 5:v. 43 to 47-2nd half of the 70th week)

What is your basis that the Jews are looking for a messiah who will claim to be God?

BABerean2 · Mar 30, 2021

Oseas said:
My source to interpret the Word of GOD is not the same of yours: JESUS said: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

My source of truth is found below, and is the fulfillment of John 14:26.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Your source is either the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, or someone who has been taught from the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, as revealed by the old preacher from North Carolina found below.

Nobody has ever found the word "antichrist" in Daniel chapter 9.
Nobody has ever found the word "gap" in Daniel chapter 9.
Nobody has ever proven the Messiah was cut off during the 69th week, by using normal math.

Anyone who thinks the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant, has cut Matthew 26:28, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:22-24, out of their Bible.

Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah's death.
This is what the Spirit of God has revealed in the Word.

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BobRyan · Mar 30, 2021

Oseas said:
Daniel 7:v.25 reveals it will be 1,260 days, not 1,260 years, this theory is an old invention.

Protestant reformers were historicists and so is Dan 9 using a day for year for the 70 weeks.

1. All apocalyptic timelines use day for year.
2.All Bible timelines are contiguous - so no slicing and dicing them into bits and scattering them all over history with gaps of undefined length of time between the bits.

Douggg · Mar 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Nobody has ever found the word "antichrist" in Daniel chapter 9.
Nobody has ever found the word "gap" in Daniel chapter 9.
Nobody has ever proven the Messiah was cut off during the 69th week, by using normal math.

Daniel and Gabriel referred to the vision of the little horn person and the 2300 days time of the end.

The little horn is the prince who shall come from geographically from one of the four breakup-kingdoms territories in Daniel 8:9 into the middle east , Israel.

The little horn as the prince who shall come is not the Antichrist at that point. But the leader of the Roman empire of the end times, i.e. the EU.

When the little horn person is anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name, it is at that point he becomes the Antichrist.

1. There is no requirement to confirm the new covenant for 7 years in the bible. Christianity also does not have any special day to commemorate the 7 years.

Moses established a requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. That is what is in the bible.

2. The 7 years are separated from the 62 weeks, because Jesus was cutoff at the end of the 62 weeks, arriving in Jerusalem and crucified 4 days later, and resurrected on the third day - which is intentionally not mentioned in the text of Daniel 9.

Jesus did not destroy the second temple and city. And was not of the people who did.

The messiah arrives in Jerusalem, 62 weeks unto messiah v 25.
The messiah cutoff after 62 weeks v26.

Essentially at the same time. Not after 62 and 1/2 weeks.

None of the things regarding the vision have been fulfilled... nor of the little horn daring to challenge the Prince of prince in Daniel 8:25, and is destroyed.

The video NEVER acknowledges Jesus arriving in Jerusalem as the messiah, hailed as the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord, in John 12:12-15. And being cutoff a few days later.

Anyone who denies that there is a gap between Jesus's first coming and His Second Coming is denying the bible.

Timtofly · Mar 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Nobody has ever found the word "antichrist" in Daniel chapter 9.
Nobody has ever found the word "gap" in Daniel chapter 9.
Nobody has ever proven the Messiah was cut off during the 69th week, by using normal math.

And so far, only John has witnessed the final years of the 7 years given to Jesus as a completion to Jesus being obedient to God at His Second Coming.

Since Messiah being cut off, is the definition of the 70th week, then the return of Messiah will conclude the 70th week. Then for one week, during the 7th Trumpet, Jesus will confirm the Covenant of the Atonement. If necessary Satan will be granted a 42 month time of total desolation, that is brought to an end at the battle of Armageddon.

BTW. Daniel 9:26 states how long the Messiah is cut off.

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

We know the city and Temple were laid to waste in 70AD. The city was rebuilt around 1500. The people returned in 1948. Jerusalem was gained back in 1967. The only thing left is war and a Flood. Revelation 12:15.

"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."

Israel flees a second time after 1967. Satan sends a flood by means of a war. The Second Coming would be the moment the earth is re-arranged to counteract that Flood.

Timtofly · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
Anyone who denies that there is a gap between Jesus's first coming and His Second Coming is denying the bible.

History as well. The Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in 70AD. That was a gap of 40 years. The walls were put back in the 1500's, after years of desolation. The Jews could not return until 1948. Satan still has to cause a war and a Flood that will attempt to wipe out Israel.

BABerean2 · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
Jesus was cutoff at the end of the 62 weeks, arriving in Jerusalem and crucified 4 days later

Are you using some of that public school "New Math" to claim He was not cut off "after" the end of the 69 weeks, as the text of the Bible says?

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Are you claiming Daniel 9:27 is in no way related to Matthew 26:28, by attempting to separate the Messiah's death and the New Covenant fulfilled by His Blood?

