What if we aren't in the End?

I very much doubt we are in the end times. How? Because, scripture is always being misinterpreted and misunderstood.

And, it shouldn't affect you one bit.

Trust in God every day.

No (doesnt affect our life as Christians). All Christians have pretty much believed they are in the end times, even in the Bible they say they are. Early in my Christian life I was taught that you should live your life as if Jesus was coming back tomorrow but plan for the future as if you will die of old age. A sound approach.

We are from birth in the end times. We get a few decades and then we end. The time for our end time is therefore soon. We should never act in any way other than we would if we knew the end was within the next few seconds because in relation to eternity it virtually is.

We are always to keep our lamps full of oil. We've been in the end times since Jesus ascended to heaven, one day He will return since He said He would. He also said no man knows the day or the hour. So my suggestion is invest in His refined gold so that your heavenly rewards are many and rich and meaningful and be about your Christian walk.

Ya know, regardless of His return date we don't even know our own expiration day !! So we should be ready, which is the whole point of what I wrote above anyway.

Thomas White said:

Suppose for a moment that the End is not near, at least not as near as we consider the term.

Would that at all affect our roles as Christians?

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I thought we were close 35 years ago. I went to work and saved for retirement. I'll keep watching and waiting for our Blessed Hope

Thomas White said:

Suppose for a moment that the End is not near, at least not as near as we consider the term.

Would that at all affect our roles as Christians?

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1. We are living in the end times.

2. Occupy till Jesus comes.

Luke 13:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

3. Direct your life for the day you will leave this world, accountable to God. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

4. Live responsibly in all aspects for the stage of life you are presently in.

What did Peter say on the Day of Pentecost?

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Peter said the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost was a sign of the last days.
We will be in those days until His Second Coming.
We need to quit guessing when He will return and continue to spread the Gospel of the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood at Calvary.


The New Covenant: Bob George

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Can there be more than one last days? Yes, if they also involve the end of the age. An example of the last days for the Jews happened at the time of the Roman invasion and destruction of the temple. It was the end of their national identity in the holy land, and reaffirmed by the second failed uprising in 132-35 AD. There will also be the last days for the Jews at the end of the age as spoken by Jacob in Gen 49.

Looking at the vision of Zechariah (4:1-14) from a historical viewpoint, the first tree represents the state of Judah existing from the time of returning from Babylon up until the Roman occupation. The seven lamped menorah represents the Jewish dispersion or diaspora, and the second tree represents the new state of Israel established in 1948 (or perhaps 1917 with the Balfour Declaration) existing up until Christ's second coming at the end of the age. The last days apply to each tree, or the end of each tree.

We are definitely in the last days of the Age of Grace - but the end times depends on how it is defined. For Christians, it could mean that there is nothing more to expect prophetically than the second coming of Christ to judge the living and dead - otherwise we are only at some point in the last days. We do have much prophecy about the last days describing the 10-horned beast, the false prophet, the antichrist, the seven seals, seven trumpets, the seven bowls, etc., but no obvious identifications as of yet.

Kenneth Heck said:

We do have much prophecy about the last days describing the 10-horned beast, the false prophet, the antichrist, the seven seals, seven trumpets, the seven bowls, etc., but no obvious identifications as of yet.

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I agree regarding the identifications. But I think we are close, which the ten leaders of Daniel 7 can be identified and the little horn person.

I think the most constructive thing we can do is watch. In particular the EU.

Thomas White said:

Suppose for a moment that the End is not near, at least not as near as we consider the term.

Would that at all affect our roles as Christians?

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The end of what, exactly?

Douggg said:

I think the most constructive thing we can to is watch. In particular the EU.

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While the USA is coming down, devaluating dollar, in almost another civic war, hating each other and confused about the role of men and women, 70% of adults is overweight or obese, Christianity is sold as a prosperity pill, under the tyranny of feminism... yeah, watch the EU, EU is the problem of the future.

There are alternatives to the EU point of view. For those interested I have uploaded my personal viewpoint below.

Kenneth Heck said:

There are alternatives to the EU point of view. For those interested I have uploaded my personal viewpoint below.

