Is someone who takes up their cross daily essentially keeping the Sabbath holy every single day?

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Note: this is a long question that I came up with after an eureka moment in which I connected a few dots, so please bear with me

About self-denial and the taking up of one's cross

One of the core principles that Jesus taught during his ministry was the denial of self in favor of God's will. And he certainly showed us how by way of example, as even the night before his imminent crucifixion, when the temptation to abandon ship had to be almost unbearable, he said:

[...] “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” [Luke 22:42 ESV]​

And his spoken teaching to the disciples was no different:

23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. 25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? [Luke 9:23-25 ESV]​

This same principle of self-denial and taking up of one's cross is reinforced and expanded upon by Paul in his letter to the Galatians, in which he corrected their views regarding the Law:

19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. [Galatians 2:19-21 ESV]​

And the most enlightening expansion of the self-denial principle in my opinion is found in chapter 5. Here Paul teaches us what the denial of the self actually means in concrete terms: we are to die to the flesh and its desires, and instead live, walk and be led by the Spirit, so that we can manifest its fruit:

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

[Galatians 5:13-23 ESV]​

Back to the Sabbath and the question

In light of what has been said so far, now let's consider the reasons God raised to accuse the Israelites for breaking his Sabbaths, which can be found in Isaiah 58:13-14 (ESV):

13 “If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on my holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight
and the holy day of the Lord honorable;
if you honor it, not going your own ways,
or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly;
14 then you shall take delight in the Lord,
and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth;
I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father,
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”​

To me, this sounds as if the Israelites were not living lives of self-denial, they were not taking up their own crosses, they were not living lives led by the Spirit and very clearly they were not producing the fruit of the Spirit. Instead, it is evident that they were after their own desires, they were pursuing their own pleasure, they were not in tune with God's will at all.

Question: in light of the points raised by God in Isaiah 58:13-14, if someone takes up their cross daily, denies themselves, dies to the flesh and lives a life led by the Spirit, isn't such a person, by definition, essentially keeping the Sabbath holy every single day? Or in other words, isn't such a person in a full-time spiritual rest?
 
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Note: this is a long question that I came up with after an eureka moment in which I connected a few dots, so please bear with me

About self-denial and the taking up of one's cross

One of the core principles that Jesus taught during his ministry was the denial of self in favor of God's will. And he certainly showed us how by way of example, as even the night before his imminent crucifixion, when the temptation to abandon ship had to be almost unbearable, he said:

[...] “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” [Luke 22:42 ESV]​

And his spoken teaching to the disciples was no different:

23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. 25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? [Luke 9:23-25 ESV]​

God has straightforwardly made His will known through His law (Psalms 40:8) and God's law commands to keep the 7th day holy, so it is God's will to do that. God could have commanded to keep every day holy, but He did not, so it is not His will to do that instead doing what He has commanded. A day that is holy is a day that it is set apart, and in order for a day to be set apart, there needs to be another day that it is set apart from, so to treat every day the same is to treat none of them as holy. If we did on every day what God wants us to do on the Sabbath, then we would do no work, but God also wants us to work.

This same principle of self-denial and taking up of one's cross is reinforced and expanded upon by Paul in his letter to the Galatians, in which he corrected their views regarding the Law:

19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. [Galatians 2:19-21 ESV]​

And the most enlightening expansion of the self-denial principle in my opinion is found in chapter 5. Here Paul teaches us what the denial of the self actually means in concrete terms: we are to die to the flesh and its desires, and instead live, walk and be led by the Spirit, so that we can manifest its fruit:

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

[Galatians 5:13-23 ESV]​

To interpret Galatians 2:19 and 5:18 as referring to God's law would mean that Paul was speaking about denying himself and rejecting God's will when he should be interpreted as denying himself in order to do God's will, so those verses aren't referring to God's law. In Galatians 2:19, we do not need to die to God's laws for how to live for Him in order to be free to live for Him, but rather we would need to die to a law that was hindering us from living for God in order to be free to live for Him, namely the law of sin. Likewise, in Galatians 5:16-18, Paul spoke about the desires of the flesh as causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which is how he described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 7. It wouldn't make sense to interpret Galatians 5:18 as referring to God's law as if the Spirit were opposed to the Father, especially when the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey His law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's nature that are in accordance with it.

Back to the Sabbath and the question
In light of what has been said so far, now let's consider the reasons God raised to accuse the Israelites for breaking his Sabbaths, which can be found in Isaiah 58:13-14 (ESV):

13 “If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on my holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight
and the holy day of the Lord honorable;
if you honor it, not going your own ways,
or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly;
14 then you shall take delight in the Lord,
and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth;
I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father,
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”​

To me, this sounds as if the Israelites were not living lives of self-denial, they were not taking up their own crosses, they were not living lives led by the Spirit and very clearly they were not producing the fruit of the Spirit. Instead, it is evident that they were after their own desires, they were pursuing their own pleasure, they were not in tune with God's will at all.

