God’s Wrath Poured Out on Jesus on the Cross

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He said "punishing an innocent person is immoral", etc...

And that is man's judgement against God, or a God, or a/the way that was considered right and moral or righteous to the gods, etc...

God Bless!
Only if God did that which He didn’t despite the fact that some think He did. That’s the point. zone can disagree with another man’s theology and not be disagreeing with God necessarily.
 
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The only reason YHWH might have been angry with Jesus personally, and not just for and/or because of us, and our sin, etc, would only be if he (Jesus) was saying/preaching/teaching that there was a higher God than Him (YHWH), etc...

But even if He (YHWH) ever even was, etc, or even if he (Jesus) even ever really did, etc, He (YHWH) knew that he (Jesus) was not he himself ever guilty of any kind of sin himself at all whatsoever, etc, and not even for "that sin" even, etc, in any kind of way or shape or form at all ever, etc...

And I think that after He (YHWH) saw this, and saw "His Son" in Jesus finally, etc, that it was then, that He (YHWH) decided to put away His anger (against all, etc) and forgive him (Jesus), and forgive us, etc, and then resurrect him (Jesus), etc, and give Jesus "everything", etc, even taking a "even position with him" even (Jesus), etc...

God Bless!
I’m not a Hebrew so YWH letters have no meaning for me. Christians use words Jesus taught us to use when referring to God.
 
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Information is not our enemy. Do you not read the Bible because it is too long?
Have you never read long Christian articles before?
Have you never owned a Christian book before?
If somebody gave you a long reply on how to fix your car or house, would you tell the person helping you to give a more shortened reply? Surely not.



Things are not as we wish them to be. So what do you make of Luke 10:25-28 and Matthew 19:17?
You don’t supply information. Your posts are nothing like the Bible. It’s rather unusual to think your words are on the level of scripture such that believers are inspired by them.

I’ll look up the verses later.
 
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I don't understand what you mean by “seeing her.” Are you saying that it is okay for a man to look upon a woman with lustful thoughts outside of marriage?
No but again the important word is intention, not look.
 
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You don’t supply information. Your posts are nothing like the Bible. It’s rather unusual to think your words are on the level of scripture such that believers are inspired by them.

What I said lines up with what Scripture says (Unless you can prove otherwise with Scripture). All I am doing is just relaying to you what the Bible plainly says.
But many today have a hard time accepting many parts of the Bible (because it does not line up with what they want it to say).

You said:
I’ll look up the verses later.

I appreciate that.
 
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No but again the important word is intention, not look.

Then why do you appear to disagree with me on Matthew 5:28-30?
We should be in agreement that a man lusting after a woman who is not their wife is what Jesus was referring to.
 
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My purpose in life is to know God and make Him known, that is understand God and explain Him as asked.

It is a lofty and admirable thing indeed. I always come back to 1 John 2:3-4 when it comes to this truth, though. I hope you are in agreement with the truth in these verses.
 
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I understand but that is what Bible H said, not me. There’s a difference between “to look upon with intent” and merely to “look upon” like seeing.

I responded to your post, not Bible H. You wrote "Men cannot help seeing women in their day. If they see an old lady crossing the street they have indeed looked upon her. That’s not lust and not a sin even though they indeed look upon her. If a pretty woman dresses to allure men walks across the street and he has to “look upon her” or he’d run her over, that’s still not sin."
 
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It is a lofty and admirable thing indeed. I always come back to 1 John 2:3-4 when it comes to this truth, though. I hope you are in agreement with the truth in these verses.
I agree which includes all Ten, not nine out of Ten. Exodus 34:28 written in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant.

God bless
 
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I agree which includes all Ten, not nine out of Ten. Exodus 34:28 written in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant.

God bless

I am not going to get into it with you over how you believe we must keep the Saturday Sabbath. That's not my cup of tea. I am a New Covenant believer and not an Old Covenant believer. For me the New Testament (New Covenant) is clear that such ordinances have been nailed to the cross (See again prayerfully: Colossians 2:14-17). But we can agree to disagree. This is not the place to argue such a thing (even if I was interested, of which I am not).

Anyways, peace and blessings be unto you in the Lord.
 
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Then why do you appear to disagree with me on Matthew 5:28-30?
We should be in agreement that a man lusting after a woman who is not their wife is what Jesus was referring to.
Because you don’t understand the difference between intending to stir up lust and attraction sprinting up unbidden.
 
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It is a lofty and admirable thing indeed. I always come back to 1 John 2:3-4 when it comes to this truth, though. I hope you are in agreement with the truth in these verses.
Absolutely. For those who keep
his teaching, the Father will love and they will make their abode in that one. The question hangs on whether they see one as keeping his teaching or not, not whether we think we do.
 
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“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

Could you please please explain more
About he himself bore our sins in his body on the cross,

Is that slang word? Or what is it. Not well my education from my school.
 
