Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp Signs Election Integrity Bill

KCfromNC · Mar 28, 2021

hislegacy said:
Absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt inaccurate.

Interesting assertion. Too bad it runs counter to reality :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...blicans-tried-to-disenfranchise-black-voters/

I'd bother to look up other cases, but when I have in the past they've just been ignored. Fool me once, ...

Ringo84 · Mar 28, 2021

Even Lindsey Graham is having trouble squaring the "no food and drink for people standing in line to vote" aspect of this bill. Lindsey. Graham.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1376170459100803076

Not that I'm any fan of Lindsey by any means, but when even he can't reconcile that with common sense, well...."the cruelty is the point".
Ringo

Kentonio · Mar 28, 2021

hislegacy said:
We were not talking about people who lived in cities you might be shocked to learn.

Considering I was primarily talking about rural communities, no I wouldn't be shocked.

I also noticed you completely ignored the rest of the list.

I was trying to do you the kindness of not pointing out that your post was irrelevant there too. You listed a lot of purposes that require often quite different IDs. Not all of those IDs are accepted for voting under the proposals put forward by various Republican controlled states over the years. Which is why its a problem. And a deliberately created one, designed to cause a particular outcome. You should read the link I posted earlier.

Aldebaran · Mar 28, 2021

Tiberius Lee said:
Cutting voting hours from 12 hours to 10 hours doesn’t make voting more secure. Cutting how many days in early you can vote or not doesn’t make voting more secure. Reducing drop box doesn’t make it more secure. You know what it doesn’t? it makes it harder to vote. i wonder why a political party would make voting harder!

If they can vote within 12 hours, they can do it in 10, and that's on election day in addition to the early days, in addition to absentee voting options.

Aldebaran · Mar 28, 2021

Eight Foot Manchild said:
I wonder if these Republicans have ever considered adopting policies that don’t suck, and are popular with voters, rather than making it harder for the populous to vote?

Seems like that would be an easier path to victory than engaging in voter suppression, but maybe I’m asking too much.

Show up at the poll, show your ID, cast your vote.
What "sucks" about that?

RocksInMyHead · Mar 28, 2021

Aldebaran said:
If they can vote within 12 hours, they can do it in 10,

That's...not how that works.

and that's on election day in addition to the early days, in addition to absentee voting options.

Which are also being curtailed and/or having additional restrictions placed upon them.

Aldebaran · Mar 28, 2021

RocksInMyHead said:
That's...not how that works.

Does it take an entire 12 hours to fill in the little oval next to a candidate's name?

RocksInMyHead said:
Which are also being curtailed and/or having additional restrictions placed upon them.

They would need to be if the rules to keep the election secure hadn't been done away with in the first place. We need common sense election reform.

RocksInMyHead · Mar 28, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Does it take an entire 12 hours to fill in the little oval next to a candidate's name?

Is everyone able to make it to the polls within the ten hours that they will be open? Unless you can show that either no one voted during the two hours that are being removed or that everyone who did vote during those hours could have voted at another time, your "if they can vote in 12 hours, they can vote in 10" statement is completely unfounded.

They would need to be if the rules to keep the election secure hadn't been done away with in the first place. We need common sense election reform.

Which rules would those be? And if we need "common sense" reform, why not enact it? Why the vindictiveness?

Eight Foot Manchild · Mar 28, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Show up at the poll, show your ID, cast your vote.
What "sucks" about that?

Disenfranchising people sucks.

Slap as much lipstick on this pig as you want, but anyone with so much as a functioning brainstem will still see through it. There is only one reason to curtail vote by mail, early voting, and polling locations and hours, and that is when you know you can't survive an election without disenfranchising people. There is zero evidence of mass voter fraud, so protecting "integrity" isn't an argument.

Good news, though. I have a free market solution to Republican politician's chronic electile dysfunction that doesn't involve the kind of weaselly tactics you're only supposed to see in third world countries. Here it is:

Stop having garbage policies that no one wants to vote for. There are a bunch of them out there in the marketplace of ideas. Shop around. Compare prices.