Question: in light of the points raised by God in Isaiah 58:13-14, if someone takes up their cross daily, denies themselves, dies to the flesh and lives a life led by the Spirit, isn't such a person, by definition, essentially keeping the Sabbath holy every single day? Or in other words, isn't such a person in a full-time spiritual rest?

Part of daily dying to our flesh in order to do God's will is keeping the 7th day holy, which is what the Spirit leads us to do. There are more ways to do what is righteous or sinful that what God's law specifically prescribes or prohibits, but it is spiritual in that it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples, and which are aspects of God's nature. For example, God's righteous laws teach us how to testify about His righteousness and allow us to abstract a spiritual principle of righteousness that can guide us to take actions that are examples of that principle in accordance with God's law both in situations that are specifically prescribed by it and those that are not. So correctly understanding a spiritual principle that God's law was given to teach us will never lead us away from following those laws that are examples of that principle. Someone would be missing the point if they thought that they correctly understood the spiritual principle of love, so they no longer needed to physically obey God's commands to love Him and our neighbor, and the same goes for someone who thinks that they've understood the spiritual principle of God's rest, so they no longer need to keep the 7th day holy. Rather, full-time spiritual rest involves keeping the 7th day holy.

In Hebrews 4:6, they did not enter into God's rest because of their disobedience, in 4:9, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, and in 4:11, we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so using entering into God's rest to justify disobeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy is the opposite of what was being said.
 
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Note: this is a long question that I came up with after an eureka moment in which I connected a few dots, so please bear with me

About self-denial and the taking up of one's cross

One of the core principles that Jesus taught during his ministry was the denial of self in favor of God's will. And he certainly showed us how by way of example, as even the night before his imminent crucifixion, when the temptation to abandon ship had to be almost unbearable, he said:

[...] “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” [Luke 22:42 ESV]​

And his spoken teaching to the disciples was no different:

23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. 25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? [Luke 9:23-25 ESV]​

This same principle of self-denial and taking up of one's cross is reinforced and expanded upon by Paul in his letter to the Galatians, in which he corrected their views regarding the Law:

19 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. [Galatians 2:19-21 ESV]​

And the most enlightening expansion of the self-denial principle in my opinion is found in chapter 5. Here Paul teaches us what the denial of the self actually means in concrete terms: we are to die to the flesh and its desires, and instead live, walk and be led by the Spirit, so that we can manifest its fruit:

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

[Galatians 5:13-23 ESV]​

Back to the Sabbath and the question

In light of what has been said so far, now let's consider the reasons God raised to accuse the Israelites for breaking his Sabbaths, which can be found in Isaiah 58:13-14 (ESV):

13 “If you turn back your foot from the Sabbath,
from doing your pleasure on my holy day,
and call the Sabbath a delight
and the holy day of the Lord honorable;
if you honor it, not going your own ways,
or seeking your own pleasure, or talking idly;
14 then you shall take delight in the Lord,
and I will make you ride on the heights of the earth;
I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father,
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”​

To me, this sounds as if the Israelites were not living lives of self-denial, they were not taking up their own crosses, they were not living lives led by the Spirit and very clearly they were not producing the fruit of the Spirit. Instead, it is evident that they were after their own desires, they were pursuing their own pleasure, they were not in tune with God's will at all.

Question: in light of the points raised by God in Isaiah 58:13-14, if someone takes up their cross daily, denies themselves, dies to the flesh and lives a life led by the Spirit, isn't such a person, by definition, essentially keeping the Sabbath holy every single day? Or in other words, isn't such a person in a full-time spiritual rest?

The Sabbath commandment is not "live like the devil six days and then be holy on the 7th day of the week". We can agree on that.

To keep the day Holy - we must already be Holy - so then the people of God have the mind of Christ which says - "it is no longer I who live but Christ that lives in me" Gal 2:20 every day of the week, not just on the 7th day.

So that means I can mow my lawn as a born-again dedicated Christian in thought -- but it does not mean I can start up a lawnmower in the middle of church or even right next to the church on Sabbath and when questioned say "yes but I was thinking good thoughts at the time". As much as it is a godly thing to have sanctified thoughts while mowing the lawn - that is not keeping the Sabbath holy.
 
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So that means I can mow my lawn as a born-again dedicated Christian in thought -- but it does not mean I can start up a lawnmower in the middle of church or even right next to the church on Sabbath and when questioned say "yes but I was thinking good thoughts at the time". As much as it is a godly thing to have sanctified thoughts while mowing the lawn - that is not keeping the Sabbath holy.

But that argument works for any day of the week when a church service is held, not just Saturday. What makes lawnmowing wrong in the middle of a church service is not the day of the week, but the fact that by lawnmowing you are perturbing the service, and thus having a negative impact on people. If I play music very very loud next to a church, making it for them impossible to have a normal service, that's equally wrong if I do it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. The argument you made works on any day of the week, not only on Saturdays.
 
