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The problem is that evolutionary theory is not objective at all. All data is not only interpreted through a presupposition of naturalism, but a demand that all data is interpreted through naturalistic materialism.

Creationists look at the same data, but interpret that data differently.
Give us an example of a datum subject to those two different views.
 
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The 13,700,000,000 BC may be a close approximation but it's a heck of lot closer to reality than is the 4044 BC date.
I've used this before but...

When someone says that the planet is 6,000 years old and you compare that distance from pitcher to first base at Yankee Stadium then the actual distance is from the pitcher to second base...at the Dodgers Stadium.

The age being quoted is so monstrously ridiculous that it's not even wrong.
 
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I've used this before but...

When someone says that the planet is 6,000 years old and you compare that distance from pitcher to first base at Yankee Stadium then the actual distance is from the pitcher to second base...at the Dodgers Stadium.

The age being quoted is so monstrously ridiculous that it's not even wrong.
Before or after the Dodgers moved to Los Angeles? :)
 
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I've used this before but...

When someone says that the planet is 6,000 years old and you compare that distance from pitcher to first base at Yankee Stadium then the actual distance is from the pitcher to second base...at the Dodgers Stadium.

The age being quoted is so monstrously ridiculous that it's not even wrong.

What are you arguing for?
 
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It's worse, if my calculations are correct. The distance between the pitcher's mound and home plate is roughly 60 ft. It's a bit further to first base.

13,800,000,000 / 6000 = 2,300,000
2.3e6 * 60 = 138,000,000 ft
138,000,000 / 5280 = 26,136 miles which is more than one time around the earth at the equator.

60 ft vs. one time around the world at the equator.
 
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One has to be impressed that anyone could have
found the one true version of the one true religion.
considering the odds.

Even more impressive is to know more about
biology / paleontology than anyone who has spent
their lifetime in study....without ever lifting a finger!
You don't know the power of Satan, and how deceptive he can be.

Paul even warns against embracing evolution, saying it can lead to atheism.
 
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As if an eternity sans pain,suffering, sorrow, that is full of love and joy, is something to be feared.
You appear to be backing the explanation that you are no longer yourself. In which case it is not you getting eternal life, it is a facsimile of you. Very altruistic of you working so hard to get that reward for something else, but what's in it for you?
 
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Give us an example of a datum subject to those two different views.

Common biological functions are interpreted as originating from a common ancestor, back to a single cell, due to presupposition of naturalism, and won’t even consider the possibility of a common creator using economy of design.

This despite the fact that there is no feasible explanation of how life could go from a single celled organism that replicates via division, to sexual reproduction of multiple trillion celled animal life.

And there are no transitional forms between single cell and multiple trillion celled life - there are no two cell, fou cell, hundred cell, etc life forms.

A common creator fits the facts better than common descent.
 
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Common biological functions are interpreted as originating from a common ancestor, back to a single cell, due to presupposition of naturalism, and won’t even consider the possibility of a common creator using economy of design.

This despite the fact that there is no feasible explanation of how life could go from a single celled organism that replicates via division, to sexual reproduction of multiple trillion celled animal life.

And there are no transitional forms between single cell and multiple trillion celled life - there are no two cell, fou cell, hundred cell, etc life forms.

A common creator fits the facts better than common descent.

No transitional from single to multicellular?

You need to go back and take into to remedial
biology.

Meanwhile maybe not bother adults with such foolish
prattle.
 
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No transitional from single to multicellular?

You need to go back and take into to remedial
biology.

Meanwhile maybe not bother adults with such foolish
prattle.
The
Okay, genius, show me the transition form between single cells that split in two to reproduce, and hundred trillion cell life that uses sexual reproduction.
 
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Okay, genius, show me the transition form between single cells that split in two to reproduce, and hundred trillion cell life that uses sexual reproduction.

Aren't you going to tell me the fatal flaw in evolution? I dontbecpect to hear it, thst would take a genius.
Nothing special in intro biology tho. No genius needed. Average middle school will do.
Look for conjugation in paramecia for early sexual reproduction,
then try something like " evolution of multicellular organisms".

See how you do with those, before trying harder stuff.

The fatal flaw in evolution?
 
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