Or, get out of politics and contribute something useful to society, like flipping burgers or sex work.

Yttrium · Mar 28, 2021

I can understand wanting to restrict the solicitation of votes, but using that as an excuse to prevent any food and water being passed out to people waiting in lines seems a tad sadistic.

But it sure sounds to me like Georgia is opting out of the next presidential election, by allowing anyone to challenge the voting credentials of anyone else. Tying everything up in the courts indefinitely isn't going to work out well during an election.

Vylo · Mar 28, 2021

hislegacy · Mar 28, 2021

Kentonio said:
I was trying to do you the kindness of not pointing out that your post was irrelevant there too. You listed a lot of purposes that require often quite different IDs. Not all of those IDs are accepted for voting under the proposals put forward by various Republican

Not irrelevant at all (perhaps inconvenient to your reasoning), but not irrelevant.

I'll cut you a little slack because I don't know if you are an expat or if you have ever been in the US - you have yourself in Paris according to your info.

Each of the items I quoted:

Get a drivers license
Rent a hotel room
Apply for food stamps
Apply for housing assistance
Rent a car
Fly on an airplane
Get auto insurance
Rent an apartment
Purchase a house
Purchase beer
Purchase decongestants at stores
Purchase spray paint
To get a job
To file for unemployment
To file for welfare

Are accomplished with a state issued ID. To say that a specific people group (usually the poor or a minority group is mentioned), cannot obtain a state ID is equivalent to saying that self same group has never been able to do any of those things listed.

Of which I don't believe any sensible person would believe, that is why the left doesn't ever address that inconvenient truth.

What the Republicans are promoting is integrity in the election process, being able to prove who you are and eliminating or greatly reducing multiple ballots or people not qualified to vote voting.

I fully support mail in voting with one security method in place. They must be requested by an individual, then the ballot is sent to them specifically and they can provide identification on the ballot that has their name on it.

That is how absentee ballots are currently done. All that would need to be done is to allow health concerns as a reason to vote by absentee ballot.

hislegacy · Mar 28, 2021

Eight Foot Manchild said:
Disenfranchising people sucks.

Slap as much lipstick on this pig as you want, but anyone with so much as a functioning brainstem will still see through it. There is only one reason to curtail vote by mail, early voting, and polling locations and hours, and that is when you know you can't survive an election without disenfranchising people. There is zero evidence of mass voter fraud, so protecting "integrity" isn't an argument.

Good news, though. I have a free market solution to Republican politician's chronic electile dysfunction that doesn't involve the kind of weaselly tactics you're only supposed to see in third world countries. Here it is:

Stop having garbage policies that no one wants to vote for. There are a bunch of them out there in the marketplace of ideas. Shop around. Compare prices.

Or, get out of politics and contribute something useful to society, like flipping burgers or sex work.

Emphasis mine -

Every time a complete people group is insulted and verbally demeaned, it disenfranchises them from the conversation being held. If you truly believe that disenfranchising stinks - don't insult and demean a political party you disagree with and disenfranchise them

If we want to have an open conversation, both sides of the issue have to be heard.

Eight Foot Manchild · Mar 28, 2021

hislegacy said:
Emphasis mine -

Every time a complete people group is insulted and verbally demeaned, it disenfranchises them from the conversation being held. If you truly believe that disenfranchising stinks - don't insult and demean a political party you disagree with and disenfranchise them

Um. No. Whether your politics are demeaned or not, you can still vote. You've not been disenfranchised. Maybe if I was someone in power, with any degree of influence, you'd have a point.

hislegacy said:
If we want to have an open conversation, both sides of the issue have to be heard.

"Both sides" in this case would mean me on one side, and people in favor of voter suppression on the other. What makes you think I have the slightest interest in having a discussion with such people?