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But that argument works for any day of the week when a church service is held, not just Saturday.

Agreed.

What makes lawn mowing wrong in the middle of a church service is not the day of the week, but the fact that by lawn mowing you are perturbing the service, and thus having a negative impact on people.

Agreed. The church service is "set apart" and is not for "common use", not for yelling at a tv screen over a sports play, not for playing scrabble in the middle of the service etc. It is set apart for worship and we should do nothing that would hinder us from having worship , or hinder others from it.

God has sanctified the Sabbath day, and made it holy... set apart for Holy use.
 
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Yes, following Christ fulfills all of the Law; even the parts of the Law that deal with resting on the Sabbath. If Christ has fulfilled one part, He has fulfilled all parts. Thus, we no more have to rest on Saturdays than we have to kill animals to atone for our sins, avoid wearing garments of mixed materials, or physically separate women who are going through their monthly trials.
 
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Agreed. The church service is "set apart" and is not for "common use", not for yelling at a tv screen over a sports play, not for playing scrabble in the middle of the service etc. It is set apart for worship and we should do nothing that would hinder us from having worship , or hinder others from it.

God has sanctified the Sabbath day, and made it holy... set apart for Holy use.

But then you are conceding the point that the specific day of the week is not the issue. And moreover, regarding the point you are making about worship, someone who lives as I described in the OP (walking in the Spirit) is in full-time worship all the time, no just on Saturday. This point is made very clear by Paul in Ephesians 5:15-21 (ESV):

15 Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Someone who is filled with the Spirit lives in full-time worship, all the time, every single day, not only on Saturday. That's why you could say that they are pretty much "keeping the Sabbath holy" every single day. They are keeping their entire life holy, not just Saturdays.
 
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Question: in light of the points raised by God in Isaiah 58:13-14, if someone takes up their cross daily, denies themselves, dies to the flesh and lives a life led by the Spirit, isn't such a person, by definition, essentially keeping the Sabbath holy every single day? Or in other words, isn't such a person in a full-time spiritual rest?

YES.
Such a person has been Reconciled to God.
Is a Believer in Christ.
Ia a Born Again Believer.
Is fulfilling the Scripture,
Eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
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Yes, following Christ fulfills all of the Law; even the parts of the Law that deal with resting on the Sabbath. If Christ has fulfilled one part, He has fulfilled all parts. Thus, we no more have to rest on Saturdays than we have to kill animals to atone for our sins, avoid wearing garments of mixed materials, or physically separate women who are going through their monthly trials.

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it, so fulfilling the law should not be interpreted as meaning essentially the same thing as abolishing it. Rather, "to fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.
 
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Yes, following Christ fulfills all of the Law; even the parts of the Law that deal with resting on the Sabbath. If Christ has fulfilled one part, He has fulfilled all parts.

Which includes the "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 part and the "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 part.

Thus, we no more have to rest on Saturdays

That logic would also argue "thus we no longer have to love God with all of our heart and refrain from taking God's name in vain".

It does not work.

than we have to kill animals to atone for our sins,

It is not true that if we are still obligated to honor parents Eph 6:1-2 and to not take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 -- then we have to kill animals to be forgiven of sin.

Moral law is not deleted as soon as one person does not take God's name in vain.

Heb 10:4-12 says that all liturgy requiring animal sacrifice and offerings ended at the cross. Animal sacrifice ceremonies ended
 
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Which includes the "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 part and the "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 part.

That logic would also argue "thus we no longer have to love God with all of our heart and refrain from taking God's name in vain".

It does not work.

It is not true that if we are still obligated to honor parents Eph 6:1-2 and to not take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 -- then we have to kill animals to be forgiven of sin.

Moral law is not deleted as soon as one person does not take God's name in vain.

Heb 10:4-12 says that all liturgy requiring animal sacrifice and offerings ended at the cross. Animal sacrifice ceremonies ended

The beauty of SDA theology is that in order to make the Law "work" they neatly cast aside all but ten commandments that God gave to His people, Israel, in the Old Testament and then hammer the fourth one to death as if engaging in nineteenth-century religious practices on Saturdays somehow makes them extra special sinners.
 
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The beauty of SDA theology is that in order to make the Law "work" they neatly cast aside all but ten commandments that God gave to His people, Israel, in the Old Testament and then hammer the fourth one to death as if engaging in nineteenth-century religious practices on Saturdays somehow makes them extra special sinners.
As I understand the thinking, it's that the Ten commandments represent God's moral law.

But it looks to me like there are other moral laws in the law, like don't muzzle an ox while it is threshing.

So I can't figure it out.
 
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As I understand the thinking, it's that the Ten commandments represent God's moral law.

But it looks to me like there are other moral laws in the law, like don't muzzle an ox while it is threshing.

So I can't figure it out.

There are loads of moral commandments in the OT. However, it is so much more convenient to stick to only ten and ignore the rest. That way they are free to engage in some really nasty immorality such as incest and inappropriate behavior with animals.
 
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