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Based on the verse below, the Messiah's death cannot be separated from the New Covenant, as you are attempting to do.

Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

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jgr · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
Daniel and Gabriel referred to the vision of the little horn person and the 2300 days time of the end.

The little horn is the prince who shall come from geographically from one of the four breakup-kingdoms territories in Daniel 8:9 into the middle east , Israel.

The little horn as the prince who shall come is not the Antichrist at that point. But the leader of the Roman empire of the end times, i.e. the EU.

When the little horn person is anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name, it is at that point he becomes the Antichrist.

1. There is no requirement to confirm the new covenant for 7 years in the bible. Christianity also does not have any special day to commemorate the 7 years.

Moses established a requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. That is what is in the bible.

2. The 7 years are separated from the 62 weeks, because Jesus was cutoff at the end of the 62 weeks, arriving in Jerusalem and crucified 4 days later, and resurrected on the third day - which is intentionally not mentioned in the text of Daniel 9.

Jesus did not destroy the second temple and city. And was not of the people who did.

The messiah arrives in Jerusalem, 62 weeks unto messiah v 25.
The messiah cutoff after 62 weeks v26.

Essentially at the same time. Not after 62 and 1/2 weeks.

None of the things regarding the vision have been fulfilled... nor of the little horn daring to challenge the Prince of prince in Daniel 8:25, and is destroyed.

The video NEVER acknowledges Jesus arriving in Jerusalem as the messiah, hailed as the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord, in John 12:12-15. And being cutoff a few days later.

Anyone who denies that there is a gap between Jesus's first coming and His Second Coming is denying the bible.

Clement of Alexandria (150 AD - 215 AD) (On Daniel 9:24-27 ; The 'Seventy Weeks' of Daniel)
"From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to seal sins, and to wipe out and make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. Know therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the word commanding an answer to be given, and Jerusalem to be built, to Christ the Prince, are seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and the street shall be again built, and the wall; and the times shall be expended. And after the sixty-two weeks the anointing shall be overthrown, and judgment shall not be in him; and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary along with the coming Prince. And they shall be destroyed in a flood, and to the end of the war shall be cut off by: desolations. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week; and in the middle of the week the sacrifice and oblation shall be taken away; and in the holy place shall be the abomination of desolations, and until the consummation of time shall the consummation be assigned for desolation. And in the midst of the week shall he make the incense of sacrifice cease, and of the wing of destruction, even till the consummation, like the destruction of the oblation."

Douggg · Mar 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Are you using some of that public school "New Math" to claim He was not cut off "after" the end of the 69 weeks, as the text of the Bible says?

62 weeks (of years) unto messiah. That event. Which was Jesus arriving in Jerusalem hailed as the King of Israel, coming the name of the Lord, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9 as it says in the text.

Jesus was crucified 4 days later. unto 62 weeks and after 62 weeks - is essentially the same time, because the weeks are 7 years long. And 4 days in terms of weeks of years is 4 days / 7years x360 days per year = .00158730 weeks of years.

.00158730 weeks of years after 62 weeks of years.

That's the actual math.

You are completely distorting what it means after 62 weeks (of years) with the sarcasm. And not considering the amount 4 days is in terms of weeks of years.

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You do the math and you tell me what 4 days is in terms of weeks of years.

Douggg · Mar 30, 2021

jgr said:
"From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows:

Gabriel was speaking in Daniel 9 beginning in verse 22. v22-27 it is Gabriel speaking, not Daniel. Daniel recorded what Gabriel said, and passed everything along to them in his day. In that context, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

And Daniel did not have any vision in Daniel 9. The vision which Daniel first saw Gabriel in was in Daniel 8, which the time of the vision of little horn and the 2300 days is time of the end.

Which the 2300 days can only fit within the final 70th week (of years) - i.e. 2520 days long.

BABerean2 · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
You do the math and you tell me what 4 days is in terms of weeks of years.

Try that excuse with the IRS if you do not pay your taxes by the date of their deadline.

If the text says He was cut off "after" the 69 weeks of years, I do not have to do any calculations to understand He was cut off during the 70th week of years, nor would any other unbiased witness here.

I also do not have to pretend the Messiah's death in Daniel 9:26 is not connected to the New Covenant, as revealed by Hebrews 9:15, and Hebrews 12:22-24.

I do not have to ignore the time when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews, as revealed in Matthew 10:5-7, and Acts of the Apostles 10:36-38, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18.
I have done the math and know the approximate time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews , as revealed by Paul in Romans 1:16, and these other passages.

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Douggg · Mar 30, 2021

BABerean2 said:
If the text says He was cut off "after" the 69 weeks of years, I do not have to do any calculations to understand He was cut off during the 70th week of years, nor would any other unbiased witness here.