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Kenneth, could you repost with a link, and not an attachment (for security reasons) ? I don't like clicking on "attachments". Or copy and paste the image from a picture file in your computer - so it appears directly as an image in your post - like I do in my posts? That's what I do.

myst33 said:

While the USA is coming down, devaluating dollar, in almost another civic war, hating each other and confused about the role of men and women, 70% of adults is overweight or obese, Christianity is sold as a prosperity pill, under the tyranny of feminism... yeah, watch the EU, EU is the problem of the future.

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I see you are from the Czech Republic. And may be taking it personal.

When the EU becomes that kingdom of the beast, it likely that the United States and Canada, reduced to a lesser role, will be allied with the EU - but the EU will be calling the shots at that time.

No matter where a Christian lives, Jesus has promised Christians to a way to escape those times, i.e. the rapture.

Douggg said:

I see you are from the Czech Republic. And may be taking it personal.

When the EU becomes that kingdom of the beast, it likely that the United States and Canada, reduced to a lesser role, will be allied with the EU - but the EU will be calling the shots at that time.

No matter where a Christian lives, Jesus has promised Christians to a way to escape those times, i.e. the rapture.

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What beast do you have in mind? Why do you think that the socialistic and very democratic EU (member states can even vote themselves out from the EU, try that in the USA) whose future seems to be based on massive immigration, because white Europeans do not want children anymore, will ever play some dominant role in the world's dominance, when there is Russia or China, India with population explosion?

Yes, USA will fall very quickly (I wonder if there will be USA in 20 years from now), if Americans do not change their behavior, but EU is not in the position to take over. The mindset of EU is more about comfortable socialized life, not about wars or dominance over others. Peace is even the reason the EU was created in the first place.

Also, the feminism, emotionalism, racial oversensitivity and hatred towards whites and males from the USA is spreading to the western parts of the EU too, so there is no reason to think that when the USA will fall, the EU will take the place. EU will be in similar troubles. Only stable, patriarchal countries with monolithic/united inhabitants will be able to stand up to the chaos - China, India. The future is Asian (or maybe also Eastern European, but there is no economic strength, there).

myst33 said:

What beast do you have in mind?

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The arch villain of the end times goes through a series of functional roles on the way to his end.

little horn>Antichrist>beast

king of the Roman Empire>king of Israel>king of the Roman Empire




Starts as the little horn, leader of the EU. Over the other ten leaders of the EU.

Then following Gog/Magog, is the Prince who shall come (the little horn into the middleast and Israel), who will be perceived by the Jews/Israel as the messiah and anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name. The Antichrist.

Then he betrays the Jews/Israel by claiming to be God. Ending his time as the Antichrist.

He will be killed, brought back to life, as the beast (rejected by the Jews/Israel) - which the ten EU leaders will hand the EU over to him to become "dictator" of the EU. Adolph Hitler had such aspirations to be the fuehrer of Europe - of course it is not Hitler, but someone with similar ego.

myst33 said:

Also, the feminism, emotionalism, racial oversensitivity and hatred towards whites and males from the USA is spreading to the western parts of the EU too, so there is no reason to think that when the USA will fall, the EU will take the place. EU will be in similar troubles. Only stable, patriarchal countries with monolithic/united inhabitants will be able to stand up to the chaos - China, India. The future is Asian (or maybe also Eastern European, but there is no economic strength, there).

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The EU is currently not the kingdom of the beast. That has to develop later on, in stages.


On the way to that eventual end, from what the EU is now - and this is my own personal opinion, but I think it will be economic crisis that will be the reason for a ten leaders structure of the EU with one leader over the ten.

The economic conditions in Europe lead to Hitler's intial rise to power in Germany, did it not?

Which the rise of the little horn person "may" be by similar circumstances. It is my guess. It remains to be seen.

I remember being in the end over 40 years ago. Being told with dead certainty that "the stage is set". End time prophesy was being fulfilled before our very eyes. I had my doubts. Then over 30 years ago I found a book left on my doorstep titled 88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988 (on Sept 11 no less), written by someone who died 20 years ago. Then over 20 years ago... well you know.

MMXX said:

I remember being in the end over 40 years ago. Being told with dead certainty that "the stage is set". End time prophesy was being fulfilled before our very eyes. I had my doubts. Then over 30 years ago I found a book left on my doorstep titled 88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988 (on Sept 11 no less), written by someone who died 20 years ago. Then over 20 years ago... well you know.

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Here is a good verse to keep in mind...

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.