Kentonio · Mar 28, 2021

hislegacy said:
Not irrelevant at all (perhaps inconvenient to your reasoning), but not irrelevant.

I'll cut you a little slack because I don't know if you are an expat or if you have ever been in the US - you have yourself in Paris according to your info.

Each of the items I quoted:

Get a drivers license
Rent a hotel room
Apply for food stamps
Apply for housing assistance
Rent a car
Fly on an airplane
Get auto insurance
Rent an apartment
Purchase a house
Purchase beer
Purchase decongestants at stores
Purchase spray paint
To get a job
To file for unemployment
To file for welfare

Are accomplished with a state issued ID. To say that a specific people group (usually the poor or a minority group is mentioned), cannot obtain a state ID is equivalent to saying that self same group has never been able to do any of those things listed.

Of which I don't believe any sensible person would believe, that is why the left doesn't ever address that inconvenient truth.

What the Republicans are promoting is integrity in the election process, being able to prove who you are and eliminating or greatly reducing multiple ballots or people not qualified to vote voting.

I fully support mail in voting with one security method in place. They must be requested by an individual, then the ballot is sent to them specifically and they can provide identification on the ballot that has their name on it.

That is how absentee ballots are currently done. All that would need to be done is to allow health concerns as a reason to vote by absentee ballot.

Various things on that list can be achieved with specific id. For example in Mass you can buy beer if you have a liquor identification card from the state.

People do indeed have various forms of ID and I haven't seen anyone claiming otherwise so I don't know why you're bothering constructing this strawman. The issue with number of the harsher Republican proposals is that they demanded very specific forms of Photo ID that lots of people don't have and which were difficult for poor people to get due to either financial or travel difficulties.

I'm sure you're not one of those Republicans who actually want to stop people voting though, so I assume you'd wholeheartedly support say a national photo ID card that was free to all citizens and allowed you to vote in any state you happened to live?

Gene2memE · Mar 28, 2021

Here's a proposal:

Voting and buying a gun in the US should be equally as difficult/easy.

Discuss.

Aldebaran · Mar 28, 2021

Eight Foot Manchild said:
Disenfranchising people sucks.

Slap as much lipstick on this pig as you want, but anyone with so much as a functioning brainstem will still see through it. There is only one reason to curtail vote by mail, early voting, and polling locations and hours, and that is when you know you can't survive an election without disenfranchising people. There is zero evidence of mass voter fraud, so protecting "integrity" isn't an argument.

Good news, though. I have a free market solution to Republican politician's chronic electile dysfunction that doesn't involve the kind of weaselly tactics you're only supposed to see in third world countries. Here it is:

Stop having garbage policies that no one wants to vote for. There are a bunch of them out there in the marketplace of ideas. Shop around. Compare prices.

Or, get out of politics and contribute something useful to society, like flipping burgers or sex work.

What could be more disenfranchising as having your vote flipped to the opposite candidate, or discovering poll workers accepting suitcases of ballots that are all for the exact same candidate after election observers are sent home?

Eight Foot Manchild · Mar 28, 2021

Aldebaran said:
What could be more disenfranchising as having your vote flipped to the opposite candidate, or discovering poll workers accepting suitcases of ballots that are all for the exact same candidate after election observers are sent home?

Or having aliens come down from space and abduct you before you can get to the polls?

Or having the purple ghost of Prince haunt you into not voting?

If you're going to make stuff up, at least be creative.

Aldebaran · Mar 28, 2021

Eight Foot Manchild said:
Or having aliens come down from space and abduct you before you can get to the polls?

Or having the purple ghost of Prince haunt you into not voting?

If you're going to make stuff up, at least be creative.

Take your own advice.

Eight Foot Manchild · Mar 28, 2021

Aldebaran said:
Take your own advice.

Or here's a better idea - prove it in court.

Oh, sorry. I forgot. Your loser president has been thrown out of court 60+ times, including by the Supreme Court that he personally tried to stack. What a losing loser.

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