Did Jesus lust ???

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I see what your saying, but it's probably not so cut and dry.

Most likely we technicaly lusted if we resisted lust, but only God knows the mind, and I doubt he is extremly strict with this, he did after all make the opposite sex very desirable.
So you lust after your good looking sister and another’s mother? God has given a mindset to humans that was probably key to Jesus’ aim to keeping the Father in perspective to His children, while also keeping with not defiling the mind or bed.
 
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But wouldn't being fully God have prevented sinful reactions..? I would think that Jesus would have instinctively known what was sinful before even reaching that point, and to say otherwise would sort of be in line with denying his divinity, wouldn't it?

If he was fully human, he would have had no conscious control over his reactions to a nubile young thing. In any case, who says sexual attraction is sinful?
 
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If he was fully human he would have had no conscious control over his reactions to a nubile young thing. In any case, who says sexual attraction is sinful?
Fully human as to fall into the trap of procreation not of the spiritual sort does seem to be something He did perfect tho.
 
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If he was fully human, he would have had no conscious control over his reactions to a nubile young thing. In any case, who says sexual attraction is sinful?
And quite frankly, fear does the same thing, so how does one calculate what the reaction is from if one doesn’t even know one’s mind?
 
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If he was fully human, he would have had no conscious control over his reactions to a nubile young thing. In any case, who says sexual attraction is sinful?

Isn't it true that lust is sinful, but recognizing beauty is not? I know there have been times when I noticed a woman's pretty hair but wasn't lusting over her. I can also turn away when I see a woman in tight yoga pants.
 
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And quite frankly, fear does the same thing, so how does one calculate what the reaction is from if one doesn’t even know one’s mind?

I’m not sure I even understand the question.
 
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Isn't it true that lust is sinful, but recognizing beauty is not? I know there have been times when I noticed a woman's pretty hair but wasn't lusting over her. I can also turn away when I see a woman in tight yoga pants.

Treating somebody as an object is sinful, but being sexually attracted to them is not.
 
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I feel weird saying this because it's usually equated with something sexy but from a purely physiological standpoint, Jesus's part/member/er, probably would've been in that certain state from time to time - mornings, during growth and hormone surges as a young lad etc. It's just that it would not have been coupled at ALL with the insane itch to do something about it, either alone or with a woman. I also believe he'd have grown to understand what those physical changes meant to men, and then to everyone in general, and what a powerful motivator of good and bad sexuality can be. Then ultimately when he died, he felt the weight of every sin committed in every sphere of life, including during the challenges faced by us sexually in our fully mortal bodies and our (gradually conforming to Christ) minds.
 
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One among us insists that Jesus lusted and Paul lusted - what thinkest thou ???

Most modern translations refer to 'strong desire' in these cases.

Throughout the OT ad most of the NT the references to lust are describing a sinful condition.

I think some are trying to argue that lusting is in fact morally neutral.

Your comments appreciated.

What a contemptible subject to even imply about Lord Jesus who was totally without sin, as written.

Only someone who has DOUBT about God's written Word would even think of bringing something like that up!

1 Peter 2:21-22
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth:

KJV
 
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So you lust after your good looking sister and another’s mother? God has given a mindset to humans that was probably key to Jesus’ aim to keeping the Father in perspective to His children, while also keeping with not defiling the mind or bed.
So you lust after your good looking sister

Why in the world would you ask such a thing?
 
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I don't believe Jesus was tempted to sin, by that I mean desirous of doing evil. He was being tempted (or tried even) by the tempter himself (the devil)

James says,

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

The Spirit might of led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted but the tempter is not God but the devil

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

A time of temptation does not necessarily mean what we often mean by it, for example, "I am so tempted by ice cream" its a time of temptation one might go through with the tempter himself

James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (then the "bite")

Jesus loved and worshipped the Father the devil tries tempting him with the things of the world if he would simply fall down and worship him

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Just as we are told

1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was led by the Spirit "to be" tempted (by the devil) to do evil and was without sin

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Jesus did not live as one ruled (or controlled) by the lusts of sinful men but the will of God.

James 1:14 But every man is tempted,when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

James 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

He was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Would show that even lust itself did not conceive.

Wouldnt these be considered similar temptations ministers of God might go through also?

Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.


Things like the dumb crafty questions we see put forth to Christians everyday (even on CF)

Luke 20:23 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?
But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?

They are considered to be tempting him (not sincere)

Mark 12:15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy,
said unto them
, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.


Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him,
Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause
?


Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him,
and saying,
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured,
and hast not fainted
.


Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself,
lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds
.


James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried,
he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him
.


Would seem like there is more in that kind of temptation daily
 
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Because you had no reason to.