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What I said lines up with what Scripture says (Unless you can prove otherwise with Scripture). All I am doing is just relaying to you what the Bible plainly says.
But many today have a hard time accepting many parts of the Bible (because it does not line up with what they want it to say).
You often “Gish” out pages of scriptures as though that is your position. I try to tell you that Jesus said that INTENTION to look at a woman in order to lust is not the same as looking at a woman even if lust arises unbidden and you still don’t see the difference. Ergo you post scripture thinking your position is exactly the same but are not open to learning where it is not. It makes discussion difficult.
I appreciate that.
I did. Do you claim those verses personally describe you? Are there areas that they do not?
 
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I responded to your post, not Bible H. You wrote "Men cannot help seeing women in their day. If they see an old lady crossing the street they have indeed looked upon her. That’s not lust and not a sin even though they indeed look upon her. If a pretty woman dresses to allure men walks across the street and he has to “look upon her” or he’d run her over, that’s still not sin."
Ok, and your point, please? What I wrote is true. It’s not something I can speak on with authority not being a man though. But I’ve heard men of God discuss the scripture and the difference between intent to stir up and unbidden lust.
 
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This makes no sense. The implication is gawking. Just seeing an old lady crossing the street is not what the Bible is talking about.
Gawking is looking for a long time. My impression from men is that a long time is not necessary for impure desires to spring up suddenly unbidden.
 
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I would love for you to read some of my earlier posts and comment, but think about this for a moment:
If Christ "paid" 100% for our sins, what is left for God to forgive and if God forgave us 100% what is left to pay?
God and Christ did allow wicked people to torture, humiliate and murder Christ, but that is not God pouring His rath on Christ.
Why did Jesus tell his apostles that unless they forgive others who do them wrong, they won’t be forgiven their own sins in the future then?
 
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I am not going to get into it with you over how you believe we must keep the Saturday Sabbath. That's not my cup of tea. I am a New Covenant believer and not an Old Covenant believer. For me the New Testament (New Covenant) is clear that such ordinances have been nailed to the cross (See again prayerfully: Colossians 2:14-17). But we can agree to disagree. This is not the place to argue such a thing (even if I was interested, of which I am not).

Anyways, peace and blessings be unto you in the Lord.
Hi there,

I am a New Covenant believer as well. God’s first covenant was the Ten, in the New Covenant His laws (the Ten) are written in our hearts and minds. God did not transfer nine out of the Ten, He wrote His laws (all) in our hearts and minds. Same laws new promises. I would find it very strange He would write all His laws except the only commandment He started with “Remember” and that is the one commandment we are supposed to forget. His covenant cannot be broken according to scripture:

“It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail” (Luke 16:17).
“My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips” (Psalm 89:34).
“All His precepts [commandments] are sure. They stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:7, 8).

The scriptures you reference requires our full obedience. There is no scripture in the entire Bible that says God’s Holy Sabbath, He told us was a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16, has been abolished and the new Holy day is now Sunday. This is a teaching of man and one Jesus warns us about. Mathew 15:3-8. Colossians 2 that you reference is not about God’s Holy Sabbath and you would know that by reading the scriptures above how His covenant can not be broken. If you read Colossians in its proper context it is all about food and drink which references the yearly Sabbath(s) festivals in Leviticus 23, not God’s weekly Sabbath that is eternal made from creation Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11 which is why Sabbath continues on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 because it is God’s chosen holy day, not the one changed by man.

All the early scholars knows the Sabbath day never changed. The Roman Catholic Church wants you to know if you go to church on Sunday you are not obeying a commandment of God, but a commandment of the Catholic Church.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found: Not in the New Testament – absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.
—Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the ‘Baptist Manual’.

I hope you consider this in prayer and when quoting the importance of obeying God. It really means all of His laws.

God bless!
 
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Hi there,

I am a New Covenant believer as well. God’s first covenant was the Ten, in the New Covenant His laws (the Ten) are written in our hearts and minds. God did not transfer nine out of the Ten, He wrote His laws (all) in our hearts and minds. Same laws new promises. I would find it very strange He would write all His laws except the only commandment He started with “Remember” and that is the one commandment we are supposed to forget. His covenant cannot be broken according to scripture:

“It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail” (Luke 16:17).
“My covenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips” (Psalm 89:34).
“All His precepts [commandments] are sure. They stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:7, 8).

The scriptures you reference requires our full obedience. There is no scripture in the entire Bible that says God’s Holy Sabbath, He told us was a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16, has been abolished and the new Holy day is now Sunday. This is a teaching of man and one Jesus warns us about. Mathew 15:3-8. Colossians 2 that you reference is not about God’s Holy Sabbath and you would know that by reading the scriptures above how His covenant can not be broken. If you read Colossians in its proper context it is all about food and drink which references the yearly Sabbath(s) festivals in Leviticus 23, not God’s weekly Sabbath that is eternal made from creation Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:8-11 which is why Sabbath continues on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 because it is God’s chosen holy day, not the one changed by man.

All the early scholars knows the Sabbath day never changed. The Roman Catholic Church wants you to know if you go to church on Sunday you are not obeying a commandment of God, but a commandment of the Catholic Church.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

There was and is a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found: Not in the New Testament – absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.
—Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the ‘Baptist Manual’.

I hope you consider this in prayer and when quoting the importance of obeying God. It really means all of His laws.

God bless!

I did not read your post. Why? Please carefully read post #670.
 
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