You are being misleading because you don't acknowledge what 4 days is in terms of weeks of years.

4 days is .00158730 weeks of years. The weeks of years are 7 years long. 4 days is negligible.

With 100% total correctness in hindsight, the intent of the verses in Daniel 9:25-26 is that the messiah arrives and will be immediately cutoff. And that's what happened.

BABerean2 said:
I have done the math and know the approximate time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews , as revealed by Paul in Romans 1:16, and these other passages.

It is relevant because the new covenant is not mentioned in Daniel 9 and neither is taking the gospel to the gentiles.

jeffweedaman · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
With 100% total correctness in hindsight, the intent of the verses in Daniel 9:25-26 is that the messiah arrives and will be immediately cutoff. And that's what happened.

That is not what happened. Jesus accomplished a great deal when he arrived to start his ministry at his anointing baptism. He did not immediately drown in the process of being anointed .
The anointed one had come to do his work of redemption and he accomplished everything expected of him.

jeffweedaman · Mar 30, 2021

jgr said:
Scripture is plain that Jesus was the first incorruptible resurrection.

Therefore Lazarus, whose resurrection pre-dated that of Jesus, was not an incorruptible resurrection.

Simple chronology.

Jesus had not yet risen to glory himself , so there is no way Laz could have attained a glorious body without the proper atonement of the anointed Messiah occurring at his first resurrection. Through Faith in his powerful work, this facilitates our blessed hope of a resurrection body like his at his coming.

Douggg · Mar 30, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
That is not what happened. Jesus accomplished a great deal when he arrived to start his ministry at his anointing baptism. He did not immediately drown in the process of being anointed .
The anointed one had come to do his work of redemption and he accomplished everything expected of him.

Yes, it is what happened. Of course, it is not all what happened in the gospels.

The 7 week and 62 weeks is not unto the messiah being anointed to start his ministry. anointed to start his ministry is not in the text.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Messiah the Prince is one who God chose to be the King of Israel.

Jesus rode into Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah, King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord. 4 days later rejected by his own, Jesus was crucified. Mark 15:32, Christ the King of Israel.

Daniel 9 does not refer to the messiah as the Savior to mankind for our sins. We certainly know that Jesus is the savior to mankind for our sins. But that is not what Daniel 9 is prophesying.

jgr · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
Gabriel was speaking in Daniel 9 beginning in verse 22. v22-27 it is Gabriel speaking, not Daniel. Daniel recorded what Gabriel said, and passed everything along to them in his day. In that context, spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

What do you think is the difference between what was spoken by Gabriel, and what was spoken by Daniel?

Douggg said:
And Daniel did not have any vision in Daniel 9. The vision which Daniel first saw Gabriel in was in Daniel 8, which the time of the vision of little horn and the 2300 days is time of the end.

Debunked by every past and present exegete on planet earth.

Oseas · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
What is your basis that the Jews are looking for a messiah who will claim to be God?

The Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens. GOD sent JESUS, His Son, the true Messiah, in fulfillment of His Word and promises, but the Jews rejected JESUS, worse, they believed not in Truth and crucified their own Messiah - JESUS. Well, they preferred Barabbas instead JESUS.

Well, now the day of revenge arrived, and GOD -the Word is GOD - will send His another son as messiah of the Jews, the son of perdition, a former Cherub, a former ruler of Eden, in fact the own Satan incarnate, the Dragon, the old Serpent called the Devil and Satan, but he will manifest himself before the Jews and the whole earth as a messiah, not far from these days. He was already born decades ago and lives among the Jewish people in the current time.

God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, and that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, who believed not in JESUS, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, i.e. His powerful Word, a sharp Sword, a rod of iron, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Ezekiel 28:v.9-10
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

jeffweedaman · Mar 30, 2021

Douggg said:
Daniel 9 does not refer to the messiah as the Savior to mankind for our sins. We certainly know that Jesus is the savior to mankind for our sins. But that is not what Daniel 9 is prophesying.

How can you say that?

What is Dan 9 talking about.

The 70th week would bring Atonement through his blood shed on the cross.....,

24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

Jesus is the only one who can accomplish this right??? One way Man can be saved and it all comes to fruition with his loving sacrifice and Holy of Holy credentials.

That clearly puts the 70th week in the past if you believe your sins have already been washed away clean and you can receive the gift of his Holy Spirit and everlasting righteousness that comes with him.

This takes 70 weeks , beginning with the decree to rebuild and restore after the babylonian period of 70 years.
It is Finished . You have been washed clean enough to receive the Holy Spirit today.

Nothing needs to be addressed in the future in regard to sin , transgression or iniquity or our righteousness in him.

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