Now, can I get a real reason instead of the non answer you gave to my question?
Because if you can categorize lust to whom it is acceptable and to whom it is not you may be on to what Jesus learnt and taught.

But that’s all I’m going to say because of how you like to twist things and teach others to do the same.

I doubt he is extremly strict with this
good luck with that excuse.
 
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Because if you can categorize lust to whom it is acceptable and to whom it is not you may be on to what Jesus learnt and taught.

But that’s all I’m going to say because of how you like to twist things and teach others to do the same.

good luck with that excuse.

Seems like you are doing the twisting here.

Where did I once claim lust was acceptable? And you still didn't cover your comment on my lusting after my sister...how bizzare was that? So again, why did you say that, it didn't seem to me it was the least bit relevant to the post you replied to, but maybe you can enlighten me.
 
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I think this thread has served it's purpose...

Lust is a sin and Jesus was perfect.

If some translations render 'strong desire' as lust - this introduces confusion.

A vast weight of scripture uses the term lust to portray selfish coveting, usually but not always sexual.

To suggest lust can be somehow morally neutral is misinformed.

All human activity for those called of Him is to be motivated by God's selfless Love (Agape)

Lust is not a necessary component for procreation.
 
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No... tempted like all men, but no lust.

Jesus wasn't tempted.
satan tried and failed in this regard.

...here Jesus, can I offer you a tempting portion of greed? lust? pride? envy? sinful selfishness? hedonism? blasphemy? Don't you even want to try just a tiny sample? You might like it.

*rolls eyes*
 
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Strong's Concordance
: desire, passionate longing, lust
Original Word: ἐπιθυμία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: epithumia
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah)

Definition: desire, passionate longing, lust
Usage: desire, eagerness for, inordinate desire, lust.


The Lord Jesus never lusted. Jesus had only good desires.

1. desire is not sinful 2. Desire not kept in check may lead to passionate longing which is where the line starts, some passionate longing is good, as with the Lord Jesus in
Luke 22:15, while other can become sinful. 3 To covet is to desire what is not yours, which is sin. 4. When desires break God given boundaries you sin. Lust is sin. Lust is desiring evil. Lust is illicit desires. Lust goes beyond coveting.

Indeed the line between desire and lust is drawn in [James 1:13-15]

I don't see passages where "lust" is used positively, always negatively.
So it's very clear when "lust" differs from when "desire" is used.

[1Jo 2:16 NASB20] 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

The three main sources of temptation. 1. The world. 2. The flesh (our old nature) and 3 the Devil... they can all draw us to lust and sin.

[James 1:13-15] It's like a swimming pool. It has a 2-3 foot area which is safe for all. Then you get to the 4-6 foot area where you will cross the line if your not careful. Finally 7-9 foot and your in deep. We got to stay out of the deep end and be careful not to cross the line. It is a battle.


"It's usually the adjectives that make the difference. Scripture warns against "sinful" desires"

The Greek Geek: Desire - 'Epithumia' - Blogos.org


 
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My thoughts. A strange thread how it's put by the way.

I think the real question is could Jesus potentially have been tempted to as it's said to "lust'?

Even that can be misleading as I've seen some here even think being tempted is that one has somehow crossed some line into almost nearly having it be a difficult thing for them to rise above?

One thing we do know is that Matt 4:1 states that Jesus was led by the Spirit to be tempted. Being tempted isn't the same thing as an individual almost having a desire for it or wanting it. Being tempted in the context of Matt 4:1 simply means he was presented with it, that is by the devil. That is not sin that is of the one it's presented to. I think many saints have got under false condemnation from the devil for the say this thought came to my mind......and if I'm a good Christian why would such a thought even come? The devil has a right to present certain things. We can reject them immediately however as Jesus did. Jesus even said the devil he could find nothing in him. John 14:30

For one thing Jesus was consumed with the word of God we know IT WAS his continual mediation. John 2:47 states that even at 12 year of age Jesus knew more about the word of God then teachers in his day. I suspect things like Psalm 119 he delighted in.....every verse about what they what the word of God should mean to a person. So the question is was Jesus tempted with anything men could have been. The answer is YES and NO depending on what you mean? Being presented with temptation from the devil actually took place because Matt 4:1 says it was! You'd have to change the Bible to say it wasn't. Lust for worldly power was actually one of the devil's temptations. Was Jesus ACTUALLY and really tempted by it? NO. His heart was fixed trusting in the Lord. You can see this is the sign of a righteous man who is committed in Psalm 112. Fixed in that context means locked in, it's settled. So YES Jesus was tempted, BUT....NO he really was not.
 
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