God’s Wrath Poured Out on Jesus on the Cross

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I never suggested anything different? Sinners have to humbly accept God's charity as charity.

Conditional Salvation is not the view that you make a one time conditional action but it refers to how you need to conditionally stay in Christ by continuing to accept His grace, and to live a holy life. Conditional Salvation is also referred to as Conditional Security.
 
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That is not the same. What a man speaks has a different responsibility than thoughts.

I respectfully disagree. What was one of the reasons why God destroyed the world with a global flood?

Genesis 6:5 says, “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and thatevery imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
 
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Obviously the laws on animal sacrifices and the priesthood have been fulfilled and they are no longer applicable. So if this is the case, then did the “Old Law” fail in Luke 16:17 seeing the “Old Law” on animal sacrifices and the priesthood has ended? Surely not. It was fulfilled (Matthew 5:18). Besides, you need to read the context that says: “The law and the prophets were until John:” (Luke 16:16).

But again, I am not expecting you to get it, and Titus 3:9 tells me to avoid strivings (quarrels) about the Law. So I am not going to endlessly debate this issue with you. Only God can reveal such a truth to you if you are open to it.

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For our other readers here, I believe Christians are to obey the commands that come from Jesus and His followers, and they are not to seek to be justified by the Law of Moses (i.e. the 613 Laws).

“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.” (Acts of the Apostles 13:39).​

For things like the Saturday Sabbath, circumicsion, and dietary laws have ended in the New Covenant (See: Colossians 2:14-17).

Interesting, but Luke 16:16 does not say God's laws has been abolished. That seems to be your own interpretation. If you go to the very next verse, it clearly state Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. As far as I know both heaven and earth are still here.

Yes, ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross, not God's moral laws that we are told are eternal. You are confusing the law of Moses i.e. 613 with God's Ten that are eternal.

God's LAW was written and made by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and nothing was to be added to it. (God's LAW; Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4; Exodus 20; Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 10:4 Ecc 3:14; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5)

It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment, because God was the one alone who made it and commanded Moses to keep in separated from the book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Neh 10:29; Deut 10:4-5; Deut 31:25-26; Deut 4:13; Ex 34:28)

God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it and it was to be separated from the Mosaic book of the law. That is why it is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments (not the 613).

The Mosaic law was made and written and spoken by Moses as directed by God in the book of the covenant. (Mosaic Book of the law; Deut 31:9; Ex 24:3-4; Deut 31:24-27; Col 2:14-17).

God not only commanded Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the Mosaic book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Deut 10:5; 31:25-26;) nothing was to be added to it (Deut 4:1-2; Deut 5:22)

God makes a distinction between the 10 Commandments and the book of the law of Moses….

2 Kings 21:8, Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it (Matt 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly (1 Tim 1:8), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
 
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Conditional Salvation is not the view that you make a one time conditional action but it refers to how you need to conditionally stay in Christ by continuing to accept His grace, and to live a holy life. Conditional Salvation is also referred to as Conditional Security.
The "condition" for keeping you deed to a home in heaven (your birthright) is for you not to give it away like Esau did.
 
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The "condition" for keeping you deed to a home in heaven (your birthright) is for you not to give it away like Esau did.

Sin can cause a believer to die spiritually. Scripture is chocked full of warnings about this. Only those who don't want to see such warnings will be unable to see them.
 
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Sin can cause a believer to die spiritually. Scripture is chocked full of warnings about this. Only those who don't want to see such warnings will be unable to see them.
Tell me this: when you Go before God on Judgement day will you say: "God, I completed your task set before me?" or will you fall on your face begging for mercy, because you were a poor example of being like Christ on earth?

I have known and know some Christ like people (giants in the Kingdom) and we can read of Peter and Paul, so anything less is falling short.
 
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I respectfully disagree. What was one of the reasons why God destroyed the world with a global flood?

Genesis 6:5 says, “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and thatevery imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
I assure you God didn’t destroy the whole world because the people of Noah’s day merely had bad thoughts but were otherwise kind, gentle and loving people.
 
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If a person calling themselves “Christian” is not forgiving others, they are either severely quenching the indwelling Spirit or they do not have the Spirit. If they are quenching the Spirit they need to repent, come to their senses, accept help and forgiveness of this sin.

I am not going to jump on a “Christian” and tell them they are hell bound, because they have not repented, because unfortunately I have a blank in my own eye, but I might ask if we could help each other with our sin problem.

If I am not forgiving others, it is a clear sign of a much bigger sin problem of “I am not Loving others” and I am being selfish. I need to remember how much I have been forgiven of.
You didn’t answer my question so I ask it again. For you, if YOU find you are not forgiving others, do YOU admit to YOU that YOUR sins are NO LONGER forgiven, applying your own theology to you, and YOU are in danger of hell because YOU are no longer receiving and therefore having forgiveness of your sins and they REMAIN held against you?
 
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You didn’t answer my question so I ask it again. For you, if YOU find you are not forgiving others, do YOU admit to YOU that YOUR sins are NO LONGER forgiven, applying your own theology to you, and YOU are in danger of hell because YOU are no longer receiving and therefore having forgiveness of your sins and they REMAIN held against you?
Yes, but it is not my forgiving of others which oblicates God to forgive me.
 
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I assure you God didn’t destroy the whole world because the people of Noah’s day merely had bad thoughts but were otherwise kind, gentle and loving people.

Did you read Genesis 6 and check the verse in it's context? My guess is that you didn't. For it is written:

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.” (Genesis 6:5-7).
 
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You didn’t answer my question so I ask it again. For you, if YOU find you are not forgiving others, do YOU admit to YOU that YOUR sins are NO LONGER forgiven, applying your own theology to you, and YOU are in danger of hell because YOU are no longer receiving and therefore having forgiveness of your sins and they REMAIN held against you?

1 John 1:9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Galatians 5:16 says, “...Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
 
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Yes, but it is not my forgiving of others which oblicates God to forgive me.
If you refuse to forgive other people, will He refuse to forgive you?

Jesus actually said we should ask him to forgive us just like we forgive others. Don’t we lay this condition upon us to be forgiven?
 
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1 John 1:9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Galatians 5:16 says, “...Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
If you refuse to forgive others will He refuse to forgive you?
 
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Did you read Genesis 6 and check the verse in it's context? My guess is that you didn't. For it is written:

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.” (Genesis 6:5-7).
So you think God destroyed nice and kind people who had a history of bad thoughts? Yes or no
 
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I understand, and I did not mean to offend.

May God bless you.
You didn’t offend. Your posts lack holiness. Offending is merely against the personal tastes of a reader. Your posts were of such wording that they dirtied any mind.
 
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If you refuse to forgive other people, will He refuse to forgive you?

Jesus actually said we should ask him to forgive us just like we forgive others. Don’t we lay this condition upon us to be forgiven?
It is a blessing to know the significance of forgiving others. God forgave us first.
 
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It is a blessing to know the significance of forgiving others. God forgave us first.
So you refuse to answer. I’m sorry to read it. There is a blessing given to those who embrace the truth. Those who refuse it, what light they have is diminished. The Bereans adjusted their thinking according to the Word actually says.
 
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So you refuse to answer. I’m sorry to read it. There is a blessing given to those who embrace the truth. Those who refuse it, what light they have is diminished. The Bereans adjusted their thinking according to the Word actually says.
The "condition" laid upon us is to first humbly accept God's forgiveness as pure charity and if we do then we have the much love needed to forgive others, that Love should compel us to forgive others. Do you not see God first Loving us and forgivening us?
 
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